I'm currently building a spec for a PC i'm buying at the end of the year with some nice shares i'm going to be selling around Xmas.
I'm quite content with the general internals I've put together (cross referenced some friends who know what they are talking about). I will re-evaluate nearer the time in case things move on.
However, in terms of the input devices I want to perhaps splash the cash a bit to get some quality items. Your PC experience is only as good as your input devices afterall.
I came across the Corsair website and they seem to do some brutal looking mice and the keyboards look awesome.
The Corsair M65 - Black looks killer.
http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/vengeance- ... ouse-black
I also looked at the Corsair Strafe keyboard.
http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/landing/strafergb
So this is my dilemma. I want QUALITY. But I am not going to use the functionality for gaming purposes.
Would like to start a discussion on your own experiences using gaming products for everyday usage really. My son likes to PC game, so not everything will be lost on me and my video editing.
Thanks for your input.
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That mouse looks hideous, why can't there be PC gaming stuff that actually looks decent?
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Get a Cherry MX switch tester to determine what kind of keyboard you want to get. You're looking for a mechanical keyboard, not a "gaming" one. There's plenty of overlap, but gaming is just a marketing word. The three most common switch types are blues, browns, and reds and they all feel decidedly different. Since you're looking to splurge a bit on it you might as well do some research first. Mechanical keyboards across the board feel much better than the cheap membrane ones most use. As you can see the Corsair keyboard you linked offers the option of reds, browns, or Cherry MX's new silent switches which I'm guessing are just a red switch that makes less noise when it bottoms out.
For mice, DPI doesn't matter, I have mine at about a tenth of what it's capable of- all it is is sensitivity really. You do want a laser one though and wired is preferred; aside from that it depends on how you hold a mouse (in your palm or in your fingertips) and how many extra buttons you want on the side of it.
For mice, DPI doesn't matter, I have mine at about a tenth of what it's capable of- all it is is sensitivity really. You do want a laser one though and wired is preferred; aside from that it depends on how you hold a mouse (in your palm or in your fingertips) and how many extra buttons you want on the side of it.
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Does anyone know where you can test keyboards with red, blues and cherries on them?
All the outlets I go to have the keyboards inside boxes (except PC world but they don't carry many keyboards). I suppose PC world might have some with the kinds of switches I need to test.
All the outlets I go to have the keyboards inside boxes (except PC world but they don't carry many keyboards). I suppose PC world might have some with the kinds of switches I need to test.
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Don't laser sensors suffer from acceleration? I went back from laser to optical and love it. For example the Roccat Lua is a 30 buck mouse with perfect optical sensor and good switches.bobrocks95 wrote:You do want a laser one though
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Hadn't heard of that, maybe? Not something I've noticed but it seems plausible. Haven't used a decent optical mouse in so long that if the difference is there, I'd probably notice it by switching back. Anybody else who can comment on this?blizzz wrote:Don't laser sensors suffer from acceleration? I went back from laser to optical and love it. For example the Roccat Lua is a 30 buck mouse with perfect optical sensor and good switches.bobrocks95 wrote:You do want a laser one though
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It's possible to write a lot about mice! If there's two things to say: Don't believe in hype numbers, and don't look at super expensive products. Even at the top end, you should never have to pay more than $60 for a mouse. You can probably get a mouse as good as anybody's for $30 (I link one near the end of the post).
This used to be the state-of-the-art when it came to understanding mouse performance, but some of the things in there are misleading or not true. However, there are many nuggets of information in there. I particularly like the quote from Fatality dissing his own brand!
This recent interview with some mouse engineers (!) is a bit long-winded but has good information.
- Laser mice are still optical
- But optical mice are better on some types of pads. If you have a hard surface, laser might possibly be as good or better.
- "Acceleration" is the term often used by gamers to describe mice that lose accuracy when you move them faster. It's not really an accurate term, though.
- High DPI isn't always good - mice sensors and their image processing are only able to resolve to a certain DPI, but many manufacturers don't respect this
- The default Windows mouse sensitivity setting shouldn't be messed with
Naturally, when looking at modern community mouse reviews, you should still pay attention to comments like "this mouse has acceleration problems," but don't believe it religiously. Even things like "mouse angle snapping" were designed in on purpose, so don't automatically assume they are bad! Mainly it matters whether the mouse was properly designed, or whether it was designed around marketing. Of course, it's impossible to tell this from just looking at the packaging or even from reading reviews. You just have to test whether it is accurate when you move the mouse slowly and quickly, and whether it offers a mouse speed to your liking.
For example, I have a Razer Lachesis 5600 (whose left mouse button has been alternating between good clicks and bad for years, lol) that I used to replace an original 4000 DPI Lachesis. Community folks have identified the 5600 DPI as having a Philips Twin Eye sensor, and the Philips Twin Eye is identified as having issues, which I haven't seen at all. It is a decent mouse, although I'm no pro PC gamer.
I recently (early July) looked up some mouse reviews to find out what works for ambidextrous needs - and of those, which mice have buttons left and right - and here is what I came up with:
avior 7000
zowie fk2
logitech g502 proteus core (great sensor, 121 gram, right-handed, but warning, lots of sharp edges and looks goofy)
This is different from the trio of Logitech mice I'm interested in at the moment:
G300s (10M mouse click durability, $30 on Amazon, second place choice)
G100s (20M mouse click durability, 2013 date so slightly older, barebones design with no extra buttons however, $24 on Amazon, I wouldn't get this one but it might be right for somebody)
G303 Daedalus (gentle diamond shape, looks liftable from the sides but might need some sanding down of sharp sides, side buttons appear in convenient places, currently I'm leaning towards this one, $40 on Amazon)
I haven't used any of these personally so I can't comment on whether they really are good or not. The Avior and Zowie are examples of smaller brands, even smaller than Steelseries, which have their diehard fans, but it's hard to say whether their products are engineered to the same standards as a Logitech, or even whether they are better products - many people just distrust anything from a big brand. Razer seems okay, but I had trouble with their custom drivers - of course, the solution usually is not to install their software / drivers. Certainly I don't have to install anything special to use the Lachesis 5600. Quite likely, you can't go wrong with a Logitech. They have been putting out great peripherals in recent years, and I really like their marketing around more reliable parts - I think it would be better to have more focus on reliability in marketing, and hopefully this will drag up the quality of parts and tamp down some of the trends towards building ridiculous flimsy or sharp-looking devices like the Proteus Core above.
I'm actually interested in the $30 USD Logitech G300s. Its DPI is described as ranging from 250-2500 DPI, so Logitech isn't inflating the numbers here. This number certainly sounds worse than the 5600 DPI advertised by the Lachesis, but I don't use the highest sensitivity settings in the Lachesis - whenever I press that sensitivity button by accident, the mouse cursor is moving a crazy amount, and loses precision at very low speeds, which is what I need to have. With the Lachesis, I basically keep it at one setting all the time, regardless of whether I'm moving the cursor one pixel at a time (at 1920 horizontal res) or playing a fast FPS.
The Logitech also claims to have higher reliability mouse buttons. I don't know whether to give the 10M button click claim any special attention here, or how that stacks up to other mice...but I will say that I've had some reliability problems with every Razer product I have used, except for a mouse mat.
Another feature that's very important to me is having forward and back buttons in a convenient place, and having them be somewhat configurable in case they're not in the perfect place. With the Lachesis, I've gotten comfortable with a claw grip and clicking buttons on the left and right sides of the mouse to go forward and back in the browser, but many people will hate this. It's also a bad use of the mouse buttons, because I'm only using the top left and the bottom right buttons - the others aren't in a convenient place to easily click. A better mouse design will have buttons like these in a more convenient place, like on the top of the mouse (as the Logitech G300s seems to).
A feature that isn't very important to me is having a sniper button. On-mouse sensitivity selection buttons and profiles also sounded interesting at one time, but they aren't. I simply would rather buy a mouse that is accurate all the time at a given speed, and sensitive enough that I can move the mouse slowly and get precise movement. This is as reliant on the screen resolution and the quality of the software you're using, because a low-resolution screen will move from one pixel to another more quickly than a similar-size but higher resolution screen will, and poorly written or older software might move the cursor or view more than one pixel at a time, which is only ever useful if fine accuracy isn't important and you're using a very ancient mouse which isn't accurate enough for both fine and quick movements.
Another feature that seems completely wrong to me: Removeable weights. However, I'm a "claw" user, and I sometimes lift the mouse. The Lachesis 5600's design isn't like a sphere cut in half, where you can't get your fingers under the sides. Instead, the sides project over the bottom face, a bit like an overhanging cliff. This makes lifting a mouse easier. Some people would tell you the Logitech 5600 is a heavy or medium-weight mouse; I think it's around 110 grams. It feels very light to me, honestly, and I don't even lift. But lighter is better, so long as build quality doesn't suffer.
One thing which is interesting is having more buttons, but every person has to be the judge of how many buttons they need before they start interfering with gameplay. It's definitely possible to have too many buttons, and for a simple FPS gaming mouse, you can very easily have too many buttons IMO.
(late edit: G303 "Daedalous"?)
This used to be the state-of-the-art when it came to understanding mouse performance, but some of the things in there are misleading or not true. However, there are many nuggets of information in there. I particularly like the quote from Fatality dissing his own brand!
This recent interview with some mouse engineers (!) is a bit long-winded but has good information.
- Laser mice are still optical
- But optical mice are better on some types of pads. If you have a hard surface, laser might possibly be as good or better.
- "Acceleration" is the term often used by gamers to describe mice that lose accuracy when you move them faster. It's not really an accurate term, though.
- High DPI isn't always good - mice sensors and their image processing are only able to resolve to a certain DPI, but many manufacturers don't respect this
- The default Windows mouse sensitivity setting shouldn't be messed with
Naturally, when looking at modern community mouse reviews, you should still pay attention to comments like "this mouse has acceleration problems," but don't believe it religiously. Even things like "mouse angle snapping" were designed in on purpose, so don't automatically assume they are bad! Mainly it matters whether the mouse was properly designed, or whether it was designed around marketing. Of course, it's impossible to tell this from just looking at the packaging or even from reading reviews. You just have to test whether it is accurate when you move the mouse slowly and quickly, and whether it offers a mouse speed to your liking.
For example, I have a Razer Lachesis 5600 (whose left mouse button has been alternating between good clicks and bad for years, lol) that I used to replace an original 4000 DPI Lachesis. Community folks have identified the 5600 DPI as having a Philips Twin Eye sensor, and the Philips Twin Eye is identified as having issues, which I haven't seen at all. It is a decent mouse, although I'm no pro PC gamer.
I recently (early July) looked up some mouse reviews to find out what works for ambidextrous needs - and of those, which mice have buttons left and right - and here is what I came up with:
avior 7000
zowie fk2
logitech g502 proteus core (great sensor, 121 gram, right-handed, but warning, lots of sharp edges and looks goofy)
This is different from the trio of Logitech mice I'm interested in at the moment:
G300s (10M mouse click durability, $30 on Amazon, second place choice)
G100s (20M mouse click durability, 2013 date so slightly older, barebones design with no extra buttons however, $24 on Amazon, I wouldn't get this one but it might be right for somebody)
G303 Daedalus (gentle diamond shape, looks liftable from the sides but might need some sanding down of sharp sides, side buttons appear in convenient places, currently I'm leaning towards this one, $40 on Amazon)
I haven't used any of these personally so I can't comment on whether they really are good or not. The Avior and Zowie are examples of smaller brands, even smaller than Steelseries, which have their diehard fans, but it's hard to say whether their products are engineered to the same standards as a Logitech, or even whether they are better products - many people just distrust anything from a big brand. Razer seems okay, but I had trouble with their custom drivers - of course, the solution usually is not to install their software / drivers. Certainly I don't have to install anything special to use the Lachesis 5600. Quite likely, you can't go wrong with a Logitech. They have been putting out great peripherals in recent years, and I really like their marketing around more reliable parts - I think it would be better to have more focus on reliability in marketing, and hopefully this will drag up the quality of parts and tamp down some of the trends towards building ridiculous flimsy or sharp-looking devices like the Proteus Core above.
I'm actually interested in the $30 USD Logitech G300s. Its DPI is described as ranging from 250-2500 DPI, so Logitech isn't inflating the numbers here. This number certainly sounds worse than the 5600 DPI advertised by the Lachesis, but I don't use the highest sensitivity settings in the Lachesis - whenever I press that sensitivity button by accident, the mouse cursor is moving a crazy amount, and loses precision at very low speeds, which is what I need to have. With the Lachesis, I basically keep it at one setting all the time, regardless of whether I'm moving the cursor one pixel at a time (at 1920 horizontal res) or playing a fast FPS.
The Logitech also claims to have higher reliability mouse buttons. I don't know whether to give the 10M button click claim any special attention here, or how that stacks up to other mice...but I will say that I've had some reliability problems with every Razer product I have used, except for a mouse mat.
Another feature that's very important to me is having forward and back buttons in a convenient place, and having them be somewhat configurable in case they're not in the perfect place. With the Lachesis, I've gotten comfortable with a claw grip and clicking buttons on the left and right sides of the mouse to go forward and back in the browser, but many people will hate this. It's also a bad use of the mouse buttons, because I'm only using the top left and the bottom right buttons - the others aren't in a convenient place to easily click. A better mouse design will have buttons like these in a more convenient place, like on the top of the mouse (as the Logitech G300s seems to).
A feature that isn't very important to me is having a sniper button. On-mouse sensitivity selection buttons and profiles also sounded interesting at one time, but they aren't. I simply would rather buy a mouse that is accurate all the time at a given speed, and sensitive enough that I can move the mouse slowly and get precise movement. This is as reliant on the screen resolution and the quality of the software you're using, because a low-resolution screen will move from one pixel to another more quickly than a similar-size but higher resolution screen will, and poorly written or older software might move the cursor or view more than one pixel at a time, which is only ever useful if fine accuracy isn't important and you're using a very ancient mouse which isn't accurate enough for both fine and quick movements.
Another feature that seems completely wrong to me: Removeable weights. However, I'm a "claw" user, and I sometimes lift the mouse. The Lachesis 5600's design isn't like a sphere cut in half, where you can't get your fingers under the sides. Instead, the sides project over the bottom face, a bit like an overhanging cliff. This makes lifting a mouse easier. Some people would tell you the Logitech 5600 is a heavy or medium-weight mouse; I think it's around 110 grams. It feels very light to me, honestly, and I don't even lift. But lighter is better, so long as build quality doesn't suffer.
One thing which is interesting is having more buttons, but every person has to be the judge of how many buttons they need before they start interfering with gameplay. It's definitely possible to have too many buttons, and for a simple FPS gaming mouse, you can very easily have too many buttons IMO.
(late edit: G303 "Daedalous"?)
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Re: Gaming mice/keyboards - Overkill for a general user of a
I don't think you can go much wrong if you get a gaming mouse and a keyboard with mechanical switches.
Anything really expensive is overkill. Especially for mice as those has a tendency of breaking in all sort of weird ways even if you buy from well regarded manufacturers.
Anything really expensive is overkill. Especially for mice as those has a tendency of breaking in all sort of weird ways even if you buy from well regarded manufacturers.
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I went and made an order. Hopefully I made some right choices -
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00GYHPYEU/r ... 71_TE_item
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B010 ... ge_o02_s00
I cheaped out on the mouse because it got such good reviews. In the very unlikely event I don't like it I will upgrade the mouse to a corsair.
The keyboard was non negotiable. I just love everything about it.
I also purchased a Duronic monitor clamp for dual screen usage.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00GYHPYEU/r ... 71_TE_item
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B010 ... ge_o02_s00
I cheaped out on the mouse because it got such good reviews. In the very unlikely event I don't like it I will upgrade the mouse to a corsair.
The keyboard was non negotiable. I just love everything about it.
I also purchased a Duronic monitor clamp for dual screen usage.
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Re: Gaming mice/keyboards - Overkill for a general user of a
Hmm, interesting choices richie. I think those will probably be good choices.
Didn't see which exact switches they use in the keyboard - bringing up a search did reveal that Cherry and Corsair are introducing brand-new switches for a new version of the STRAFE coming in October. They will be silent, which is good, though other companies have also developed similar things. Personally I'm still in a bit of a holding pattern on getting a new keyboard - I figure if it physically works it's good enough for me.
Didn't see which exact switches they use in the keyboard - bringing up a search did reveal that Cherry and Corsair are introducing brand-new switches for a new version of the STRAFE coming in October. They will be silent, which is good, though other companies have also developed similar things. Personally I'm still in a bit of a holding pattern on getting a new keyboard - I figure if it physically works it's good enough for me.
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Re: Gaming mice/keyboards - Overkill for a general user of a
If you try a mechanical keyboard for a bit and then switch back to a regular one it's a world of difference. My first time using one I thought "Well, this is nice, but I don't really think I need to replace mine any time soon." Used it for about 30 minutes, then went back home and used mine and it was just awful by comparison. So mushy and unpleasant.Ed Oscuro wrote:Personally I'm still in a bit of a holding pattern on getting a new keyboard - I figure if it physically works it's good enough for me.
So that said, maybe avoid them entirely and take the ignorance is bliss approach haha.
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Re: Gaming mice/keyboards - Overkill for a general user of a
I've played around with mechanical keyboards quite a bit - I agree they're worlds better - but my current keyboard works and I've got to be a cheapskate right now. If money was no object, sure, I'd get rid of the old thing in a heartbeat.
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Re: Gaming mice/keyboards - Overkill for a general user of a
Ha, my time to shine.
I recently decided that I need a new mouse (my old Logitech MX518 - the benchmark for me, especcially in regards to its great, clicky scroll wheel - works nicely, but looks and feels hideous after years and years of usage). When I saw the Logitech G502 going for 45 €, I immediately got one, only to recognize that its scroll wheel is basically flashy junk.
So I returned it and got a Logitech G402. Its scroll wheel felt decent, but what was that - I had the feeling that every now and then a scroll step wasn't recognized. About an hour later I was sure about that; I could even provoke the scroll wheel not recognizing my input by scrolling veeeery slowly.
So I returned it and got a Logitech G302. Same problem with the scroll wheel.
So I got a Roccat Kone Pure instead. Great design, very nice scroll wheel, but for some reason its tracking "felt" wrong. Why? Well, in contrast to all the other mice I tested so far the Roccat Kone Pure is a laser mouse.
So I returned it and got Roccat Kone Pure Optical - it's basically the same mouse as the regular Pure, but with an optical sensor. As expected, tracking felt great, but for some reason the scroll wheel was really lacking - it sounded and felt uneven, as if it was broken.
So I returned it and got another Roccat Kone Pure Optical. Something was broken there as well - I think its right mouse button was kind of loose.
So I returned it and got another one. And again, and again, and again.
I tried like 8 Roccat Kone Pure Opticals. No two of them were alike, and each and every one had some technical flaw. Roccat's bad reputation in regards to quality control is definitely justified.
Btw in the meantime I also tried a Roccat Kone Pure Color (white), but as far as I can remember it had some technical flaw as well; also its texture felt horrible.
So then I got a Mionix Naos 7000. It had a loose button (I think it was the right mouse button) and its ultraergonomical shape made my hand cramp up.
I returned it and got a Mionix Avior 7000 - it's like the Naos, but with an ambidextrous shape. It made my hand cramp up as well.
So I returned it and got a CM Storm Alcor. Its permanent (as in: can't be disabled via Software) illumination got rather unpleasant over time as it heats up the part of the mouse where your palm rests.
So I returned it and got a SteelSeries Kana v2. Its scroll wheel felt unbearably cheap.
So I returned it and got a Asus ROG Gladius - that's the most expensive mouse (~ 75 €) I tested so far. One of its thumb buttons was faulty - it made an unpleasant noise.
I shouldn't have bothered any longer with this mouse (besides the mentioned fault it was just decent), but deeming this my last chance to find a decent mouse, I returned it an got another one. Both thumb buttons were perfect this time, but the left mouse button was loose.
So I returned it and got another one. This time, the right mouse button was "stuck" near the mouse wheel. I was able to rectify this by lifting it from its mounting and putting it back in, only to realize it produced an unpleasant noise depending on where you clicked. Lifting the button up and putting it back in again allowed me to "shift" the position where the noise happened, but... this is ridiculous.
Fed up with the Asus ROG Gladius I returned it and was about to give up on getting a new mouse... but then I gave it one last try and ordered the recently released Cougar 500M - a mouse with no reviews so far. And well, what can I say - the mouse delivered. I will return it and get another one to make sure that some minor kinks aren't due to quality fluctuations, but I'm fairly confident that my search is at an end here.
I condensed the description of every mouse to a bare minimum, so if you have any questions, just ask.
I recently decided that I need a new mouse (my old Logitech MX518 - the benchmark for me, especcially in regards to its great, clicky scroll wheel - works nicely, but looks and feels hideous after years and years of usage). When I saw the Logitech G502 going for 45 €, I immediately got one, only to recognize that its scroll wheel is basically flashy junk.
So I returned it and got a Logitech G402. Its scroll wheel felt decent, but what was that - I had the feeling that every now and then a scroll step wasn't recognized. About an hour later I was sure about that; I could even provoke the scroll wheel not recognizing my input by scrolling veeeery slowly.
So I returned it and got a Logitech G302. Same problem with the scroll wheel.
So I got a Roccat Kone Pure instead. Great design, very nice scroll wheel, but for some reason its tracking "felt" wrong. Why? Well, in contrast to all the other mice I tested so far the Roccat Kone Pure is a laser mouse.
So I returned it and got Roccat Kone Pure Optical - it's basically the same mouse as the regular Pure, but with an optical sensor. As expected, tracking felt great, but for some reason the scroll wheel was really lacking - it sounded and felt uneven, as if it was broken.
So I returned it and got another Roccat Kone Pure Optical. Something was broken there as well - I think its right mouse button was kind of loose.
So I returned it and got another one. And again, and again, and again.
I tried like 8 Roccat Kone Pure Opticals. No two of them were alike, and each and every one had some technical flaw. Roccat's bad reputation in regards to quality control is definitely justified.
Btw in the meantime I also tried a Roccat Kone Pure Color (white), but as far as I can remember it had some technical flaw as well; also its texture felt horrible.
So then I got a Mionix Naos 7000. It had a loose button (I think it was the right mouse button) and its ultraergonomical shape made my hand cramp up.
I returned it and got a Mionix Avior 7000 - it's like the Naos, but with an ambidextrous shape. It made my hand cramp up as well.
So I returned it and got a CM Storm Alcor. Its permanent (as in: can't be disabled via Software) illumination got rather unpleasant over time as it heats up the part of the mouse where your palm rests.
So I returned it and got a SteelSeries Kana v2. Its scroll wheel felt unbearably cheap.
So I returned it and got a Asus ROG Gladius - that's the most expensive mouse (~ 75 €) I tested so far. One of its thumb buttons was faulty - it made an unpleasant noise.
I shouldn't have bothered any longer with this mouse (besides the mentioned fault it was just decent), but deeming this my last chance to find a decent mouse, I returned it an got another one. Both thumb buttons were perfect this time, but the left mouse button was loose.
So I returned it and got another one. This time, the right mouse button was "stuck" near the mouse wheel. I was able to rectify this by lifting it from its mounting and putting it back in, only to realize it produced an unpleasant noise depending on where you clicked. Lifting the button up and putting it back in again allowed me to "shift" the position where the noise happened, but... this is ridiculous.
Fed up with the Asus ROG Gladius I returned it and was about to give up on getting a new mouse... but then I gave it one last try and ordered the recently released Cougar 500M - a mouse with no reviews so far. And well, what can I say - the mouse delivered. I will return it and get another one to make sure that some minor kinks aren't due to quality fluctuations, but I'm fairly confident that my search is at an end here.
I condensed the description of every mouse to a bare minimum, so if you have any questions, just ask.
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Re: Gaming mice/keyboards - Overkill for a general user of a
Hah, what the hell? Glad I went with a G400 few years ago, never had any problems with this thing... and apparently it's one of the better revisions without angle snapping as well.
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It's near perfect. I like mine so much I bought a spare.
Also, as with most mouse type things, if your buttons start getting fidgety (has happened on two trackballs for me) open it up and with a qtip dab a small amount of penetrating oil on the switches. It's saved mine twice.
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Thomago
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Re: Gaming mice/keyboards - Overkill for a general user of a
Congratulations. If it wasn't for the fact that these go for like 150 € now, I would likely have gotten one of those.Xan wrote:Hah, what the hell? Glad I went with a G400 few years ago, never had any problems with this thing... and apparently it's one of the better revisions without angle snapping as well.
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HydrogLox
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Re: Gaming mice/keyboards - Overkill for a general user of a
Just one? When I ran across a $25 retail sale of Logitech TrackMan Marbles a few years ago I bought three ... Personally I find thumb operated trackballs too awkward for lengthy sessions - thumb fatigue sets in and my thumb movement seems less precise and coordinated than that of the index, middle and ring finger. I started out with a Logitech TrackMan Marble FX Trackball which allows both thumb and finger operation.Einzelherz wrote:It's near perfect. I like mine so much I bought a spare.
Also, as with most mouse type things, if your buttons start getting fidgety (has happened on two trackballs for me) open it up and with a qtip dab a small amount of penetrating oil on the switches. It's saved mine twice.
I think the keyboard that I used the longest was the Northgate OmniKey 101 - before I started working mostly on laptops (with the occasional use of a Natural Keyboard Elite for "relief").
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neorichieb1971
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Well, my mouse turned up via amazon on a Sunday which was a surprise. Looks pretty decent quality. Its a bit big though. I won't use it until I get the computer though.
I only spent £15 on mine so I am not overly fussed if it disappoints, can be used as a spare.
I only spent £15 on mine so I am not overly fussed if it disappoints, can be used as a spare.
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Ji-L87
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Well, thanks to this discussion I'm also looking into these things and I've just ordered six button cherry mx tester 
I'm fairly pleased with my cheap laptop-style, non-island, keyboard but I do have to admit I'm curious. An old keyboard I dug out at work to use is a Keytronic which, although a bit mushy, is way nicer than the cheap HP and Microsoft keyboards we employ here. There is an actuation you can feel and you can rest your fingers on the keys without accidentally pressing them too easily. Makes a sort of soft clickity sound as well, but I digress...
I'm also interested in getting a new mouse in the near future, maybe even before a new keyboard. I have an Elecom Scope Node that I bought maybe 1-2 years back. Bought it for the cool cyberpunk-ish aesthetics and interesting sensor placement but turned out to be a really nice mouse to use everyday. Even did pretty well for gaming.
Well, it's getting a bit worn out, the oversized scroll wheel especially. I'm not sure whether to buy another because I really love the look of it or get something more traditional like Logitech G400. Although, looking at guides online, it seems I'm more of a tip grip and claw master than the perhaps more conventional palm grip, and not sure if that would be a good choice.
Although I've also heard that, even with Thomago's recent experiences in mind, that the Roccat Kone Pure Military is a decent mouse. Anyone got experience or impressions of that?
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Because I'm a sucker for cool designs, Thermaltake's Level 10M looks pretty cool however it's priced outside my comfortable range.
I'm fairly pleased with my cheap laptop-style, non-island, keyboard but I do have to admit I'm curious. An old keyboard I dug out at work to use is a Keytronic which, although a bit mushy, is way nicer than the cheap HP and Microsoft keyboards we employ here. There is an actuation you can feel and you can rest your fingers on the keys without accidentally pressing them too easily. Makes a sort of soft clickity sound as well, but I digress...I'm also interested in getting a new mouse in the near future, maybe even before a new keyboard. I have an Elecom Scope Node that I bought maybe 1-2 years back. Bought it for the cool cyberpunk-ish aesthetics and interesting sensor placement but turned out to be a really nice mouse to use everyday. Even did pretty well for gaming.
Well, it's getting a bit worn out, the oversized scroll wheel especially. I'm not sure whether to buy another because I really love the look of it or get something more traditional like Logitech G400. Although, looking at guides online, it seems I'm more of a tip grip and claw master than the perhaps more conventional palm grip, and not sure if that would be a good choice.
Although I've also heard that, even with Thomago's recent experiences in mind, that the Roccat Kone Pure Military is a decent mouse. Anyone got experience or impressions of that?
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Because I'm a sucker for cool designs, Thermaltake's Level 10M looks pretty cool however it's priced outside my comfortable range.
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neorichieb1971
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Its good to get some momentum in the thread. There is so much out there that I've never heard of before. Never heard of Razor, Steelseries before. Or Red Dragon which I ended up with.
As for keyboards I hope the expensive ones do not bend. Some eventually look like someone has sat on it. So cheap and nasty.
The worrying thing that I've learnt from this thread is that people who are spending money on these brands are replacing equipment at just as fast a pace as those buying cheap shit. Which says to me the brands are not living up to their high prices or we have hooligan game players on this forum.
As for keyboards I hope the expensive ones do not bend. Some eventually look like someone has sat on it. So cheap and nasty.
The worrying thing that I've learnt from this thread is that people who are spending money on these brands are replacing equipment at just as fast a pace as those buying cheap shit. Which says to me the brands are not living up to their high prices or we have hooligan game players on this forum.
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Ji-L87
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There certainly are products in the lineup of every major gaming peripheral maker that isn't worth the cost of admission, but I think that's really to be expected. I also think there's quite a few compromises in terms of gaming performance vs visual design, and cost of manufacturing vs a price that people will pay.neorichieb1971 wrote:The worrying thing that I've learnt from this thread is that people who are spending money on these brands are replacing equipment at just as fast a pace as those buying cheap shit. Which says to me the brands are not living up to their high prices or we have hooligan game players on this forum.
The most tricky part is of course how these things will hold up to use, which a review obviously can't answer.
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SuperDeadite
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Re: Gaming mice/keyboards - Overkill for a general user of a
I've been using a standard Filco (Cherry Brown) keyboard for about 2 years. Still feels just like it did the day I bought it. Great keyboard if you just want a nice mechanical without any stupid gamer gimmicks.
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alamone
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My keyboard progression was:
1. Generic cheap rubber dome keyboard
2. IBM Model M
3. Majestouch with Cherry Blacks
4. Topre Realforce
At first I didn't care that much about keyboards as long as they worked;
then I got interested in mechanical keyboards and I got a Model M, but they are
big and heavy and noisy and they're only available using ancient AT or PS/2 connectors.
I switched to a USB Majestouch and liked it but it developed some chattering problems, at the
time I didn't know you could just replace the Cherry switches to fix it but I was recommended
the Topre Realforce by a friend. I'm using it to this day both at work and at home, you can
say it's basically like a glorified rubber dome keyboard but the feel is very good once you
start using it. Downside is that it's bloody expensive, like $200 expensive, but you can
remove and clean the keycaps periodically (just drop em in with denture tabs) and its like new.
1. Generic cheap rubber dome keyboard
2. IBM Model M
3. Majestouch with Cherry Blacks
4. Topre Realforce
At first I didn't care that much about keyboards as long as they worked;
then I got interested in mechanical keyboards and I got a Model M, but they are
big and heavy and noisy and they're only available using ancient AT or PS/2 connectors.
I switched to a USB Majestouch and liked it but it developed some chattering problems, at the
time I didn't know you could just replace the Cherry switches to fix it but I was recommended
the Topre Realforce by a friend. I'm using it to this day both at work and at home, you can
say it's basically like a glorified rubber dome keyboard but the feel is very good once you
start using it. Downside is that it's bloody expensive, like $200 expensive, but you can
remove and clean the keycaps periodically (just drop em in with denture tabs) and its like new.
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neorichieb1971
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I just thought about cleaning. I hate keyboards with dust build up and residue which is collective and unsightly.
Hopefully mechanical keyboards leave a bit of room to blow the crap out.
Hopefully mechanical keyboards leave a bit of room to blow the crap out.
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Thomago
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Me as well. So I got a Logitech k310 - a standard rubberdome keyboard as far as form, feel and function go, but washable under running water. Best thing ever in my opinion!neorichieb1971 wrote:I hate keyboards with dust build up and residue which is collective and unsightly.
Unfortunately Logitech put 'em out of production (I guess people don't like to keep their keyboards clean), so, depending on where you come from, getting a k310 means ebay hunting.
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Ji-L87
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Well, I can already see two specific hurdles ahead of me when I'm looking at mechanical keyboards.
One, I want a full sized keyboard complete with numpad yet want it to be compact. Many are missing a lot of keys or are gaming behemoths with macro keys, volume controls and usb hubs.
Two, because of where I'm located I need a Nordic QWERTY layout, which limits my options a bit more.
One, I want a full sized keyboard complete with numpad yet want it to be compact. Many are missing a lot of keys or are gaming behemoths with macro keys, volume controls and usb hubs.
Two, because of where I'm located I need a Nordic QWERTY layout, which limits my options a bit more.
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blizzz
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Sounds like the Filco Majestouch-2 would fit your needs.
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matrigs
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http://gaming.coolermaster.com/images/p ... ge_735.jpgJi-L87 wrote: One, I want a full sized keyboard complete with numpad yet want it to be compact. Many are missing a lot of keys or are gaming behemoths with macro keys, volume controls and usb hubs.
That's the one i am sporting right now. Although in hindsight next time i would buy a tenkeyless and an additional cheap numpad only.
I find it kind of funny that all mechanical keyboards with cherry switches are mostly identical but prices are hundreds apart.