Puzzle & Dragons

[Aisha]

Waiting out Venus' dark absorb isn't too bad because she only hits for around 4300 damage on Legend when she's over 50% HP. The hardest part I think is just reaching the last floor with enough active skills ready; although it's possible (but tricky) to stall against Athena. and Hera-Sowilo herself requires 5 turns of stalling since you have to wait for the skill lock she preemptively throws at you to expire.

[cave hermit]

I just cleared my first descended (it was a conditional descended though) that wasn't a super king dragon dungeon.

I randomly noticed that the Dark Knight dungeon was available until the end of today, and the condition was that I can only use devil or physical monsters. I decided, "why not? I've already blown hundreds of stamina on failed Hardar attempts." and luckily somebody's hypermaxed Ronia was available (plus it seems that the conditions for dungeon entry have been made slightly more lenient since Ronia was allowed despite having devil as the secondary type)

As it turned out the monsters in this dungeon don't hit nearly as hard as basic devils and chimeras did in the mechdragon dungeon, so it was sort of a cake walk! Plus I got the actual boss drop: Corpse Armor Dark Knight, Gravis (or at least his unevolved form)!

Honestly though I'm not really sure how useful he'll be to my devil team since I already have Hardar: basically Gravis seems to have extremely high health (up to 5000 or so), but his attack is pretty crap (about 1000), and he has -200 RCV (interestingly enough, his evolved form starts at 0 RCV and actually LOSES RCV as he levels!). Not to mention that his awakenings aren't that great (50% bind resist, a fire plus orb awakening, and a dark plus orb awakening.), and his active skill is the same as my Vampires, only it reduces bind status by one turn and is much harder to skill up since Gravis is the only monster with this specific skill.

His leader skill seems interesting though: 4 times attack for physical type monsters, but RCV is halved for all monsters. However I can't really think of a way to build a team around him for the time being so...

Also no magic stone unless I clear both difficulties (I just did master difficulty)

[cave hermit]

You know what would be really nice? If the game used some kind of pseudo-random distribution (I.e: the probability of something occurring increasing every time it fails to occur, with the probability resetting once it does occur).

Like if every time you rolled the REM only to get a star or silver egg, the probability of getting a gold egg increases marginally until you roll one (of course it could always be something like a rider or wizard, but still better than golems or... Grimrocks.).

Or if everytime you fail to get a skill up, the chance of a skill up occurring increased slightly until it happens.

This is just wishful thinking of course, but I just wanted to put the idea out there

[cave hermit]

Just rolled the academy REM 3 times: I got a rare chibi (Chiyomi), a hero chibi (wukong), and an actual Hero (Perseus).

Not too shabby, but I'd like to keep rolling if I get more stones.

(Edit: apparently I didn't realize how lucky I was to roll chibi Chiyomi: it has identical stats to an actual ult evolved Chiyomi, with the difference being that the real one has a two pronged, a row enhance, and a skill boost, whereas this chibi has 3 two pronged awakenings)

[guigui]

^^
NOT TO SHABBY ?!
Those have to be the luckiest rolls you got in the game so far. I had not noticed yet, but your Chibi Chiyome is a beast !

Decent stats, double red, fast orb change (skill up material is kind of hard to get though, go grinding and be patient), 3 TPAs !
Damned, match 4 reds and she deals, all by herself :
1390 * 1.1 (double attribute) * 1.5 * 1.5 * 1.5 = 5160 red damage.
Only drawback I see is that she is only balanced type. By any fire team will like her.

How comes you rolled 3 PAD monsters from 3 rolls ? Does the machine only gives PAD monsters ? If yes, I'll definitely roll.


Also Jon, about Hera-Sowilo descend :

Here's hoping you have better luck than I did with Hera-Ur a few days back. Four successful, grueling runs and no drop.

I was lucky to get her on my second legend run, yay ! Now I do know what is a grueling run. Those "absorbs under 5 or 6 combos" are a real pain.

[cave hermit]

How comes you rolled 3 PAD monsters from 3 rolls ? Does the machine only gives PAD monsters ? If yes, I'll definitely roll.

Apparently this REM offers

-Hero Gods (semi-rare roll, 6% chance each)
-Chibi Heros (common roll, 12% chance each)
-Rare Chibis [chibi Chiyomi and chibi Red odin] (rare roll, 2% chance each)
-Pad academy exclusive gods (ultra rare roll, 1.3% chance each!)

The chibi heroes don't really seem that great, and you have a 15-20% chance of getting a non-chibi hero monster, but I would say it's worth rolling given how good the potential payout is.

[Jon]

Damn, congrats on that Chiyomi cave hemit.

I would love one of the PAD academy exclusives or rare chibi's but those drop rates are pretty abysmal and I'm not exactly rolling in stones at the moment.

[guigui]

Hum, so, Disciple Athena, the one everyone dreams about, has ~1% chance of appearing. Any other ways to get her in the future ?

[cave hermit]

It's kinda misleading that the REM is themed around the academy (the machine is even dressed up like a schoolgirl!), given that there are only 3 academy monsters, and they are absurdly rate drops :/

[cave hermit]

So it seems that Red Guan Yu got a skill buff: his active now converts poison orbs in addition to heart orbs apparently. Thing is my Red Guan Yu still only mentions heart orbs; is this buff a Japan only thing right now?

[Necronopticous]

Hum, so, Disciple Athena, the one everyone dreams about, has ~1% chance of appearing. Any other ways to get her in the future ?

Very unlikely, unless this event/REM comes back. Bikini Metatron was the same way--ultra rare roll from special REM one time, and has not since returned.

So it seems that Red Guan Yu got a skill buff: his active now converts poison orbs in addition to heart orbs apparently. Thing is my Red Guan Yu still only mentions heart orbs; is this buff a Japan only thing right now?

It will come to our version eventually. Probably about 2.5 months from now. Here is a good visualization of the JP/NA differences, and their introduction/expected introduction times:

http://www.reddit.com/r/PuzzleAndDragons/wiki/version

[Necronopticous]

It sure is sad to see that 2.5x skill up rate go...

[Jon]

^^^My LMetatron isn't sure it even existed in the first place.

On a positive note I did manage to get both Gigas and Hera in the same master level run of the PAD Academy Dungeon. My luck wasn't as hot with the special egg machine though. Two pulls resulting in pandora and perseus.

[guigui]

My luck wasn't as hot with the special egg machine though. Two pulls resulting in pandora and perseus.

True ones or chibi ones ? True = luck.

[Jon]

My luck would be on fire and I surely wouldn't be complaining if they were the real deal.

I wouldn't let cave hermits good fortune with the collab REM fool you into rolling if you haven't already, guigui. Much better off waiting for the next god fest imo

[Necronopticous]

But Chibi Pandora is so cute!

開けてもいい？

[Jon]

Aye, her and isis are pretty adorable. I think I actually prefer the art of this particular chibi set over Three Kingdoms who don't seem to stray as much from their original design.

[cave hermit]

I got sick of throwing away hundreds of stamina on failed attempts at running mechdragon's fortress, and I had already gotten 3 out of the 4 pre-awakenings so I said fuck it, and just ult evolved my Hardar, using a Tamadra to get that last awakening.

I decided to replace my Lilith with Hardar since I also had Dill Sirius on my team, and he was also a healer.

So apparently the mechdragon fortress dungeons are equivalent to Legend difficulty for descends; since I could occasionally clear the mech dragon fortress with my existing devil team, maybe now that I have Hardar I'll be able to successfully run some descends offering the Legend difficulty!

[Aisha]

That's what I did: by the time I got Hadar, I was so sick of struggling through Mechdragons' that I said 'fuck it' and used 4 TAMADRA on him. Congrats on mini chiyome, by the way. Perseus is a pretty good pull as well; he's a nice supporting card for green teams. I don't have the guts to pull from the Academy machine.

It sure is sad to see that 2.5x skill up rate go...

Yeah. Hopefully it will come around more often now. Off the top of my head, I think JP gets it rather regularly. They also get cooler bonuses that we haven't received yet, like 2.5x Great/Super chance, 2x drop rate in coin dungeons, and 1.5x +Egg drop rate in Normal Dungeons. The coin dungeon one really irks me since I find farming skill-ups in them without any bonus is a nightmare.

[Vexorg]

Out of the Mechdragon dungeons, I find that the wood one is the easiest by far for me to farm with my Ronia team. The team has enough health to tank a double strike hit, and my max skilled Ares (not devil type, but has pretty good ATK and a row enhance anyway) usually produces enough red orbs to take the Chimera out in one turn. The main thing you have to watch out for at that point is the Taur Demons that can bind fire, those can end your run pretty quick. I also farm that one with my GZL team as well, not quite as safe but pretty quick as long as I can avoid skyfall heals.

If you're having trouble with the Mechdragons, try throwing in a short cooldown orb changer that can be up before battle 5. It'll make it a lot easier to get through that one.

[guigui]

Sandalphon has been downed, but I spent 4 stones total in that dungeon, and made lot of mistakes, shame.
Now to awaken Hera-Sowilo, Sandalphon, then Venus !

I'm also trying to get some green fruits from thursday mythical, along with regular dragon fruits. Of course, 4 runs gave 2 reds, 2 blues, one regular.

[Aisha]

I just managed to grab Sandalphon for my Venus as well. I used a team of Lu Bu, Thanatos, Echidna, Haku, D/F Lucifer, and Red Sonia. I put Thanatos and Echidna in there specifically to get past Raphael. Next up is getting Hera-Beorc for my Ceres, but I don't think I can do that descend with my devil team, especially not Mythical; I'll give Legend a try at least. Otherwise it will have to wait until my 100% skill-lock resist Verdandi team is sufficiently leveled.

Sandalphon looks like a nice card for light Healer teams, but the cool-down on his active is absolutely brutal, which I think diminishes his appeal.

[cave hermit]

This game just loves teasing me: I spent 18 rolls on the pal machine, and got 2 devillits! Of course I still can't get just one angelit *_*

I also rolled a blue mystical mask. Of course I have no use for blue ones and really need green ones :/

So my current Devil team has
-Max level full awakened Chaotic general Lu Bu
-level 41 full awakened demon Hardar
-Level 40 ebon sorcerer Dill Sirius
-Level 30 Drawn Joker
-Level 40 Dark Liege Vampire Duke (balanced ult evo)

Is this team mythical dungeon worthy, or at least good enough to eventually take on the twinlits?
I also have a Lilith (standard dark ult evo) that I could switch Dill Sirius out for to poison dublits in Friday mythical.

If this team is good enough, I'll just be focusing on leveling the rest of my team up, while also attempting to skill up my vampire duke.

[guigui]

Not sure you can tackle Mythical descends with this team, depends on the dungeon.
You can certainly farm King of the Gods though, have you unlocked Starlight Sanctuary yet ?

About Friday Mythical, I always see a problem with your team :

Idea 1 : Lu Bu / Attacker amaterasu / Hadar / Lilith / Vampire / Sonia
- Floor 1 : wipe all but one Mythlit, stall to activate all while healing and stocking D/R on board bottom.
- Floor 2 : two mass attacks with red.
- Floor 3 : lilith poison
- Floor 4 : Sonia - Hadar - Lu Bu may one shot. They will at least get the angelit, which lets you one more turn to kill the devilit.
PROBLEM : Amaterasu is no leader, so it will be hard to stall on floor 1 cause you'll have to heal with orbs when mythlit decides to attack for 4000 instead of binding. Might be doable though.

Idea 2 : Attacker amaterasu / Lu Bu / Hadar / Lilith / Vampire / Sonia
Then you do the same.
PROBLEM : Lu Bu is no leader, so you'll very likely miss firepower to wipe floor 4.


As you see it, you cannot mix Ama's "I heal, unbind and am unbindable" ability with enough multiplication. One way to solve it it to go with attackers instead of devils since Ama also boosts them. Which attackers do you have ? I remember you have a wizard Laila, but do you have a Cao Cao, even chibi ? Might also be worth it to farm for a second Lilith...

[cave hermit]

I do have a chibi cao cao;

My current attacker team consists of:
Attacker Amaterasu
Leilan (pre-ult evo),
Laila
King Flamie
Chibi cao cao

Beyond that I don't have any other worthwhile red or yellow attackers, and my Leilan doesn't gain an attacker subtype until it ult-evolves with an Angelit (which I'm trying to get by running friday mythical :/ ).

Actually would it be possible to have subs that don't match the leader type multiplier and still be able to run mythical descends? If so, is there a limit to how many non matching subs I use?

Like what if I replace Leilan with my new chibi Chiyomi until I get an Angelit?
Any other possible suggestions for my attacker team? Maybe some more light subs?

[guigui]

In my opinion, you can run some descends with this attacker team. The Combo Skuld (get a Skuld friend, quick !) + Cao Cao is great, kind of a Sonia effect, but with more reds to go for damages.
For the descends, you have to adapt your team to each dungeon though, so it is hard to give general advice.
Putting Chiyome in might be a good idea since, if you get a friend Skuld leader, she'll at least ahve the x3.3 multi.
Leilan also looks like a good sub if you go pure attacker, but you have to uevo her first.

Now about Friday Mythical, this may work :
Amaterasu / Cao Cao / Lilith / Lilith / Flamie / Skuld

Floor 1 : critical floor. First turn, match at least 2x3 reds + some dark and light to wipe regular lits (18000 HP each), and one or two mythlits (76000 HP each) if possible. Dont mass attack. You can get orb trolled here, but still survive afterwards, pray.
From this point, mythlits will spawn binding attack or 4000 damage attack. Amaterasu compensate for loss of health (beware, though) and is unbindable.
You have to stall until all actives are up and arrange your board to stock Red/Blue/Dark/Light orbs at the bottom, to get max damage on floor 4.
Maybe something like, not quite sure though :

Code: Select all

XXXXXX
BRBRBR
RBRBRB
DLDDLL
RBRBRB

When everything is ready, unbind with Amaterasu and proceed.

Floor 2 : Lilith
Floor 3 : Lilith

Floor 4 : Flamie + Cao Cao + big damage from you arranged board. This should take care of at least one lit.
Counting the Cao Cao delay, plus the Charge attack used by lit when alone, this lets you two more turns to kill the other, and you have Skuld.



As you see, the board you arrange on floor 1 is the one you get to wipe twinlits on 4. I can do it quite consistently, but have 2 Red Odins instead of 2 Liliths, which makes things way easier.
Also, you might take one Lilith out and put Laila in. Then you should clear floor 2 with mass attacks, but I'm not sure you can do it in 2 turns since dubs have 19 health and you'll have a hard time dealing 2x10 damages.

All in all, I'm still unsure you can do it this or that way. Hope this will at least give you some ideas about that Friday Mythical.

[Necronopticous]

Kaguyahime was pretty easy with an LKali team I threw together. Have you guys tried it yet?

[guigui]

Did not try Kaguya-Hime. This "4xATK on a turn a skill is used" leader skill seems to be powerful, but you need a lot of fast max-skilled cards to use it efficiently. Not sure I can handle it now.

Tomorrow is Wadatsumi Descended. I dont particularly care about Wadatsumi, but rather about Spirit Meimei invasion that drops a Green Jewel I need.

I plan to take an healer team to this dungeon. Restriction is that awakenings are disabled, but my cards are not awoken yet anyway :
Awoken Venus / DQ / Light Valk / BG Sun Quan / Fuu / ?

Awoken Venus halves damage from Light and Blue, which is pretty good here.
Any idea for which friend leader I should choose ? Zhuge Liang does not seem good since he is only active at full HP, and there are some preemptive attacks here.
LMeta may be good. Also, if I get another Awoken Venus friend, will that divide Light and Blue damage by 4 ?!

Also, may Meimei invasion happen at any floor ? Cant it happen on Legend ? What is its rate ?

[Aisha]

Kaguyahime was pretty easy with an LKali team I threw together. Have you guys tried it yet?

How did you avoid Kaguya's resolve with Kali? Did you just not one-shot her?

Also, may Meimei invasion happen at any floor ? Cant it happen on Legend ? What is its rate ?

Invades can happen on any floor except the last one. Celestial invades can only happen on Mythical or higher. I think the rate on Mythical is around 10%. Celestial invades could happen on Legend too, but they took that away last February or so for some reason. If you need a specific jewel, Gift from the Holy Beasts and Dragon Challenge! are coming up, so farming for invades might not be worth the effort.

[Necronopticous]

How did you avoid Kaguya's resolve with Kali? Did you just not one-shot her?

Yeah, a minimal 4 or 5 combo with only 25x won't one-shot her, then you can go all out. Also, if you get crazy skyfalls and trigger her resolve, she won't do anything to you since she'll waste her turn healing anyway so it's not too dangerous.