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Strider77 wrote:I just read that article and don't see any reason for anyone to give a flying fuck. "Guess what guys?!?" Bethesda and Ubisoft are currently working on a Fallout 4 and Assassin's Creed 5 billion....

No shit, you think?

I don't get why the blacklist or why anyone would really think some sin was committed. That being said... being blacklisted by either, who cares... all you miss out on is regurgitated PR pamphlets.

Am I missing something or is that linked article over simplifying the situation? I don't even get why the article mentions the label SJW.
Well I think I jumped to conclusions myself, immediately thinking of the gamespot Kane & Lynch fiasco. Apparently this is the last article Kotaku published about Ubisoft before they were cut off, entitled, "Ubisoft Refused to Talk to Me about Women" by perennial favorite Nathan Grayson.
It was a simple enough question, I thought. "If you had been able to work with a playable woman character in Far Cry 4, what would you have done? It sounds like you were in the planning phases of it, at least." The response from the game's narrative director? Total silence.
Anyhow, "blacklist" here means, "no more free stuff." Seems to me Ubisoft is making the same kind of choice as a film studio who decides not to give an early screening of their upcoming movie to the critics. Or when Gordon Ramsay started his first restaurant and kicked out a food critic he knew was going to give them a panning no matter what.

Kotaku will have to buy their own copies and rely on the quality of their writing and expertise to bring the clicks instead of being the first review to drop. I'm sure they're up to that challenge!
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I missed all this Ubisoft controversy, seems silly. I mean if you are going to get bent out of the lack of a female playable character there are alot of others to be upset about then.

Kotaku is kinda dumb regardless though. I do go there on a daily basis I'll confess. There are so many garbage articles. Like I saw one in the past few days that was about.... Pokemon character silhouettes made out of carefully placed leaves. Then there is Mike Fahey who constantly spams his articles about his kids and the trials of raising two children with learning difficulties. If I was his kid when I got older I might have wished for him to keep somethings private in the family a bit more. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I'm completely insensitive but after the 100th time you get desensitized and it starts to come off kinda tacky. Then there is his typical WTF does this have to do with gaming (or related crap) in general....

I will give him credit on how he handles comments. He just talks shit back, no real high ground and will totally stoop to whatever level the commenter he's responding to did or try to upstage them. That I actually find refreshing.
Damn Tim, you know there are quite a few Americans out there who still lives in tents due to this shitty economy, and you're dropping loads on a single game which only last 20 min. Do you think it's fair? How much did you spend this time?
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Slightly NSFW: http://i.imgur.com/SrZrhbr.jpg

First the Nintendo shit and now DOAX3. Can't wait to pay import prices because games are either censored or don't get released over here because stuff like bikinis are now misogynistic. Thank you, you shitheads from Neogaf. Go suck more on Anitas titties.
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So stupid. There's already been 3 DOAX games and there was no major controversy so why should they stop now? I honestly thought Tecmo would have been the one company to just ignore all this and keep doing what they do.
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It's the 90s all over again, boyz.
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Seriously. "Bags of sand" Mai and "pumping gallons of jizz" Sam Sho/Metal Slug redux. Think of the children! Again. Image

What a victory for human rights though. I'm sure the latest gal to have her skull smashed in for getting raped by the wrong guy would be thrilled to bits.
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First they came for Derpy etc. Now the R.Mika ass slap.
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Teufel_in_Blau wrote:Slightly NSFW: http://i.imgur.com/SrZrhbr.jpg

First the Nintendo shit and now DOAX3. Can't wait to pay import prices because games are either censored or don't get released over here because stuff like bikinis are now misogynistic. Thank you, you shitheads from Neogaf. Go suck more on Anitas titties.
Completely absurd.

I don't know much about Neogaf because I don't ever go there, did they have some kind of SJW uprising or something?
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No! Not Dead or Alive Xtreem Volleyball! We... we... what exactly have we lost here?
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Skykid wrote:
Teufel_in_Blau wrote:Slightly NSFW: http://i.imgur.com/SrZrhbr.jpg

First the Nintendo shit and now DOAX3. Can't wait to pay import prices because games are either censored or don't get released over here because stuff like bikinis are now misogynistic. Thank you, you shitheads from Neogaf. Go suck more on Anitas titties.
Completely absurd.

I don't know much about Neogaf because I don't ever go there, did they have some kind of SJW uprising or something?
They ban you if you express any pro GG opnions amongst other stuff and the sites essentially become a hugbox.
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Mischief Maker wrote:No! Not Dead or Alive Xtreem Volleyball! We... we... what exactly have we lost here?
Yeah, my reaction to this is kind of mixed.

On one hand, it shows that this whole "movement" is more of an issue then I thought.

On the other hand, this sort of shit has been around since the 90's. Not like this is the first game not to get localized due to "controversial" content (even though it's the first in this series).

Not like it's a great loss either. DOAX is basically softcore porn, you can get the full experience by watching it on Youtube. Still absurd as Skykid said though.
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Mischief Maker wrote:No! Not Dead or Alive Xtreem Volleyball! We... we... what exactly have we lost here?
Creative liberty.
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AntiFritz wrote:
Skykid wrote:
Teufel_in_Blau wrote:Slightly NSFW: http://i.imgur.com/SrZrhbr.jpg

First the Nintendo shit and now DOAX3. Can't wait to pay import prices because games are either censored or don't get released over here because stuff like bikinis are now misogynistic. Thank you, you shitheads from Neogaf. Go suck more on Anitas titties.
Completely absurd.

I don't know much about Neogaf because I don't ever go there, did they have some kind of SJW uprising or something?
They ban you if you express any pro GG opnions amongst other stuff and the sites essentially become a hugbox.
That sounds shit. Why would anyone go there?
Mischief Maker wrote:No! Not Dead or Alive Xtreem Volleyball! We... we... what exactly have we lost here?
Freedom.

It might be trash, but I want to be able to exercise my right to involve or not to involve myself in said trash, the same way I exercise my right to being able to ogle tits and ass while simultaneously exercising a right to respect my god given biology and listen to my cock and balls when they tell me its time for lunch.

I don't want a bunch of dickless neo hippies censoring what I can and can't see because it might affect their tragic sensibilities. Get fucked. I was born in the 80s, I wasn't brought up on Twilight and MLP: Friendship is Magic.

Go hug a tree motherfuckers, the rest of us will carry on with real life.
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I go to GAF because it's a good catch-all for general gaming & industry news, but it's a pretty terrible site otherwise. It's like it gets exponentially worse every year.
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trap15 wrote: Creative liberty.
Skykid wrote: Freedom.
My thoughts exactly; I wasn't going to be playing Xtreme beach volleyball anyway, and I don't really care that much about being able to edit boob size in Xeno chronicles. What really irks me though is the fact that I'm not being given a choice in the matter. Even though I don't really want to play those games or use those features, I'm upset that I'm not allowed to even if I wanted to because some insecure idiots feel like they need to feel offended for others.
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Now why wouldn't you want to play Xenoblade.

Now there's an opinion I can vehemently disagree with.

I enjoyed Skykid's post though.
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I'm what you would call a feminist but for me the entire thing is about two things:

1. Admit the issues with patriarch structures.
2. Respect the fact that those structures exists in gaming as well and can be analyzed.

My main issue with anti-feminists is that they ignore that women are in fact subordinated, and then there's no point in trying to have a discussion. With that said I still enjoy playing Grand Theft Auto V, as it's one of my favorite games of all time.
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It's rather sad how feminism went from fighting for sexual freedom to advocating sexual repression.
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nissling wrote: My main issue with anti-feminists is that they ignore that women are in fact subordinated, and then there's no point in trying to have a discussion.
And my problem with third-wave feminism is that it's a fascist movement that doesn't attempt to identify legitimate problems within the existing patriarchal structures but instead invents ludicrous non-existent problems out of thin air and then tries to use them as grounds for argument.

What is actually happening here is the persecution of men through the stupidity of people. Notions of actual equality between the sexes don't seem to factor in.

It's such a load of fucking nonsense anyway it's barely worth debating and I'm not sure if I care to, but frankly speaking the western world's patriarchal oppression barely registers on a visible scale compared to genuine oppression of women occurring in countless other parts of the globe. These are just spoiled and impressively ignorant people, occasionally intelligent enough that they should know better, who are raging against a spectre because they have nothing else to do with their time and energy. The proof of this is all over youtube. It's so full of contradictions that if you splashed a bit of make-up on there it would start to look like an actual circus.

Worth keeping in mind: just because the internet gives someone a platform, it doesn't mean they're worth listening to, letalone subscribing to.

I consider this to just be a fad anyway, and it will die out in due course to be replaced by something else. A bit like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, it was fun for a while but it couldn't last forever.
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Skykid wrote:but frankly speaking the western world's patriarchal oppression barely registers on a visible scale compared to genuine oppression of women occurring in countless other parts of the globe.
Just throwing this out there, but if someone told my Mom that women were being oppressed by a patriarchy in the US, she'd likely laugh in their face and call them "bleeding heart idiots". Now what's going on in the middle east, on the other hand...
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So many women have suffered from the hands of the DOA Volleyball series.
Damn Tim, you know there are quite a few Americans out there who still lives in tents due to this shitty economy, and you're dropping loads on a single game which only last 20 min. Do you think it's fair? How much did you spend this time?
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Skykid wrote:It's such a load of fucking nonsense anyway it's barely worth debating and I'm not sure if I care to, but frankly speaking the western world's patriarchal oppression barely registers on a visible scale compared to genuine oppression of women occurring in countless other parts of the globe.
I doubt anyone would deny that there's a fair deal of hyperbole in the mix here, but I'd beware of taking that particular mindset too terribly far; it's the same excuse too many politicians use to cut social services to their most vulnerable citizens on a whim ("Hmph, please, some of you whiners even have refrigerators, you're not really poor"). Just because something is worse elsewhere doesn't automatically mean it doesn't still warrant some degree of attention and/or action on the home front.
I consider this to just be a fad anyway, and it will die out in due course to be replaced by something else. A bit like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, it was fun for a while but it couldn't last forever.
Hope you're ready when Michael Bay brings it back!

As far as the larger current-ish topic is concerned, I tend to roll my eyes at both those who believe that a bit of cartoon cleavage will corrupt the youth and those who believe that removal of even a small part of said cleavage under any circumstances makes the product totally worthless and/or "artistically compromised"; off to the side, I REALLY doubt that Tecmo gives a flying fig what any "SJW" thinks of them, and am far more inclined to guess that the previous DOAX games (particularly Paradise) just didn't sell well enough overseas to justify bringing this one over, especially with a portion of the cast disincluded thanks to that goofy we're-seriously-making-you-pay-us-to-vote thing they held in Japan. If a smaller, more vulnerable outfit like XSeed can get away with Senran Kagura in the West, Tecmo could have easily gotten away with DOAX3.
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BulletMagnet wrote:
Skykid wrote:It's such a load of fucking nonsense anyway it's barely worth debating and I'm not sure if I care to, but frankly speaking the western world's patriarchal oppression barely registers on a visible scale compared to genuine oppression of women occurring in countless other parts of the globe.
I doubt anyone would deny that there's a fair deal of hyperbole in the mix here, but I'd beware of taking that particular mindset too terribly far; it's the same excuse too many politicians use to cut social services to their most vulnerable citizens on a whim ("Hmph, please, some of you whiners even have refrigerators, you're not really poor"). Just because something is worse elsewhere doesn't automatically mean it doesn't still warrant some degree of attention and/or action on the home front.
A degree of action or attention as required, yes. But one massive, enormous, earth-shattering non-sequitor of a campaign that conversely creates inequality of the sexes and genuinely ruins the image of actual feminists, is not required.

I don't consider the ridiculous totalitarian demands of third wave feminism to be at all realistic or even well measured: this is just an off-cut of yet more insecure social rejects and fat unattractive people who have grown bored of cosplay conventions and are trying to find something else to do with their lives because they don't know how to score (to be disparaging and overarching, but not entirely incorrect).

Living in a country where I absolutely assure you the male population has the upper hand, comparatively, women in western countries have already won a triumphant victory for their sex.
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Play Asia are having some fun with it.

Much salt to be had. On the first page, of a NeoGAF thread about it...a mod already has "alternatives to Play Asia".

:lol:

If THIS offends you...what am I saying...of course SJWs would find this terribly offensive. They're children.


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BulletMagnet wrote:I REALLY doubt that Tecmo gives a flying fig what any "SJW" thinks of them, and am far more inclined to guess that the previous DOAX games (particularly Paradise) just didn't sell well enough overseas to justify bringing this one over, especially with a portion of the cast disincluded thanks to that goofy we're-seriously-making-you-pay-us-to-vote thing they held in Japan. If a smaller, more vulnerable outfit like XSeed can get away with Senran Kagura in the West, Tecmo could have easily gotten away with DOAX3.
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Besides, we have games of actual quality like the Witcher that have actual nudity by female characters who actually look anatomically normal.

That Huniepop game perplexes me. The concept makes perfect sense, but all the pictures of the girls are completely unappealing. They all have the same face and they all look like they have downs.
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Seriously, this is like one of those old collages of palette-swapped Mortal Kombat ninjas.
How is anyone getting turned on by these deformed freaks?
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I like annie-may gurlz as much as the next guy, but HuniePop isn't what I'd call well drawn, yeah.
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I REALLY doubt that Tecmo gives a flying fig what any "SJW" thinks of them, and am far more inclined to guess that the previous DOAX games (particularly Paradise) just didn't sell well enough overseas to justify bringing this one over
This was the 1st piece of news I encountered. If it's true, it would seem that it at least had a part in the decision making.

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Skykid wrote:But one massive, enormous, earth-shattering non-sequitor of a campaign that conversely creates inequality of the sexes and genuinely ruins the image of actual feminists, is not required...I don't consider the ridiculous totalitarian demands of third wave feminism to be at all realistic or even well measured
I don't follow this stuff as closely as you do, I'm sure, but yes, I do still occasionally happen upon presumptuous, megaphone'd demands that everyone must put forth an immediate, constant effort to elevate some super-specific societal niche that's "having its moment", and like most people am not inclined to respond with much more than a chuckle and a shake of the head; exactly which "movements" fall under this category is different for each individual observer, but I certainly won't deny that the self-important, howling outliers do exist.

That said, allow me to direct your attention to another comic by the same bunch I linked earlier; at risk of sounding hyperbolic (or overly topical) myself, I tend to wonder if "taking decisive action, unsavory sexist elements be damned" against the social elements one deems "unworthy" of serious consideration is about as "effective" as the calls to "bomb country xyz back to the stone age, collateral damage be damned" when a handful of terrorists are found to be from there. To put it another way, do you think Anita would have ever come within spitting distance of the U.N. if the response to her videos hadn't gone much beyond "eh, I don't really agree because...", any more than ISIS and the like would keep gaining members if the entire Western hemisphere didn't go totally ape and start blowing villages off the face of the earth anytime a lunatic from a certain part of the world (as opposed to the home-grown crazies shooting up malls, they don't count) decides to provoke a reaction?

Again, I wouldn't dream of directly comparing "SJW's" and terrorists, but I'm tempted to assert that insisting that either of these tiny, largely-spurned minorities is an existential threat!, and furthermore acting as if you believe what you say, grant both of them far more legitimacy than they deserve and only exacerbate both their longevity and their influence. If you truly want to see them shrivel, take a deep breath and, via a measured, confident degree of response (as opposed to the panicked, flailing, spittle-laced, and frankly emasculating displays that have become the norm), treat them like the errant blips on the radar that they are.
This was the 1st piece of news I encountered. If it's true, it would seem that it at least had a part in the decision making.
It's impossible to know whether or not Tecmo was making a genuine statement there, but offhand I'm inclined to doubt it because 1) In gaming, by most any reasonable measure you'd care to apply, the overall trend of late, despite the ongoing "SJW" assault on everything, has been the release and localization of more "politically incorrect" content than we could have hoped for even a few years ago, not less (the aforementioned Senran Kagura standing as one of the more notorious examples), and 2) Again, I can't read Tecmo's minds, but when your fans are cheesed off at a decision you've made it's a lot easier for PR to insist "Completely nothing-to-do-with-us outside forces are keeping this game out of your hands, please direct your complaints elsewhere" as opposed to "Not enough of you have been buying this, where were all of you a few years ago?". Just a guess on my part, but as I said earlier I really doubt that Tecmo, of all outfits, pays all that much attention to Who Not To Offend.
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You know, NeoGAF (and a lot of other SJWs) are really upset about that Play Asia thing. It's nuts.
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I searched for that thread at Neogaf.... holy shit. Was it all just coinsidence that they all congregate there or was there a process of them over taking it?
Damn Tim, you know there are quite a few Americans out there who still lives in tents due to this shitty economy, and you're dropping loads on a single game which only last 20 min. Do you think it's fair? How much did you spend this time?
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