Cave considers crowdfunding; Potential for ports/new games!!

[Muchi Muchi Spork]

The idea is it runs the arcade pcb with carts. There is no software cost, the software for the first 10 or so games is complete other than changing coins to free play (or not, just leave them as is). Anyway not going to copy paste myself.

The 20 people has to be off, but if it's not, then it's a kickstarter that took a day of work to put up. That's part of why it's a good idea, there's nothing to lose.

Also what exactly are we talking about right now? Are you saying every pcb shop doesn't want to carry this because the current prices of some of the used games are much, much higher than a mint cart kit would be.

[GSK]

If CAVE, Deciga or any one else involved with STGs is seriously thinking about crowdfunding they'd do well to avoid this thread.

[Muchi Muchi Spork]

Yeah cause you have all the answers. Enlighten us, genius.

[trap15]

The idea is it runs the arcade pcb with carts. There is no software cost, the software for the first 10 or so games is complete other than changing coins to free play (or not, just leave them as is). Anyway not going to copy paste myself.

That's not free or even easy to create. Try getting some super basic PCBs made, then come back and tell us this is feasible.

[Squire Grooktook]

Yeah I don't want to keep going at this, but even if we assumed (big if) that all you'd have to do is copy and paste some software files, you'd still need to physically build the hardware. The materials alone to create it would be far from free, let alone the engineering.

[Kaiser]

Yeah I don't want to keep going at this, but even if we assumed (big if) that all you'd have to do is copy and paste some software files, you'd still need to physically build the hardware. The materials alone to create it would be far from free, let alone the engineering.

I agree it's pointless to discuss this with Muchi Muchi Spork as he's pretty much delusional at this point, holding onto his dreams and beliefs that Cave would be able to do his ideas. I gotta say he's a video game patriot, being patriotic about a company who clearly would fall sooner or later. It's one thing to have an opinion but it's a completely different thing to keep shoving your opinion onto other people.

[Casey120]

An $800 console for just a hand full of selected retro 2D games costing $150-300, just imagine that stampede of customers .

[charlie chong]

Yeah cause you have all the answers. Enlighten us, genius.

this forum probably has the most brainwashed cave fanboys for a western forum and like one other person thinks your idea is good so yeah your idea is dumb

[WizardYuuka]

A shmup getting three million via crowdfunding is absurdly hilarious.

I dunno. I think Touhou could make it happen.

[Squire Grooktook]

Touhou has never been sold in the west and overwhelmingly pirated instead, it's hard to say how much interest it's fanbase has on actually spending money to support the games.

I swear, Zun should have sold the games online in the west long ago just to make a point about whether a title like that could sell. We'll never know now that the hype has long passed its apex.

[Illyrian]

I've cleared pretty much all the Touhou games but I'd not spent money on them.

There are all kinds of issues with them not limited to the lousy resolution settings, problems with different controllers not working properly even with X-padder etc.

Even if they did work properly the farty trumpets would ensure only die hard fans bought them.

[Squire Grooktook]

I hate the farty trumpets but I'd buy Mounain of Faith anytime, it's one of my go-to games for whenever I need some nice and complex rng dodging.

[shoryusatsu999]

Touhou has never been sold in the west and overwhelmingly pirated instead, it's hard to say how much interest it's fanbase has on actually spending money to support the games.

I swear, Zun should have sold the games online in the west long ago just to make a point about whether a title like that could sell. We'll never know now that the hype has long passed its apex.

Does the Playism release of DDC somehow not count as Touhou being sold in the west?

[Squire Grooktook]

Does the Playism release of DDC somehow not count as Touhou being sold in the west?

DDC was too little, too late, sadly. He should have made a move back in 2008 or something when Touhou was hip and trendy and every anime nerd on every forum was gushing about it (believe it or not, this was my experience, even on more mainstream places).


Also this is relevant to the game financing talk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR6E4_5PIrg

[Stilghar]

Also this is relevant to the game financing talk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR6E4_5PIrg

Thank you for putting things in perspective. It's true that we started from nothing, no brand loyalty, no previous fanbase... But still if thinking that a game can sell itself just by setting a KS page is delusional. This could only happen if your brand is massive to begin with, and even then nobody in their right mind would not put work on it. Even Shenmue 3 campaign had tons of work behind in the marketing area (E3 presentation, major coverage in sites, forums...).

Cave has brand recognition and fanbase but it's niche and way too small to achieve those numbers without a HUGE AMOUNT OF WORK in promotion. Also, as this video showed the cost of producing a game is always hugely underestimated by people who have never worked on one. Finally, after some years of failed crowdfunded games people have lost faith so even things that look good on paper are frowned upon by gamers that have been burned more than once.

So yeah, producing a game is never cheap or easy and games don't sell themselves. Everything needs work.

[dosu]

Hope the company releasing Mushihimesama to Steam next month release some DoDonPachi games too

[GSK]

Their CM made a comment about PCBs that backs up what IKD said a few years back:

Linus Hagman Re-release some rare PCB:s (Mushihimesama 1.5 Cave Matsuri for example) too!
2 · Yesterday at 2:02am

CAVE Interactive Co., Ltd.
CAVE Interactive Co., Ltd. Regretfully it's technically impossible. We can't even repair our PCBs because of lack of components, can't obtain the legacy low-power CPU.
2 · Yesterday at 2:13am

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