Fudoh's ode to old display technology

[Ed Oscuro]

hey guys. I don't post ever post here really but I have a question. I'm interested in getting a ps4 and I'm wondering if its possible to play it on my bvm d24e1wj. I'm really unknowledgable about audio/video stuff. I don't have an hd tv but I have 4 pvms and 1 bvm. If it is possible, how does the experience compare to a modern hd tv? what resolution does it play in?

The BVM-D24 doesn't actually support 1080p, so you're stuck with interlacing. Of course, most HDTVs will also have problems with motion due to blur, but for modern games I simply wouldn't bother with the BVM. In every scene you'll be losing resolution due to the interlacing, and it's also a fairly small screen by modern standards. With a good flat panel (or even a sub-$200 1080p PC monitor) you'll only lose detail due to blur in fast panning scenes.

Would it be possible to make a CRT with replaceable phosphor coating, supposing I had a few million bucks?

Please don't ask silly questions you know the answer to.

[FinalBaton]

Brought home the NEC XM37 Plus today Been playing all day and had such an awesome time!

[bobrocks95]

Brought home the NEC XM37 Plus today Been playing all day and had such an awesome time!

You mean craned home because holy shit it's actually 37" right?

[Xyga]

Brought home the NEC XM37 Plus today Been playing all day and had such an awesome time!

You mean craned home because holy shit it's actually 37" right?

Please pics asap ! (with banana for scale)

[BazookaBen]

Just looked at the manual for that NEC, and I don't know if you have a gaming PC but you could hit some pretty high resolutions with that monitor.

[FinalBaton]

Brought home the NEC XM37 Plus today Been playing all day and had such an awesome time!

You mean craned home because holy shit it's actually 37" right?

haha it's a bitch to move. It's actually the same weight as my Sony KV-36FV300, so I knew what to expect!

But once home it wasn't to bad : I live on the first flat right by the street and I had brought out, on the porch, a TV stand with wheels (made for a Toshiba 35" crt model. I swear it looks like it's made for the NEC). So from our van to the porch we had a 20 feet distance, carrying the TV. Once on the stand I rolled it inside.

[FinalBaton]

Just looked at the manual for that NEC, and I don't know if you have a gaming PC but you could hit some pretty high resolutions with that monitor.

Yeah it scans up to SXGA in progressive!

I tested that resolution with my psp going through the XRGB-3
But not yet with a PC game that has a native res of SXGA

[FinalBaton]

Please pics asap ! (with banana for scale)

Will do asap! And lol a banana? ok will do this for you

[BazookaBen]

Yeah it scans up to SXGA in progressive!

Actually, the highest resolution I saw in the list in the manual was 1600x1200 @ 75hz, so it may go even higher at 60hz. No telling how fine the shadow mask is on the tube, though, so you may not fully resolve the higher resolutions.

[FinalBaton]

Yeah it scans up to SXGA in progressive!

Actually, the highest resolution I saw in the list in the manual was 1600x1200 @ 75hz, so it may go even higher at 60hz. No telling how fine the shadow mask is on the tube, though, so you may not fully resolve the higher resolutions.

Mine stops at MODE9 : VESA 1280X1024 @ 60Hz (check the info under the grid)

The MODE9 : MAC, MODE10 and MODE11(the one you're refering to) are for the XP37 Plus only, unfortunately. But hey tacoguy has one

[BazookaBen]

Ah ok, still not bad. Though you'd probably want to run 1280x960 or you'd get some funky aspect ratio in a lot of games.

[FinalBaton]

Ah ok, still not bad. Though you'd probably want to run 1280x960 or you'd get some funky aspect ratio in a lot of games.

Yes that's right

Well I don't plan on playing PC on it(I don't play PC at all) but I will try games at that res just to see the result, that should be interesting.
I also want to try some 4:3 Anime Blu-rays at 720 progressive, wich the monitor will handle at that very resolution.

[MKL]

You mean craned home because holy shit it's actually 37" right?

haha it's a bitch to move. It's actually the same weight as my Sony KV-36FV300, so I knew what to expect!

Weight aside, the tube in the Sony is bigger as it's 38" with a 36" viewable screen (marketed in the US as 36"). The Nec one is 37" (marketed as such in Japan) with a 35" viewable screen.

[werk91]

Let us know how you like it once it is up and running.

I have not yet got that Diamondtron Iiyama but my housemate turned up with a Viewsonic Graphic Series G70fmb CRT monitor from his work yesterday evening and oh the glorious colours Only tried it with the GBS-8200 scaler and a PS1 game for about half an hour but it looked (and sounded thanks to internal 3W speakers that are better than the majority of ones inside modern monitors/TVs) absolutely perfect! I completely understand all the CRT hype and will be looking into making the space for it in my room. Shame that Viewsonic was only used for MS-Dos applications The 17" size (16" viewable) seems adequate for retro stuff so I might not get the 19" Iiyama Diamondtron as I'll end up being made fun of even more for collecting ancient technology in my small house Here is a video of someone using a similar model G70f with an emulator :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RbC7_Sm0DE

Just one question I have..Is it supposed to have scanlines if I play at a certain resolution or is that just CRT TV and PVM, BVM screens ?

[bobrocks95]

Just one question I have..Is it supposed to have scanlines if I play at a certain resolution or is that just CRT TV and PVM, BVM screens ?

It shouldn't since I would assume it's 480p+. I was able to force a game into 240p 120Hz on my Trinitron monitor once and it gave nice chunky scanlines, though it's a hack at best. and I think it did something weird with scaling. This of course only applies to PC games you can change the refresh rate on, maybe emulators too if they support 120Hz.

[Xyga]

And lol a banana?

It's an old meme; a woman attempting to sell a TV, she couldn't tell the size and didn't have a ruler, so she used a banana on the picture (true story)
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/banana-for-scale
The 'show your tate setup' thread should have more bananas.

[KatKya]

hey guys. I don't post ever post here really but I have a question. I'm interested in getting a ps4 and I'm wondering if its possible to play it on my bvm d24e1wj. I'm really unknowledgable about audio/video stuff. I don't have an hd tv but I have 4 pvms and 1 bvm. If it is possible, how does the experience compare to a modern hd tv? what resolution does it play in?

To hook up the PS4, you'll need an HD Fury adapter, and maybe a newer one that has audio out if your sound system doesn't support optical audio.

For resolution, you'll want to pick 720p for 60fps games, 1080i for 30fps games. It should look better than most modern TV's, outside of OLED.

Alternatively, assuming it has an SDI option card installed and you'd like to save your RGB/Component inputs from something else, an HDMI to SDI converter would also be an option.

[BazookaBen]

Alternatively, assuming it has an SDI option card installed and you'd like to save your RGB/Component inputs from something else, an HDMI to SDI converter would also be an option.

I'd be worried about lag with those.

[KatKya]

Alternatively, assuming it has an SDI option card installed and you'd like to save your RGB/Component inputs from something else, an HDMI to SDI converter would also be an option.

I'd be worried about lag with those.

It's a digital to digital conversion, so while that's always something you have to keep in mind, I can't see it coming into play in this situation.

[peterwright1234]

Thanks for the help guys. These converters are pretty pricey. I guess I need the hdfury 3 which costs 250$. It seems like I could get a 1080p tv for that price but right now I have no idea what to do. I don't want to put down 250$ and end up with a crappy tv that cant compete with the quality of the bvm. If I could get a good one and play in 1080p that'd be pretty cool. Anymore Opinions on the hdtv vs bvm battle?

EDIT: was told that the cheaper hdfury models will work.

[peterwright1234]

Is it easy to center the image on my bvm? Apparently the hdfury 2 works but I will need to center the image manually on the monitor.

[BazookaBen]

Is it easy to center the image on my bvm? Apparently the hdfury 2 works but I will need to center the image manually on the monitor.

You can do that easily and cheaply with a used Extron RGB.

I'd be worried about lag with those.

It's a digital to digital conversion, so while that's always something you have to keep in mind, I can't see it coming into play in this situation.

I think DVI and SDI signals are totally different though. DVI signals are split on to multiple lines whereas SDI is one line. My guess is that conversion is hard to do without lag. I've never used myself so we'd have to hear from somebody who has.

[nissling]

DVI isn't a signal, it's a connector. It can either transfer analog YPbPr and RGBHV (same as VGA) or digital YCbCr and RGB (equal to HDMI with some limitations).

[BazookaBen]

DVI isn't a signal, it's a connector. It can either transfer analog YPbPr and RGBHV (same as VGA) or digital YCbCr and RGB (equal to HDMI with some limitations).

Oh wow, I never realized that. It has so many pins I thought it was breaking up the RGB signal over more than 3 pins (which is apparently how Dual-link DVI works)

[alfshusen]

Fudoh: You mention when talking about the Pioneer PDP V402 that you previously owned a V401 and that the one thing the 402 heavily improved upon was the handling of 15khz sources.
What improvements are we talking about here?

[Fudoh]

it's been quite some time. As far as I can remember mainly differences in compatibility and the 480i handling wasn't as good.

[KatKya]

I don't suppose you have any experiences or at least thoughts on the Key Digital KD-CTCA3, would you?
I bought one a day or so ago and I'm just wondering what I should expect from it when it gets here. As far as I can tell, it's just doing transcoding and sync processing, so I figure I shouldn't have to worry about lag, right?
I'd mainly like to be able to use certain 6th/7th Gen stuff on my PC monitor as well as my Megaview, and would rather like to avoid having to modify an extremely expensive cable in order for one of them to work "natively".

[Fudoh]

haven't tried it, but it looks like a classic transcoder, so you should be all good. There's certainly no lag

[Huggers]

Hi guys. Would I be able to use something like an Extron such as this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Extron-wideba ... SwAKxWUwGm to split an RGB signal between multiple monitors and a capture device? Only just heard about these

[dusfriend]

Hello about the 3215hd and the early nineties European HD-MAC format. This television and also other similar ones from Thomson and Philips came with a golden scart plug that takes the analog 1250i HD-MAC signal in 50Hz.
Basically the scart connector has rgbhv signals. Would it be possible to use the HD Fury to convert a HDMi 50hz (euro) or 60hz (us) 1080i signal in a compatible analog HD-MAC signal ? Would 1080i work, or does it have to be identical 1250i ? Can you configure or alter the HD fury settings to generate the compatible signal ? Maybe someone has the signal specs (pulse width, front porch, back porch) and we can configure HD Fury accordingly, like you could do in Powerstrip on the PC. Your help is greatly appreciated. Regards, Christian