The Stahlfeder controversy (split from Mushi HS thread)

Neverland · Post by **Neverland** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:41 pm

true in your dark fantasy....

is impossible make a similar score..... in 4 days ! ( in entire human life pehraps )

perhaps not even in the insanity dvd "secret lover mushihime sama" we will not see a result therefore high... (we will watch a dvd and will know the real limit of original mode )

make a result similar you must make all perfect and leeching ALL STAGES and ALL BOSS for many many loops.... ok..please say is joke and save your face and your honor....

Ex-Goku · Post by **Ex-Goku** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:21 pm

Stahlfeder,
insert your score in world ranking table...

http://wig.cave.co.jp/ranking2/ranking.php?mode=0

... and take the first place.

Then explain to "..." and "YMN" how do you got it.

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:36 pm

Congratulations on your fake Stahlfeder!

Broke the WR in a week when YMN has played the game over a year and half? Without autofire hacks? The actual record WITHOUT autofire hack is
67.464.000 by KZK, according to AIVA and DOAONLINE (and I've not seen the latest Arcadia). There is NO WAY you can do a similar score in a week and without autohack. Next time check the world record before posting a fake score.

And what about the other scores?

freddiebamboo · Post by **freddiebamboo** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:59 pm

Stahlfeder wrote:My Highscore is true!!!!!!

Well, that clears that up then.....

I think a pic of the score might be needed here Stahlfeder.

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:07 pm

It's simply an impossible score, guys.

Ex_Mosquito · Post by **Ex_Mosquito** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:09 pm

Ermmm. I think a pic maybe in order.

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:24 pm

A pic is useless, that score is impossible with default settings. The japanese score is the limit of the game.

Neverland · Post by **Neverland** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:26 pm

only pic will arrive from

in italy people like Stahlfeder call comes "BALLONARO" (great looser man who says big lies) and is not a good name for one player

angrycoder · Post by **angrycoder** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:56 pm

is posting false high scores a bannable offence?

stratos · Post by **stratos** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:03 am

From where I come from he woul'd be called "pallista" :) that's means exactly the same thing of "ballonaro"... But the point is: what a person coul'd gain by posting a false score??? Money? Power?? Respect??? Friend, this isn't a prize game, take it easy :) Or at least comprobe youre score with decent proofs... Beside that, why so many Italian users in Mushihime threads? :) I woul'd be glad to compete here for great fun (not certainly for glory...) since I own the game (ps2 port) and love it, but now I'm trying to get a good score with Garegga (Icarus and Randorama are helping me so much in Garegga ST thread) and I play Galuda to take a "manic diversion"... practically I own Mushi but haven't yet played it decently... great game however :)

See you soon!

chtimi-CLA · Post by **chtimi-CLA** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:24 pm

angrycoder wrote:is posting false high scores a bannable offence?

i don't think it is yet, but it should be imo because it casts doubt on all the scores that are submitted without a pic, and even with a pic (you could always increase the number of lives or play in easy when the diffulty isn't on the pic or use save states or whatever)
where i'm from you're a miserable "tricqueux d'arleux", at the very least your scores should be removed from all the games you submitted in (unless you have proof, but as has been said this score is hardly even possible, not to mention within a week).

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:33 pm

Hi stratos, check PM

Chtimi, I totally agree with you. Even a pic can't 100% prove a score, only a video can. But if you know a player you can trust him, I think. In this case there are no doubts about the hoax, so... I don't know what to do, but it's sure that I don't trust Stahlfeder anymore.

BR1 · Post by **BR1** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:46 pm

I don't know if Stahlfeder should be banned.
If he isn't able to prove his score (and he just CAN NOT, since that score is IMPOSSIBLE) I suppose all his scores will be erased.

About the ban, well, i think it's irrelevant: in the future simply nobody will believe him. He just banned himself.

BR1 · Post by **BR1** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:05 pm

chtimi wrote: i don't think it is yet, but it should be imo because it casts doubt on all the scores that are submitted without a pic, and even with a pic (you could always increase the number of lives or play in easy when the diffulty isn't on the pic or use save states or whatever)

Chtimi I totally agree with you!

But we must say that in many games actually THERE IS a way to prove that the score is genuine.

You're a great DDP-DOJ player. You surely know that this game allows you to post a pic with the score AND the code for the arcade ranking.
That proves without any doubt that the player doesn't lie (if you change any of the default settings the code won't be given

).

Many shmups are MAME emulated: in this case we could just post the WolfMAME's Inp...

Easy, right?

I'm not saying that a 10M DDP score must be proved (in the end we're just having fun!

) but I remember somebody posted a 470M score.
Well, I think in that case we just cannot believe those scores without an Inp.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:18 pm

You should at least give him another chance to explain himself. Maybe he was drunk or on drugs when he posted this score.

zlk · Post by **zlk** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:29 pm

I can believe an all miss run on original. The scores of the top players in the world have been around 68 million for ages. For a player to score 200k more than the world record would be incredible. That player would not only have to know every trick for the game, he would have to invent some new technique no one knows about which seems unlikely.

Perhaps the guy scored 63m (which is believable) and got the score mixed up. That or YMN moved to Germany and decided to suddenly post scores on the board with a new name ...

BR1 · Post by **BR1** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:37 pm

Seven Force wrote:You should at least give him another chance to explain himself. Maybe he was drunk or on drugs when he posted this score.

Ha can be forgiven only if he says:
"Didn't you know that miss January, March, April, July, September and October in Playboy's '06 calendar promised a week of paradise to the Mushihime Sama's Original Mode World Champion?".

Ps. IF miss January, March, April, July, September and October in Playboy's '06 calendar REALLY promised a week of paradise to the Mushihime Sama's Original Mode World Champion please update my score:

99'999'999 (Trillions....).

chtimi-CLA · Post by **chtimi-CLA** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:43 pm

BR1 wrote:You surely know that this game allows you to post a pic with the score AND the code for the arcade ranking.
That proves without any doubt that the player doesn't lie (if you change any of the default settings the code won't be given ).

yeah, that's why i show the internet code on my DOJ score pics.
but overall i trust scores even without a pic. i hate it when someone does this, because PCB players can't post an INP. i hate to play on emulators, and i wouldn't like the INP to become a requirement.

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:46 pm

zlk wrote:The scores of the top players in the world have been around 68 million for ages. For a player to score 200k more than the world record would be incredible. That player would not only have to know every trick for the game, he would have to invent some new technique no one knows about which seems unlikely.

Due to this i bet that score is impossible

SAM · Post by **SAM** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:48 pm

My New score on Orginal Mode

Code: Select all

SAM -           0 - ALLCLEAR  - Default

NO MISS, NO BOMB, TIME OUT Every Bosses and have not kill a single bug!!!!

************************************

This this is just a joke and of course is not possible. Please don't take it seriously.

And don't erase my score.

************************************

Anyway, Stahlfeder could you give a breakdown of your score and explain where is those extra 200K come form?

I really think an explanation of how (or proof) you goting this score is needed, since you are claiming you make a new world record.

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:48 pm

SAM wrote:extra 200K

Actually he plays with default fire, so there's more than 200K...

BR1 · Post by **BR1** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:24 pm

LUNardei wrote:
SAM wrote:extra 200K
Actually he plays with default fire, so there's more than 200K...

As you told us tha actual WR without autofira hack is 67.464.000 by KZK.

Stahlferder's score is just IMPOSSIBLE.

MrMonkeyMan · Post by **MrMonkeyMan** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:55 pm

To quote LUNardei from another thread.

LUNardei wrote:

These seem to be the records as of December. What are the comments on these scores?

LUNardei · Post by **LUNardei** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:04 pm

I forgot I own that Arcadia

The last 3 scores (reversed J) are without auto-hack. Good improvement on the default record, but still another world confronted to Stahlfeder's one...

YMN is awesome: probably he has discovered another trick to get other ~200K points...

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:40 pm

I think you guys should give Stahlfeder some slack. I don't think his score is impossible. A lot of you are far too into the narrow/ignorant mindset of "if a Japanese player hasn't gotten the score, it's IMPOSSIBLE". A great example of this is from Ikaruga, where some of the individual chapter score WRs have been done by Westerners.

Anyway it doesn't make a whole lot of sense why he would make up this score when his other scores (Galuda, DDP DOJ) are very good, but not all that close to the Japanese records. He obviously has some skills, and perhaps he's just damn good at Mushi Original. You must concede this is at least a POSSIBILITY.

BR1 · Post by **BR1** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:21 pm

twe wrote:A lot of you are far too into the narrow/ignorant mindset of "if a Japanese player hasn't gotten the score, it's IMPOSSIBLE". A great example of this is from Ikaruga, where some of the individual chapter score WRs have been done by Westerners.

Westerners Ikaruga players could make those scores only because we have a good community made by a lot of good players.
But it's quite the ONLY case.
We can find hundreds of shmups where japanese records just destroy ours...
Why?
Simply because a lot of good japanese players spent a lot of time and knowledge on those games.
Do you really think that Mushihime Sama is as famous as Ikaruga and followed by the same number of western players? Come on...

Do you really think we must believe he discovered so much about Mushi (all by himself) to make that score without autofire hack in 4 days?!?
Yeah, right... In his dreams.

ps. Since I know personally somebody in the first 4 position in quite EVERY Cave shooter in this board, and I've chatted a couple of times with Xer Xian (a 34M Ikaruga player) I wouldn't exactly define myself an "ignorant" about western shooter players.

twe wrote:You must concede this is at least a POSSIBILITY.

Probably you're right.
Since we dont' know if that score is impossible we cannot BE SURE he lied.

But that score is such "Unbelievable" in too much ways that he MUST prove what he says.
This board is based on trust. I think we can't allow anybody to "brake" this trust so easily.

Post by **Ghegs** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:17 pm

The Mushi high-score thread was getting rather off-topic, so I split that thread as well. Continue discussing it here.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:32 pm

Love the first post.

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:48 pm

Hmmmm

i'm double-posting this entry but: Italian people (like me), could you avoid the typical Italian habit of posting (and flaming) in unrelated threads? It's a bit depressing to see that once you've started posting on this board, it's to flame about the fake scores and the usual, extremely boring and shallow discourse about how much you worship japanese players because they're of the mystical race of the ultraninjas and other insane bullshit Confused

Some more constructive and on-topics posts would be nice Confused