Puzzle & Dragons

[cave hermit]

The new green sprite dungeon offers skill ups for Guan Yu in the form of Onetons, so I've been farming it; despite how many times I've run it however, I still only have 2 Onetons (and this is despite the fact there's a guaranteed encounter with two of them on floor 4, and despite the fact Onetons are classified as 2 star rarity in contrast to the 3 star vendor trash that constantly drops instead. I'm assuming that monster star ratings are completely arbitrary and meaningless.)

[Necronopticous]

I'm assuming that monster star ratings are completely arbitrary and meaningless.

They are meaningful when it comes to their rarity in the egg machines, only. For example, it's extremely rare to roll 6-star cards in the Rare Egg Machine, which is why the 6-star godfest exclusives like Dark Metatron, Red Guan Yu, Blue & Green Sonia, etc are so difficult to get. Rarity has no bearing on drops in a dungeon. Each dungeon floor has a base drop % chance, and if you get happen to get a drop on a floor, it will be randomly selected from the available monsters on the floor with equal chance (aside from GungHo's infamous desire sensor, which reads your brain waves to figure out which monster you want to drop the most, and gives that one a 0% chance, which is what you are experiencing.)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... ire+Sensor

[guigui]

Which level ar you farming ? Since the first three all cost 15 stamina, I'd recommend you farm the third one : expert.

I think farming master will increase the drop rate of the Green Fairy on the final floor at the cost of 40 stamina, but it is not what you are interested in. Anyone corrects me if I'm wrong.
Also, be aware that the drop rate for this dungeon will increase to x2 in the coming days, be sure to farm at this moment. And, of course, only feed to Guan Yu when the x2 skill up rate is here, friday I guess.

[Vexorg]

The last Android client update broke the game on my phone, Now it crashes when I start it. Might have to dig a bit to fix it. In the meantime, guess my alt account is more developed anyway.

[Necronopticous]

Looks like the new ultimates are just around the corner:

http://pad.neocyon.com/W/Notice/View.aspx?id=383

They're coming out in the Korean version tomorrow, which probably means we'll get them very soon. I'm super excited for pretty much all of these, but especially Parvati & Kali.

[Aisha]

I'm looking forward to Kali and Lu Bu getting ultimates! I have DQXQ too, but I haven't done anything with her yet.

There are two mystery "Special Event Content" slots in the next event's schedule. It's probably Sonia Gran and a Godfest, although some people are speculating Diagoldos too.

[guigui]

You were right about Player's Choice Godfest :
https://www.facebook.com/PuzzleAndDrago ... 94/?type=1

Now I regret I spent all my stones on the previous one. If I get it correctly, this only happens about once a year ? Maybe I'll IAP for this one.

[Aisha]

Twice a year: Once in the Summer and once around Christmas.

Best to wait and see which gods get voted in. The selection usually ends up being pretty good, but the chance of getting trash is the same as it is in any other Godfest.

[cave hermit]

I'll probably have enough for maybe 2 rolls by the time this rolls around, which will be pretty much par for the course for me.

Still hoping for a red sonia or an odin...

[Jon]

It looks like those newly released ultimate's are swaying the voting pretty hard. That and Yomi.

When exactly does the GF start? They won't be dishing out free stones until Friday so not too soon I hope.

[Aisha]

It looks like those newly released ultimate's are swaying the voting pretty hard. That and Yomi.

When exactly does the GF start? They won't be dishing out free stones until Friday so not too soon I hope.

They haven't announced the date yet, but I'm guessing it will be near the end of the event since we just had a Godfest not too long ago.

I don't understand why people are voting for Yomi so hard. He ranked pretty high in the last PCGF too, if I remember. Nor do I understand Anubis, because most people can't play him. Green Odin also feels like a drag these days; I think he could really use a new ultimate.

[cave hermit]

Fused so many god damn onetons into my guan yu, yet I've only gotten 2 skill ups so far.

It's hard enough to get some of the skill up materials, and even then your best odds under skill up chance bonus conditions are 20%. Absolutely ridiculous...

[guigui]

Fused so many god damn onetons into my guan yu, yet I've only gotten 2 skill ups so far.

It's hard enough to get some of the skill up materials, and even then your best odds under skill up chance bonus conditions are 20%. Absolutely ridiculous...

You're right, skilling up IS hard. To make it taste better, just farm until you get 5 Onetons, then feed them all at once.
When the x2 skill up bonus is active, if you feed 5 monsters at once, here are your chances :

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0 skill up : 33%
1 skill up : 42%
2 skill up : 20%
3 skill up : 4%
4 skill up : 1%
5 skill up : <1%

Also, Green Sprite will have drop rate x2 in the coming days, go on and farm ! I think the opportunities to get Onetons are rather rare, dont miss it.


Now question, that also stands for you Hermit : tomorrow the lightseeker dungeon appears and I will farm it for skill-up monster Nenekos. Do I farm Expert level (sta 15) or Master level (sta 40)?
Nenekos is not the boss of the dungeon, but appears on the second at last floor, and as rare spawn.

PADX says : For end game bosses, the estimated drop chance per difficulty is: Mythical 100%, Legend 100% ( 40% If a Mythical Dungeon is available ), Master ~40%, Expert ~5%, Adept ~2%.
Since Neneko is not the boss, and I dont care about the boss, I tend to think I'd rather farm Expert. Am I right ?

[cave hermit]

I would think that's the right thing to do, although I don't really know either about how difficulty affects non-boss drops, so...

[cave hermit]

According to padx there's another evo carnival starting in about a day!

Maybe I'll finally get an Angelit or two!

Or more likely I'll just get some tier one -lits.

[cave hermit]

I still don't really get the drop rate bonuses for dungeons; do they affect all rare monsters, or just the boss monster?

[Necronopticous]

It affects all floors at the modifier specified. For example, lets say the master level of the Green Sprite dungeon currently running has a 40% chance of a drop on floor 1-3, 30% chance on floor 4, and 20% chance on floor 5. If you run this level during a 1.5x period, the drop rates would be 60%, 45%, and 30% respectively. It is all a bit confusing because GungHo has never officially stated what any of the base drop rates actually are for any dungeon, so the only way to know for sure is trial and statistical analysis, which is why the fan communities are rife with experiential spreadsheets and stuff.

[Aisha]

Fused so many god damn onetons into my guan yu, yet I've only gotten 2 skill ups so far.

It's hard enough to get some of the skill up materials, and even then your best odds under skill up chance bonus conditions are 20%. Absolutely ridiculous...

You're right, skilling up IS hard. To make it taste better, just farm until you get 5 Onetons, then feed them all at once.
When the x2 skill up bonus is active, if you feed 5 monsters at once, here are your chances :

Code: Select all

0 skill up : 33%
1 skill up : 42%
2 skill up : 20%
3 skill up : 4%
4 skill up : 1%
5 skill up : <1%

Also, Green Sprite will have drop rate x2 in the coming days, go on and farm ! I think the opportunities to get Onetons are rather rare, dont miss it.


Now question, that also stands for you Hermit : tomorrow the lightseeker dungeon appears and I will farm it for skill-up monster Nenekos. Do I farm Expert level (sta 15) or Master level (sta 40)?
Nenekos is not the boss of the dungeon, but appears on the second at last floor, and as rare spawn.

PADX says : For end game bosses, the estimated drop chance per difficulty is: Mythical 100%, Legend 100% ( 40% If a Mythical Dungeon is available ), Master ~40%, Expert ~5%, Adept ~2%.
Since Neneko is not the boss, and I dont care about the boss, I tend to think I'd rather farm Expert. Am I right ?

The base skill-up chance is estimated to be 10% and is independent of how many feeds you do at once. But I prefer doing 5 at once so as to not prolong the disappointment. The skill-up system is hands-down the worst thing about this game, and unfortunately, skilling-up your cards is one of the most important things you can do to improve your team.

The Watery Temptress dungeon is the dark equivalent of Lightseeker. I farmed it on Expert pretty extensively for Purple Chasers, and I ended up with more Hamahime drops than I knew what to do with. So I think Expert should be fine for Neneko farming, but if it doesn't work well, try Master.

Difficulty affects drops on all floors. But the drop-rates vary from one dungeon to another, so just because Expert is good for one dungeon doesn't mean it's also good for another.

[guigui]

Yes, yes farming Expert is what it shall be ...

... 20 minutes later : 6 Expert runs gave 0 Neneko, when 2 Master runs gave 2 Nenekos. Maybe Master is best when the drop rate is not boosted.
Do we know if the drop rate will be boosted in the coming days ? I cant see anything about it on padx.

[Necronopticous]

The new Zaerog is insane

http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/news.asp?nid=314

[cave hermit]

I'm not really sure what ult evo to go with for bastet; I was originally planning to use her as a sub on my Leilan team, but now I'm starting to wonder if I'm overlooking her potential as a leader...

In any case I'll switch over to the awakened ult evo once I actually can farm those materials, but for the time being I have a choice between the green light healer with a slighly easier/lower combo multiplier and the green dark devil with a slightly harder/higher combo multiplier...

[BulletMagnet]

Picked up the 3DS pack that includes Z and the Mario reskin earlier today, and played a bit of both...I don't have a smartphone and thus never played the original game, nor have any idea what manner of differences exist between it and the 3DS editions, but hopefully I'll at least be able to see what the fuss is about.

[guigui]

Having played a little of the 3DS version, I say you might get somehow hooked to it for a good period of time. Though, if online interactions are not more developed in the future, it may be easy to drop the game once it is cleared, which seems to never happen with the phone version (for the worst or the best, who knows ?)

Also, the Z version has quite bad graphics, music, readibilty, controls, and seems to have less depth. The Mario version is superior in all those aspects, and closer to the phone version in gameplay.
All in all, if you just want to have a good time discovering what the game looks like, I'd recommend starting with the Mario version first. If you like it, then it is your choice to play the Z version, or to loose your sanity and dive into the phone version.

[BulletMagnet]

Also, the Z version has quite bad graphics, music, readibilty, controls, and seems to have less depth. The Mario version is superior in all those aspects, and closer to the phone version in gameplay.

Hmm, interesting. I noticed a handful of differences in how the two editions play, though the basic puzzling is mostly the same - there's an element of luck involved, but a well-suited team and timely skill use seems able to overcome most of it, at least early on. I will say that the Mario version starts toughening up more quickly, though I'm not sure whether that's due to it being a shorter game (it has fewer critters to collect, but the rest is just guessing on my part). Presentation-wise I didn't have too many issues with either (to whit, I thought that the music in Z sounded particularly "authentically" 16-bit, though that's just me), but again I haven't played the original so I can't make any comparisons there; the story is cookie-cutter but doesn't take itself overly seriously, so I can mostly ignore the Pokemon cartoon show stuff.

I don't have any plans to get a smartphone as it is, but beyond that I do like not having my play time limited by an "energy meter" or similar methods, and also appreciate that, apparently, every critter is obtainable through "normal" play (there are some preorder-exclusive dungeons and whatnot, but supposedly they just allow you to get certain monsters earlier than you usually would). Still obviously need to see how the drop rate and such strikes me, but I did stick with the thing for a good while last night, so it at least has that part of the equation going for it.

[cave hermit]

I almost made it to the boss in Holy Goddess descended, but I was getting a bit sloppy on the second to last floor while trying to stall out for my attack burst and delay. Even though the only remaining devil couldn't bind me since I had no grass monsters, it was still hitting pretty hard every turn while having resist to my almost monofire team, and I didn't have enough heart orbs to keep up. I used a magic stone to continue for the first time, but I still managed to screw it up.

Oh well, at least I'm making some progress, and I'll just get another magic stone to replace the one I used tomorrow.

[guigui]

Bad luck on Valkyrie here Hermit. I could clear it, but that was very very close.

[cave hermit]

I have yet to beat a descended dungeon, but with any luck (read: angelits) I should be able to soon...

[BrianC]

After waiting for half an hour at a best buy since I had a 5 dollar coupon, I got Puzzle and Dragons 3DS. I like it so far. I agree that SMB has the more polished graphics (though I didn't find Z's to be bad), but I didn't have any problems with the controls in either game. I also like Z's music better since it has some tunes from the iOS game, along with some new tunes from the same composer. I was surprised to see a Sonic reference in Z with one of the items.

[cave hermit]

You know what collab I would really like? A JoJo's Bizarre adventure one.

Of course even if it did happen, given that NA never got Dragon Ball despite how popular that is here, there's no way in hell Jojo would get over.

Anyway, I was bored so I decided to make a shitty mock-up of a Jojo PAD monster card in MS paint:

[Aisha]

You know what collab I would really like? A JoJo's Bizarre adventure one.

Of course even if it did happen, given that NA never got Dragon Ball despite how popular that is here, there's no way in hell Jojo would get over.

Anyway, I was bored so I decided to make a shitty mock-up of a Jojo PAD monster card in MS paint:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/fp6Hqu2.png

You never know; we did get the Fist of the North Star collab not too long ago. GungHo would probably have to navigate through licensing hell to bring the DBZ collabs over, so they decided not to bother.

I'm surprised we haven't already seen a Kantai Collection collab given how popular it is in Japan now.