SGDQ '15 Shmup exhibition possibility

[SMC]

They submitted Eschatos for SGDQ '15 as a two-way scoring race between Ratikal and Aquas - two of the highest scoring players in the West - and that was rejected at the very first phase of submissions.
So if they weren't even receptive to that, then it's hard to think of anything they could be interested in seeing on the big stage.

Gotta make room for Minecraft

[Plasmo]

Just watched the Ikaruga TAS live. Worst choice for an STG exhibition ever. Everybody was bored.

Why the hell would you want to watch a TAS, but not watch a superplayer?! Weird GDQ dudes.

[Icarus]

Just watched the Ikaruga TAS live. Worst choice for an STG exhibition ever. Everybody was bored.
Why the hell would you want to watch a TAS, but not watch a superplayer?! Weird GDQ dudes.

You and the ikaruga.co.uk guys got a shoutout donation, lol.

[Blinge]

Why the hell would you want to watch a TAS, but not watch a superplayer?! Weird GDQ dudes.

[Smraedis]

It instantly reminded me of Hattori at Stunfest doing double play, and how much seeing that live in person was much better than this.
I have enjoyed SGDQ a lot though.

[Bananamatic]

Just watched the Ikaruga TAS live. Worst choice for an STG exhibition ever. Everybody was bored.

Why the hell would you want to watch a TAS, but not watch a superplayer?! Weird GDQ dudes.

because we dont have superplayers

[Eaglet]

Bullshit.

[Plasmo]

Bullshit.

Banadude clearly hasn't been to a stunfest yet

[Squire Grooktook]

Just keep bugging them in the future until they relent :3

[Bananamatic]

that was pretty far from a superplay m8

[Eaglet]

You're pretty far from knowing what a superplayer is m8.
Surprising considering how much time you've spent in the community.

[dannnnn]

He's right though. Superplayers are like multiple WR holder tier, not highest score on shmups forum.

[Blinge]

^LOL. hey guys, one WR isn't enough, you ain't shit. =(

[Plasmo]

He's right though. Superplayers are like multiple WR holder tier, not highest score on shmups forum.

He's a million times wrong and so are you.

Just count how many "multiple WR holders" are doing speedruns at the event. Maybe 1-2 people out of 100. And then think about all the completely irrelevant WR times for games that have no competition at all. Even the most competitive speedgames like SM64 and OOT haven't even been remotely maxed out compared to most of the shmup WR scores. Stuff like DDP 740mill or Garegga 20,5mill are on the same level as sub 1:40 SM64, which will yet take several years to achieve.

If you put it this way, the GDQ speedrun events are full of amateurs. The speedrun community truly is still in the fledgling stages.

The only speedrun game that is easily comparable to shmups is Goldeneye 64. These dudes are heavy.

[dannnnn]

That's why I said "tier", i.e. a calibre of player good enough to achieve such a feat. Not that they literally have to have multiple WRs to qualify, but that's the level they're on.

^LOL. hey guys, one WR isn't enough, you ain't shit. =(

If you put it this way, the GDQ speedrun events are full of amateurs. The speedrun community truly is still in the fledgling stages.

Yes, because if you're not a superplayer then you're an amateur

There are quite a few good/very good scoreplayers on here, but if you label every good player a "superplayer" then it loses its distinction.

[Eaglet]

A superplayer is somebody who plays in the upper echelon of their respective game. Simple as that.
Saying that we don't have superplayers when we even have world record holders is beyond stupidity.

Edit:
A superplayer does NOT have to be a multiple WR holder. Where did you ever get that stupid idea?
People like NAK, Kamui and SPS aren't superplayers in your eyes?
dudewtf

[Squire Grooktook]

This is complete semantics, but as I recall, the definition of superplay is "playing the game at or near the highest level the game can be played at"

ie you don't have to be a WR holder. Just as long as your at a really high level of play that's close to the games skill ceiling. That could still potentially be an eon away from a WR or a max score.

I'd say there are quite a few super players around here, by that definition.

[dannnnn]

A superplayer does NOT have to be a multiple WR holder. Where did you ever get that stupid idea?
People like NAK, Kamui and SPS aren't superplayers in your eyes?

That's why I said "tier", i.e. a calibre of player good enough to achieve such a feat. Not that they literally have to have multiple WRs to qualify, but that's the level they're on.

Look, it's not like the word has a literal definition, it's just a phrase used to describe a certain calibre of player. You think there are currently Western players who meet this standard, I don't. We'll have to agree to disagree.

A superplayer is somebody who plays in the upper echelon of their respective game. Simple as that.

If you get a good score it doesn't make you a superplayer, it just means you got a good score.

[dannnnn]

People like NAK, Kamui and SPS aren't superplayers in your eyes?

This is exactly the level of player I do consider a superplayer btw, and both Kamui and SPS have held multiple WRs in Garegga and Ketsui respectively.

[juonryu2nd]

It kind of amuses me how Touhou fumos are frequently seen during these events, but no one actually runs the Touhou games. I think it has potential.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2FevaMImuk

[Erppo]

I'd say there are quite a few super players around here, by that definition.

What's even the point of having that word if you put it through so much inflation? Calling people here "superplayers" is generally just embarrassing for everyone involved.

[SMC]

What's even the point of having that word

Good question.

[Eaglet]

It isn't inflation at all though.
The western community is working from a different framework and foundation than what the japanese community is and just as their best players are "superplayers", ours are as well.
Acknowledgement should be given where it is due. Superplayer is the given word for excellence. If you want to change that for the western community it's just semantics.

[Squire Grooktook]

I'd say there are quite a few super players around here, by that definition.

What's even the point of having that word if you put it through so much inflation? Calling people here "superplayers" is generally just embarrassing for everyone involved.

To distinguish extremely high level play or an extremely high level replay of a game?

I don't think it's embarrassing to call some of the achievements by players like Prometheus or Gus Superplays. We're not talking everyone.

Maybe "quite a few" is a bit too much, I'm only really thinking of about 3 people or so here. On the other hand, IIRC I've seen Japanese videos referring to things like 2-loop no miss clears of Konami or Toaplan shmups as "super plays", which is quite a bit lower then something like a Mushi Futari counter stop, so I get the feeling this word isn't as stringent as some people here might believe?

[Elixir]

lol NAK is homestaying in NZ and quit playing awhile ago. I love how the Japanese-English loanword "superplayer" comes off as some holy deity that descends from Japan every full moon to grace us with their presence. For the record though I do feel like the gap between western and Japanese records is too evident not to ignore, the STG Hall of Records is telling enough.

Anyway, SGDQ: I hope you guys know the Ikaruga presentation was basically just TASbot running a prerecorded TAS video of Ikaruga GC running through the Dolphin emulator with commentary. It's a dumb way of presenting the genre to everyone, if it were a live TAS done on real hardware it might have counted for something, but what are people supposed to take away from a doubleplay TAS demo? Is it going to bring new people to the genre? Is it going to make people submit scores? The answer is no. Moan as much as you like about how the genre is dying and that everyone needs to spread the love, but the bottom line is that shmups do not belong in speedrunning events.

It kind of amuses me how Touhou fumos are frequently seen during these events, but no one actually runs the Touhou games. I think it has potential.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2FevaMImuk

They've actually banned all plushies and cosplay at the events now that they're "professional", which is a shame because I liked the oddities of the older events.

[juonryu2nd]

It kind of amuses me how Touhou fumos are frequently seen during these events, but no one actually runs the Touhou games. I think it has potential.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2FevaMImuk

They've actually banned all plushies and cosplay at the events now that they're "professional", which is a shame because I liked the oddities of the older events.

Whoa, I thought fumos being banned was a joke at first. It's real after all.

[Blinge]

but the bottom line is that shmups do not belong in speedrunning events.

Sorry but this conclusion doesn't add up to your argument. Surely someone performing a real score run live is far better than any TAS.
Hell, even someone doing a 1-ALL shitclear of Ketsui would bring new people to the table.

[Elixir]

but the bottom line is that shmups do not belong in speedrunning events.

Sorry but this conclusion doesn't add up to your argument. Surely someone performing a real score run live is far better than any TAS.
Hell, even someone doing a 1-ALL shitclear of Ketsui would bring new people to the table.

Scoring and 1cc runs have no place in speedrunning events for obvious reasons. Shmups aren't speedgames and they aren't played for speed.

[ProjectAKo]

It kind of amuses me how Touhou fumos are frequently seen during these events, but no one actually runs the Touhou games. I think it has potential.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2FevaMImuk

No one actually plays touhou. They just jerk off to anime porn. Present company excluded of course

[Frenetic]

What mostly speedrunning events allow shmups and why are they allowed? I've heard of some european events having them.