Another day, another killing (split from US shootings topic)

[MintyTheCat]

Minty is going to wish for an armed society soon enough.. Just give it a few more years (months?)

https://youtu.be/-VJyKRwQHHM

I usually do not post in the offtopic, but this I have to comment.

There are no IS flags in this. Google what an IS flag looks like. This was a mourning march for Imam Hussein by Shiite muslims, which are against what IS is doing, which is mostly radical Shia muslims. So yes, that kinda shit is distorting things so that people who are already afraid for whatever reason buy into shitty propaganda. Inform yourself next time before making assumptions about whole groups of people.

This is the last thing I am gonna post here.

Rancor has managed to display both proofing and splitting in one day:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_proof

Do us a favour: put the guns down and study more, Rancor.

[ptoing]

I wrote i would not post in here anymore, but here, have a look, shitloads of photos of this officially sanctioned congregation of people doing nothing violent whatsoever.

There were black flags with arabic writing on it, yes, but no IS ones. Find me a picture from that march where you can actually identify the white circle logo and I will conceed you are right. But again, this had nothing to do with IS. Marches like this happen every year, and they have happened before IS was in the media or even really a thing. And now right-wing fearmongers are using stuff like this to do exactly that, monger some fear at the people who are uninformed and/or whose worldview fits with their bullshit narrative.

[ptoing]

Also small mistake (or rather dumb-typo in earlierpost) Shiite and Shia is the same thing. ISIS is Sunni.

[Strider77]

Christian goth teen machine gun rampage

That should be Platinum's next game...

[Xyga]

New serious shit just happened in Paris: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34814203

EDIT: wonder if they had plans to take out Hollande who was ettending the France-Germany game, but couldn't get in besause of the tight security, and just decided to slaughter random people outside ?

No idea what's really going on but it definitely smells like terrorism rather than organized crime or psychonut.

[emphatic]

I've heard they've taken hostages at an Eagles Of Death Metal concert, is this true?

[Xyga]

I've heard they've taken hostages at an Eagles Of Death Metal concert, is this true?

Yes apparently the the people here are held hostage as we write.

EDIT: maybe over 60 victims already, so if they resume the killing at the concert hall it could be much more, I don't know exactly what's going on in there.
EDIT2: well the President called the armed forces out and closed the borders.
EDIT3: special forces assault on the concert hall in progress...

[evil_ash_xero]

I've had some disagreements, with forum members about immigrants. But I'm just going to say, expect more of this.

And expect it in other parts of Europe, with large immigrant populations (which is quite a few of them now).

It's gonna be like the U.S. shootings problem. You'll get used it, I guess.

[EmperorIng]

Isolated acts of criminal violence are not quite the same as terrorism, though the results can be tangibly and tragically similar.

France will probably start to question its support for the German Banks- I mean EU's open border policies. This is a probably a time when strenuous border control won't stop these problems, but couldn't hurt. What a mess.

[MintyTheCat]

I've had some disagreements, with forum members about immigrants. But I'm just going to say, expect more of this.

And expect it in other parts of Europe, with large immigrant populations (which is quite a few of them now).

It's gonna be like the U.S. shootings problem. You'll get used it, I guess.

This was not immigrants.

Why?

#1 organised attacks that occurred at multiple locations within close time frames.

#2 use of military weapons: rifles and automatic weapons - you cannot buy these at department stores in Europe and these do not sound like weekend gun enthusiasts to me.

#3 French President was present at the football match taking place which sends a very clear signal.

#4 a bomb of some magnitude was planted and exploded at at least one location.

#5 Friday the 13th: psychological impact of this as being a time of back luck similar to how the Chinese and Japanese avoid the number four - western derived peoples render the number 13 similarly.

#6 not long before Christmas season which is a sacred time of year for Christians and westerners alike - again, this sends a clear signal and has a psychological effects that ripples long after the event.

I think we are looking fair and square at a terrorist event here.

I have friend in Paris and I hope my friend is alright.

This is terrible news.

[pokemon123]

https://twitter.com/nicolaschapuis/stat ... 6329669634

seems like hostages are getting released now

[MintyTheCat]

https://twitter.com/nicolaschapuis/stat ... 6329669634

seems like hostages are getting released now

A couple of the shooters are dead. They will id the bodies then work out the backgrounds.

[evil_ash_xero]

I've had some disagreements, with forum members about immigrants. But I'm just going to say, expect more of this.

And expect it in other parts of Europe, with large immigrant populations (which is quite a few of them now).

It's gonna be like the U.S. shootings problem. You'll get used it, I guess.

This was not immigrants.

OK, it's Muslims. There.

You guys should really stop letting them in, by the hundreds of thousands. Keep that in mind, next time you vote.

[Xyga]

@evil_ash_xero: the attackers apparently were all young men, French from minorities, born here, we can speculate they might have been helped by people who recently came along with the migrants but we know nothing yet of course.

We'll see many more attacks throughout the world as long as that war lasts, obviously it's ISIS's and/or whoever else involved new strategy.

Anyway: the concert hall assault was a failure, dozens more victims apparently.

[evil_ash_xero]

Maybe someone should talk to Merkel about this, before she has any other bright ideas.

Xyga, don't you think the European countries, maybe, shouldn't let in Syrian refugees, while this is going on? If they're not there, they can't do much.

And I don't even think that's enough. I think your own citizens will still carry out stuff like this. I hope I'm wrong.

[MintyTheCat]

I've had some disagreements, with forum members about immigrants. But I'm just going to say, expect more of this.

And expect it in other parts of Europe, with large immigrant populations (which is quite a few of them now).

It's gonna be like the U.S. shootings problem. You'll get used it, I guess.

This was not immigrants.

OK, it's Muslims. There.

You guys should really stop letting them in, by the hundreds of thousands. Keep that in mind, next time you vote.

Shall we say radicals that may profess to be muslim as radicals may profess to be Catholic or otherwise or indeed have no faith at all.

Well, once up on a time the US citizens of today as they stand were indeed immigrants too and look how well you have turned out.

These are radicals and radicals will do radical things for their own twisted radical reasons, mate.

But what should be clear to you is that this is not a bunch of weekend warriors as it is too well executed for that.

[evil_ash_xero]

I really don't know what you should do. I don't have the answers on that one. You have a very large Muslim population. And yes, I do think they are a problem, and are going to continue to be a problem.

You can at least not let more in. That would be a start.

[Eaglet]

We'll see many more attacks throughout the world as long as there is radical islam

Changed.

Sounds unsincere writing this over a forum, of course, but my thoughts are with the french people. As if January wasn't enough...

[evil_ash_xero]

We'll see many more attacks throughout the world as long as there is radical islam

Changed.

Sounds unsincere writing this over a forum, of course, but my thoughts are with the french people. As if January wasn't enough...

They are way behind the rest of the world. They can join up with us, when they get up to date. It's like shit from 300 years ago invading the modern world. It's so frustrating to see.

I do wish them the best. But their "oh, the immigrants are fine. we'll just keep letting them in", isn't going to help. I know it comes from a good place..but wow, they are putting their trust in the wrong people.

[pokemon123]

saying100+ are dead in the concert hall

[evil_ash_xero]

WTF?!

I'm hearing 100 are dead, in the concert hall. Jesus fucking Christ.

Just imagine if these fucks get a dirty bomb. Frightening.

[MintyTheCat]

I really don't know what you should do. I don't have the answers on that one. You have a very large Muslim population. And yes, I do think they are a problem, and are going to continue to be a problem.

You can at least not let more in. That would be a start.

Well, look back a little at world history for a moment.

Ireland was the centre of conflict for decades. Both factions had large numbers of both Catholic and Protestant and indeed Atheists. We cannot simply silence them all and why would we?

Your approach is too 'cut the nose off in spite of the face' kind of thing.

For your information: the largest Muslim population in Europe resides in Germany and we have thus far since 1956 not had any Muslim related issues from German citizens who happen to be Muslim.

The world is not so black and white and easy to put into logical blocks and your ideas thus far are those of ignorance and naivety, evil_ash_xero.

[MintyTheCat]

We'll see many more attacks throughout the world as long as there is radical islam

Changed.

Sounds unsincere writing this over a forum, of course, but my thoughts are with the french people. As if January wasn't enough...

Yes, some of the posters are failing to grasp the issues here.

People of all races and faith have been killed for some futile reason. Now try some empathy and put yourselves in that position.

[evil_ash_xero]

I just think Europe is putting itself in needless dangers. You should be more concerned about your own citizens, than immigrants.

I'm not saying to kill them. Just don't let so many in.

Sweden has the highest (or second highest) rape numbers in the western world, due to these "peaceful immigrants". They're just not worth it, to let them in.

I don't see why Europe owes them anything. It's not "wrong" to not allow more in. It's just basic safety precautions.

A lot of the western nations are at war with Middle Eastern nations (I don't agree with this, but this is reality). So, I don't think it's a good idea to let people from this area in. They have a reason to have a grudge.

[evil_ash_xero]

We'll see many more attacks throughout the world as long as there is radical islam

Changed.

Sounds unsincere writing this over a forum, of course, but my thoughts are with the french people. As if January wasn't enough...

Yes, some of the posters are failing to grasp the issues here.

People of all races and faith have been killed for some futile reason. Now try some empathy and put yourselves in that position.

I'll tell you this. If there was some weird European nation, that was 300 years behind the rest of the world, and were hostile, and zealots....I wouldn't let them in either.

[MintyTheCat]

I do wish them the best. But their "oh, the immigrants are fine. we'll just keep letting them in"

Ironically the US ecomony doesn't take that approach. Look up the capital attributed to migrants workers in America. The policies you will find more often than not is that migrants are wholely necessary to keep the systems that most developed countries together.

My advice to you is to do some reading and to get an education.

[evil_ash_xero]

I do wish them the best. But their "oh, the immigrants are fine. we'll just keep letting them in"

Ironically the US ecomony doesn't take that approach. Look up the capital attributed to migrants workers in America. The policies you will find more often than not is that migrants are wholely necessary to keep the systems that most developed countries together.

My advice to you is to do some reading and to get an education.

Mexicans aren't hostile to our culture, and/or rape women constantly.

But I mean, that's all I really have to say on it. I do wish you guys the best of luck. I really hope things, somehow, work out, before more things like this happen. And I hope it can be done without kicking people out. I just don't think so.

[Xyga]

Yes about over 100 dead only in the concert hall. In total this will be almost as deadly as the Madrid Atocha train bombing in 2004.

About Islam and the young terrorists, knowing the situtation in France well, often those were not even practitioners when they were kids/teens, radicalization happened later with the help of more or less undercover extremists, not inside the mosques where they are easily kicked out and even reported, but outside, underground.
Discriminated and living in poverty for decades, products of an untold apartheid: don't underestimate the hate those teenagers and young men have for France itself.

You know it's like we've been breeding volunteers for ISIS, no it's not even guaranteed that ISIS or whoever sent any agents, maybe just the money and weapons through underground channels.
Maybe they don't even have direct connections with them other than the will.

[Wenchang]

Ironically the US ecomony doesn't take that approach. Look up the capital attributed to migrants workers in America. The policies you will find more often than not is that migrants are wholely necessary to keep the systems that most developed countries together.

My advice to you is to do some reading and to get an education.

You will find the contribution of migrants and immigrants in the U.S.(that's without making any criticisms of any of these many studies that try to assess the positive impact of immigrants on the economy) of any kind is a pretty small fraction of GDP. Of course you would expect that to be the case, since they're a fraction of the population. The idea that Western countries are reliant on immigrants is just laughable frankly. You can argue that the influence of immigrants to any particular country is positive, that's fine if you want to make that argument, but the idea systems would collapse without immigrants is extremely exaggerated(that's putting it nicely). I don't know how anyone could believe such a thing.

Until it has been announced who perpetrated the attacks I think it's best not to speculate anyway.

[MintyTheCat]

I do wish them the best. But their "oh, the immigrants are fine. we'll just keep letting them in"

Ironically the US ecomony doesn't take that approach. Look up the capital attributed to migrants workers in America. The policies you will find more often than not is that migrants are wholely necessary to keep the systems that most developed countries together.

My advice to you is to do some reading and to get an education.

Mexicans aren't hostile to our culture, and/or rape women constantly.

But I mean, that's all I really have to say on it. I do wish you guys the best of luck. I really hope things, somehow, work out, before more things like this happen. And I hope it can be done without kicking people out. I just don't think so.

Again, do some research, get an education and stop watching US propaganda news. We are not children to be told which way up things are - we work that out for ourselves.

Who said it was a mexican immigrant criteria? The US has a whole host of immigrants of every nationality that due to the changes in welfare that affects all of you - results in net gains for your economy. You won't find many businesses asking Parliament to throw immigrants out

In a very real sense immigration is used to bolster a nation's economy and to provide wealth to aging citizens usually. Merkel knows this very well and needs to secure votes and keep those pension points valid for when the oldsters cash in and around about now the baby-boomers are retiring - does that make much sense to you?

On the subject of western nations being at war in the Middle East: that would be your country - America.

For heaven's sake do some research into the Assad family in Syria.