HDFury questions and Feedback please

[SNK-NEO-GEO]

Hello,
I am looking to play PS4/xbone/wiiu on a Sony FW900. I was looking at the HDFury devices and it seems that I need an HDFury2 converter.. Anyone used one? What is your impression? Input lag? Picture quality? Any other device better than the HDFury? Thank you in advance for the feedback.

[Fudoh]

Quality's 1:1. Zero lag. Any HDFury unit will be ok for you.

You get the same performance from $30 converters on ebay though.

[SNK-NEO-GEO]

@Fudoh.. Thank you for the quick reply.. What should I be looking for on eBay? Could you link me to a recommended $30 one? Thank You!

[Fudoh]

anything you can find. All the chinese ones include a HDCP killer.

[SNK-NEO-GEO]

How is this one?
http://m.ebay.com/itm/400846936675

anything you can find. All the chinese ones include a HDCP killer.

[BazookaBen]

I have the HD Fury 1 and it gives a gorgeous picture on my PC CRT's. Couldn't tell a difference playing Wipeout HD on my HDFury + CRT vs component out on a 480i CRT.

I personally wish people wouldn't support the cheap chinese knockoffs. We need to support the HD Fury guys so they can eventually develop a 400 or 500mhz unit that can replace the RAMDAC's in video cards once they stop supporting RGBHV.

[SNK-NEO-GEO]

@BazookaBen.....thanks for the info..

I have the HD Fury 1 and it gives a gorgeous picture on my PC CRT's. Couldn't tell a difference playing Wipeout HD on my HDFury + CRT vs component out on a 480i CRT.

I personally wish people wouldn't support the cheap chinese knockoffs. We need to support the HD Fury guys so they can eventually develop a 400 or 500mhz unit that can replace the RAMDAC's in video cards once they stop supporting RGBHV.

[BazookaBen]

Yeah, just to be clear about my post above, I meant I couldn't tell a difference in input lag. Picture quality was much better on the PC CRT, of course.

[tacoguy64]

I bought a cheap model hdmi to vga adapter and it's been doing great with the XRGB mini. Though I havent hooked up any of those systems to my CRT yet.

[Hoagtech]

i used to hook up my Xbox 360 to my projector through a vga cable. I'm not sure if it was oem or just component through vga interface but it looked great on my Epson.

I'm jealous of that monitor your playing on. I bet it looks really good.

[SNK-NEO-GEO]

Doesn't the RGB mini add input lag if going to the CRT? Which systems are you using it right now?

@Hoagtech - PC SF4, MK, KOF13 looks real good.. I am looking forward to plunging in the Wii U since the Nintendo games are cartoony like, it will look super on the monitor.. I have Yoshi Epic Yearn ready:).. just keep checking your local craigslist until one pops up:)

I bought a cheap model hdmi to vga adapter and it's been doing great with the XRGB mini. Though I havent hooked up any of those systems to my CRT yet.

[Hoagtech]

Doesn't the RGB mini add input lag if going to the CRT? Which systems are you using it right now?

@Hoagtech - PC SF4, MK, KOF13 looks real good.. I am looking forward to plunging in the Wii U since the Nintendo games are cartoony like, it will look super on the monitor.. I have Yoshi Epic Yearn ready:).. just keep checking your local craigslist until one pops up:)

I bought a cheap model hdmi to vga adapter and it's been doing great with the XRGB mini. Though I havent hooked up any of those systems to my CRT yet.

Well I can't comment on the MINI adding noticable input lag yet because I use a CSY2100 (not the black box clone) on my SONY WEGA CRT and I haven't had a chance to test the input lag on my faster Sony KDL 65"W950B.

I tried hooking up the MINI to the CRT but my WEGA treats 1080 and 720p as 1080i, and I wasn't able to get a good picture. It wouldn't be a problem with your high res monitor. It has its advantages. I would use (The Mini) for legacy content like missed RPG's on classic consoles. One of my favorite games to use with my MINI and my crappy Panasonic (cant wait another six days..), is Earthbound 3 for GBA (formerly know as Mother 3) played through my gamecube GBA player. I like it because the Framemeister can blow up the border and adjust the viewing window to fullscreen with no borders (edge to edge) and after your done adjusting your pixels do not have slanty lines in them, they look perfectly scaled and rectangular.

I text myself settings for each console and have tried saving profiles but it seems to pick certain settings irregardless of your saved profile. But back to your setup I use a K-World "TV VGA BOX" Hdmi to vga adapter from my projector days because it costed a bit unlike its other products it had no lag on my Epson (WUXGA) (9 years ago)

[SNK-NEO-GEO]

@Fudoh... thank you for the advice.. I pickup one of the recommended device and it works very well... I am enjoying the new Wii U Yoshi game:)

[BazookaBen]

@Fudoh... thank you for the advice.. I pickup one of the recommended device and it works very well... I am enjoying the new Wii U Yoshi game:)

You sure you're getting a good picture? Unless your converter has RGB colorspace conversion, then you're either getting crushed blacks or washed out picture, depending on what you set your monitor's brightness to.

I say this because the Wii U only outputs RGB limited (16-235) over HDMI. CRT monitors always require RGB full (0-255). As far as I know, only the later model HD Fury's have a colorspace conversion option. For my Wii U I ran component out to a component>RGB transcoder and got way better picture.

[SNK-NEO-GEO]

@BazookaBen.. I think that I am getting a "washed out picture" I had to lower the brightness really low.. The picture and game play looks great to me and better than the LCD monitor that I was using:) for $30 it does the job:)

Does the PS4 and Xbox one have the limited "16-235"??

@Fudoh... thank you for the advice.. I pickup one of the recommended device and it works very well... I am enjoying the new Wii U Yoshi game:)

You sure you're getting a good picture? Unless your converter has RGB colorspace conversion, then you're either getting crushed blacks or washed out picture, depending on what you set your monitor's brightness to.

I say this because the Wii U only outputs RGB limited (16-235) over HDMI. CRT monitors always require RGB full (0-255). As far as I know, only the later model HD Fury's have a colorspace conversion option. For my Wii U I ran component out to a component>RGB transcoder and got way better picture.

[nissling]

You can output RGB 16-235 with the PS4 at least to my knowledge.

[BazookaBen]

@BazookaBen.. I think that I am getting a "washed out picture" I had to lower the brightness really low.. The picture and game play looks great to me and better than the LCD monitor that I was using:) for $30 it does the job:)

"Does the job"? You have one of the best monitors in existence, and you're crushing your blacks. I would personally find that unacceptable. You may not notice in Yoshi's Wooly World, since it is a brightly colored game, but any game with any shadows or darker environments will be crushed.

But anyway, PS4 and XBO have user-selectable RGB colorspaces, so you can set them to full (0-255). The only proper solution for Wii U is to either use component out to a RGB transcoder, or get an HDFury with colorspace upscaling (I think HDFury 2 was the first one with that capability). Ultimately you will have better picture with component out, since it has the full colorspace, but you lose the ability to transmit surround sound over HDMI.

You can output RGB 16-235 with the PS4 at least to my knowledge.

He needs to select RGB 0-255. 16-235 (AKA limited) is mostly for TV's. Monitors always support full.

[nissling]

Yep, I know that 16-235 is used for TV and movies. But the question made me think he wanted 16-235, not that I can see the reason for that.

[tacoguy64]

@BazookaBen.. I think that I am getting a "washed out picture" I had to lower the brightness really low.. The picture and game play looks great to me and better than the LCD monitor that I was using:) for $30 it does the job:)

Does the PS4 and Xbox one have the limited "16-235"??

@Fudoh... thank you for the advice.. I pickup one of the recommended device and it works very well... I am enjoying the new Wii U Yoshi game:)

You sure you're getting a good picture? Unless your converter has RGB colorspace conversion, then you're either getting crushed blacks or washed out picture, depending on what you set your monitor's brightness to.

I say this because the Wii U only outputs RGB limited (16-235) over HDMI. CRT monitors always require RGB full (0-255). As far as I know, only the later model HD Fury's have a colorspace conversion option. For my Wii U I ran component out to a component>RGB transcoder and got way better picture.

I got a couple of things that can help with that.
The monitor itself is a bit slow to warm up. I give mine about 30 minutes before I start using it.
Next is you can go to the OSD menu on the monitor and I think its under colors and basic, select 6500k color. That should give you a nice image for gaming. And in the same menu, you can do a picture restoration. The option becomes available once the monitor has warmed up.

If you want to take things a little bit further, you can go on your PC and do a software calibration after you do all that. It doesn't take all that long and it leaves you with a better image than when you first started.

But for best results you will want a colorimeter, ttl to usb cable, pc and laptop *could be any combination of the two*, and some extra software to do a white point balance. It takes a bit longer to do and you need a room that’s really dark. But the results are great and beneficial to the monitors lifespan.

[SNK-NEO-GEO]

@tacoguy64 - thank you very much for the suggestions.. I will give that a try.. the person that sold me the monitors did also include the USB calibration device that you are referring to.. I have not use it.. I am the kind of guy that if it looks good enough I stop there:). I am almost done with Yoshi.. maybe once the new Zelda comes out I will get deep into getting the best picture possible.

@BazookaBen.. to set the record straight.. I have two "of the best monitors in existence":).. thank you for the feedback:)
"set them to full (0-255)" on the PS4 and Xbox one .. could you tell me how to set the 0-255????

thanks

[nissling]

For PS4, go to "video output settings" and click on "RGB Range". Select "Full".

[Fudoh]

You sure you're getting a good picture? Unless your converter has RGB colorspace conversion, then you're either getting crushed blacks or washed out picture, depending on what you set your monitor's brightness to.

when feeding a limited range HDMI signal into a D/A converter you usually get a washed out picture, but there's hardly any loss in that and it's fully correctable using the monitor's brightness and contrast controls. On a CRT one might argue that correcting it this way is even safer to get the range digitally stretched during the D/A conversion.

[SNK-NEO-GEO]

@nissling.. thank you for the PS4 settings..

@Fudoh... once again, thank you for then suggest device.. On the Wii U, I had to lower the brightness to about 5 and the contract to 82 but like I said, it looks great to me..

anyone - xbox one "Set the full (0-255"... how do I set that up?

thanks

[Hoagtech]

@tacoguy64 - thank you very much for the suggestions.. I will give that a try.. the person that sold me the monitors did also include the USB calibration device that you are referring to.. I have not use it.. I am the kind of guy that if it looks good enough I stop there:). I am almost done with Yoshi.. maybe once the new Zelda comes out I will get deep into getting the best picture possible.

@BazookaBen.. to set the record straight.. I have two "of the best monitors in existence":).. thank you for the feedback:)
"set them to full (0-255)" on the PS4 and Xbox one .. could you tell me how to set the 0-255????

thanks

Besides your issue, How was Yoshi? Was it as good as Yoshis Island on the SNES?

[BazookaBen]

when feeding a limited range HDMI signal into a D/A converter you usually get a washed out picture, but there's hardly any loss in that and it's fully correctable using the monitor's brightness and contrast controls. On a CRT one might argue that correcting it this way is even safer to get the range digitally stretched during the D/A conversion.

Hmmm, I was never able to get something acceptable (maybe I didn't have enough headroom in brightness controls), but what you're saying sounds right. Though I'm also wondering if 16-235 through a D/A converter would also output an incorrect gamma curve.

Since I also own a component>VGA converter I just used that straight away instead of HDMI. That should theoretically give better picture anyway, right? Isn't analog component always full-range?

[SNK-NEO-GEO]

@Hoagtech... the new Yoshi game is good to look at and they have some cool ideas but it does not hold a candle to the SNES Yoshi's Island. I just finished the game on classic mode and did not use any of the offered power ups before you begin a level, which feels like the SNES Yoshi's Island. It is a good game about 7.5/10. My thing with Nintendo is that all of their games do not have creativity and they really did not offer many new ideas,, those "new" ideas are mostly found on the NES/SNES era but hey we love Nintendo.

[tacoguy64]

@tacoguy64 - thank you very much for the suggestions.. I will give that a try.. the person that sold me the monitors did also include the USB calibration device that you are referring to.. I have not use it.. I am the kind of guy that if it looks good enough I stop there:). I am almost done with Yoshi.. maybe once the new Zelda comes out I will get deep into getting the best picture possible.

@BazookaBen.. to set the record straight.. I have two "of the best monitors in existence":).. thank you for the feedback:)
"set them to full (0-255)" on the PS4 and Xbox one .. could you tell me how to set the 0-255????

thanks

Doing all of the other steps aside from the most involved one should yield good enough results. But if you ever do decide to take it a step further then you can let me know. I am currently in the process of learning myself and can provide you with good assistance. There is a guide online and people that can answer your question.

And man, I can't wait for zelda either. This one looks like it will have a nice huge world to explore. Yoshis wolly world looks good too and I still don't have super mario maker!

[SNK-NEO-GEO]

@tacoguy64... thank you for offering assistance:).. and could you imagine playing the new Zelda on th32" BVM? that would be sick.. I do not have a 32 BVM but I image that it must be awesome. You should get Yoshi.. I had a good time, Mario Maker I do not know. That game has a $60 price tag and to me that is not a full game. I am more interested in the Zelda Maker one that this person is making...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbR6VX5jGDI

Edit - Mario Maker is great because of the community level maker.. I am having a great time.. Target has a buy two get one free game.. so mario maker is like $42 dollars:) Buy 3 and return the two that you do not want.

[Hoagtech]

@tacoguy64... thank you for offering assistance:).. and could you imagine playing the new Zelda on th32" BVM? that would be sick.. I do not have a 32 BVM but I image that it must be awesome. You should get Yoshi.. I had a good time, Mario Maker I do not know. That game has a $60 price tag and to me that is not a full game. I am more interested in the Zelda Maker one that this person is making...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIBX3bM5h1

Weird idk about that Zelda maker though. That 32" BVM would be sick if you got it with less than 8000 hours.

I just restarted Skyward Sword on my 36" Wega XBR widescreen Sony (it's a CRT). And all I did was hate on it before but I am blown away so far. I had to re buy a wii and comp cables because my copy looked terrible on my Wii U on my CRT.

I'm gonna buy Yoshi just because you had some fun cuz that's what games should be.

[BazookaBen]

SNK, what resolution are you running your Wii U at? As far as I know, just about every Nintendo game runs at native 720p, so you should be choosing that in the menu. 1080p will give you scaling artifacts.