GamerGate - and it's continuing aftermath.

[evil_ash_xero]

Rewound topic to where it was civil and bonus removal of stupid comment.

I must have missed all of this. Then again, I ALWAYS miss the drama.

It's sort of funny, because a few days ago, I was going to say how happy I was that the thread was so civil, and wasn't the mess, that a lot of sites have with this kind of discussion.

Oh well.



However, I didn't miss the drama, with the cancellation of the SXSW panels. I'm really disappointed to read about this. Once again, it's due to "threats of violence". Now, not for a second, am I going to say "there's no way ANYONE in GG did this" or that it's not third party trolls. But at this point, anti-GG tends to have lots of meetups, with no issues. EVERY freaking GG meetup, gets a bomb threat, and has to be cleared out. Even the SPJ one did.

They will say that GG call them, themselves. But why wouldn't GG call them, in on AGG too? I dunno. With Arthur "It ends tonight" Chu..I don't really trust them so much.

I get so tired of this. I am absolutely dying to see a debate of ideas, or something. Anything that is public, that will actually show what people that are pro-GG, are all about. The narrative is not representative, to what is going on, whatsoever.
It's like Bizarro World, or something.

I am on Twitter, and follow a lot of GGs..see the updates..follow a lot of "big" E Celeb types. And I have NEVER seen this "anti woman" thing, to any degree. The only place I have ever seen that, is on YT comments. And it is rare.
They are, mostly, anti-third wave feminist (for good reason). But not anti-feminist, completely, as Christina Hoff Sommers, is very popular with them.
Actually, most females, in GG, tend to be followed a lot, and are popular (Like shoeonhead). But you'd expect that, from any kind of "geeky" movement.

I am willing to listen, as I know people on the net can be horrible...but I think they're just lying. Some proof would be nice.
Then again, their idea of "harassment" is pretty...broad.

This was put up by Brianna Wu, as proof of harassment, by the Open Gaming Society. This got them banned, from Twitter, for a day.

I mean, it's a bit trolly...but really?

[BIL]

"There are no bad tactics, only bad targets." - Philosopher, author and fitness expert Bob Chipman.



I hope Bob's dealing with his diabetes ok. I know the risk of that is what compelled me to drop the soda and pick up the weights! That shit make you go blind and your willy drop off.

[evil_ash_xero]

Bob is a very entertaining character. He's actually kind of representative of that whole crew's mindset.


And I'll be damned, the SXSW thing is back on. KIND OF. It looks like the whole thing is going to be about online harassment, and there's a shit ton of speakers.

I don't know what to think. Buzzfeed made a big fuss, and pulled out of this, when SXSW cancelled the panels. Very unexpected.
It's good to see this back on...but it seems to be pretty lopsided now.

This stuff is very tiresome.

http://www.sxsw.com/news/2015/sxsw-anno ... ent-summit

[BryanM]

Remember that time George Bush II was elected president because his brother stopped black people from voting, and the entire media kept reminding us about it for four years since it was such a disgrace?

I'd say "America should have put a bullet in its head out of shame", but that's technically what the Bush II presidency was so it all evens out. Justice was found that day.

[evil_ash_xero]

Say what?

You lost me.

[Squire Grooktook]

There was nothing to lose, Bryan is just posting off-topic because he's restated some variation of "who cares" too many times now.

I don't think people on tumblr are going to destroy the gaming industry (anymore then it's already been destroyed, by much more fiendish and insidious issues. I'd be more worried about mobile games then SJW's or anything like that), but like Bil and Skykid have pointed out, some of the nonsense being spouted is worth a laugh, at least.

[Strider77]

Why are SJWs such debbie downers in general..... or angry with EVERYTHING?

[Sly Cherry Chunks]

some variation of "who cares" too many times now.

Deflection:- The only tactic SJWs have left, apart from bullying Steven Universe fans into committing suicide.

[system11]

Why are SJWs such debbie downers in general..... or angry with EVERYTHING?

It works exactly like religion.

[louisg]

Wow, that's some sick stuff. It's sad that nobody wants to take responsibility for the loonies on their respective sides who threaten people. They egg them on then claim they've got nothing to do with it. It makes me embarrassed and saddened that anybody who claims to fight for equal rights would behave like that. And by acting like that, they drag all these various causes-- which typically are causes that they have zero personal stake in-- through the mud.

For a while I wondered if I was becoming more conservative that I was always at odds with people who described themselves as feminists and such even though I'm a huge believer in equality and think there is a gross amount of inequality in our society. It turns out that they're just fucking crazy and every bit as destructive as any other immature wannabe-politician on the net, and now I feel better about it.

[Mischief Maker]

Welp, looks like the movie rights to Zoe Quinn's story have been optioned and Scarlett Johansson is interested in playing the role.

“Gaming and internet message boards used to be niche interests, mostly for young men. In the past few years, however, they’ve gone mainstream. Millions of people — including women and other marginalized people — have taken an interest in the platforms, image boards, and discussion forums that once belonged by default to a much smaller population. Most gamers give zero fu*ks about this. Like the rest of us, they’re just here to play games. But a vocal minority are clinging onto the brand of Cheetos-and-Mountain-Dew exclusionary identity ‘hardcore gamer,’ muttering ‘fu*kin casuals’ under their breath.”

emphasis added by me, shmup fans!

Let this be a lesson to all jilted boyfriends: airing her dirty laundry in public is not the way to get even. Just walk away.

[system11]

I don't understand is it indie social justice, or porno, or both?

[MathU]

Just incredible. And people really still believe these special snowflakes are in such need of protection? Let's recap their connections now: ties to a huge swath of the media, ties to to the United Nations, and now ties to the Hollywood movie industry. It's just insane how far this has gone now--how those intractable, unbelievably unprofessional so-called journalists couldn't just admit they fucked up already and put an end this charade.

I can't even imagine how they would try to dramatize this besides another hysterical parade like that Law & Order episode. If Valkenburg tries to use this to spread more lies about how she's an innocent angel and Gjoni is an evil misogynist, then I sincerely hope he sues their asses off for defamation of character.

These people just don't seem to understand that the more they push their ridiculous narrative the harder game enthusiasts are going to push back. If this production ever goes through it's guaranteed to cause a giant new surge of GamerGate activity if nothing else. News stories that nobody else really reads over how gamers are misogynists are one thing; an incredibly sloppy U.N. report that nobody can take seriously is another; but a whole theatrical movie release exclaiming what nasty people game enthusiasts are? You better believe that's gonna piss a lot of people off.

[Strider77]

Mother fucking casuals....

[Opus131]

Pro, all the way. How is this even a question?

[evil_ash_xero]

You guys heard about the Zoe Quinn movie? I doubt it will get made, but it is a "thing".

That's gonna be one boring movie.

[Mischief Maker]

You guys heard about the Zoe Quinn movie?

Yup!

[Strider77]

Oh I hope it gets made.... I truly do. It'll be the best comedy to have come out in years.

[evil_ash_xero]

Zoe should be flattered at who "might" play her.

You really couldn't ask for much more than that.

In case anyone doesn't know, it's Scarlett Johansson.

[Mischief Maker]

Ahem!

[Mischief Maker]

Meanwhile The Adventures of Gyno-Star continues to prove false the notion that feminists don't have a sense of humor:

Spoiler

[StoofooEsq]

Following months of scattered news, mentions of it on Twitter, and people bringing it up simply to stir a pot (that nonsense with the Prison School dub, for one), I'm lax to comment on anything related to GamerGate. I've had more than enough of my fill of it from all sides, but I'll make an exception regarding this bit.

These people just don't seem to understand that the more they push their ridiculous narrative the harder game enthusiasts are going to push back. If this production ever goes through it's guaranteed to cause a giant new surge of GamerGate activity if nothing else. News stories that nobody else really reads over how gamers are misogynists are one thing; an incredibly sloppy U.N. report that nobody can take seriously is another; but a whole theatrical movie release exclaiming what nasty people game enthusiasts are? You better believe that's gonna piss a lot of people off.

It's absurd that this has escalated to the extent of a feature film being considered, that anyone actually thinks a movie about this is worth producing. Why? There's no one being "brave" here. What's the movie going to be, Scarlett Johansson reading Twitter for an hour and 30 minutes, with the occasional sobbing montage?

And that's not even getting into the sort of fallout from this. Who actually wants to see more GamerGate talk as a result, from people inside and outside of it? It really takes a special kind of delusion for anyone looking to drag this out as much as possible.

[Mischief Maker]

There's an angle you may not have considered:

Videogames are a major competitor to the film industry. People would rather stay home and play videogames than sit in a sticky theater and watch a movie that looks like one. If you can't (or are unwilling to) compete on quality, take a page from Edison and do everything you can to vilify the competition.

[evil_ash_xero]

Meanwhile The Adventures of Gyno-Star continues to prove false the notion that feminists don't have a sense of humor:

The "slacktivist" in that is wearing Vivian James colors, and has the same hair color. I wonder if that was on purpose?

[BulletMagnet]

I'm gonna be a jerk and swat the hornets' nest by leaving this here.

[Mischief Maker]

I'm gonna be a jerk and swat the hornets' nest by leaving this here.

This is exactly why I've been saying social justice warriors are a red herring.

But to be honest, THIS issue goes beyond game criticism and is and indictment on journalism as a whole. Investigative journalism is a dead past time, it's now all about being nice and Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V'ing those press releases so you don't antagonize anyone and lose your cush spot in the White House press corps.

[Sly Cherry Chunks]

I agree that it can be considered 'good journalism' but getting cold-shouldered by publishers would be part of the game, one that Kotaku isn't very good at. This also sends another encouraging message: that Kotaku and it's audience have no value.

[MathU]

If you're going to proclaim yourself to be "proudly a tabloid", then don't be surprised when you get treated like one.

[Durandal]

It does somewhat amaze me that even after large amounts of people both in and outside the gaming industry who had some beef in the past with Kotaku and are finally letting it all out on social media after Kotaku tries to play the victim for being blacklisted by the meanie corporations, that people who still work at Kotaku feel like they have some kind of responsibility to publish every bit or rumor and hearsay about videogames without considering the (ethical) implications for doing so.
Where do these people find the motivation to keep working despite being made clearly obvious by everyone on social media that their site is no better than a tabloid?

[Strider77]

Bethesda for reporting that Fallout 4 was in active development, and by Ubisoft for reporting that Assassin's Creed: Syndicate was in development.

I just read that article and don't see any reason for anyone to give a flying fuck. "Guess what guys?!?" Bethesda and Ubisoft are currently working on a Fallout 4 and Assassin's Creed 5 billion....

No shit, you think?

I don't get why the blacklist or why anyone would really think some sin was committed. That being said... being blacklisted by either, who cares... all you miss out on is regurgitated PR pamphlets.

Am I missing something or is that linked article over simplifying the situation? I don't even get why the article mentions the label SJW.