Questions that do not deserve a thread

[Smashbro29]

Is http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/ reputable?

I've been looking for a 120hz 1080p TV/monitor at around 32 inches and it says that this is 120hz (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BTY9NPE/?tag=dislag-20) but it's not.

[Fudoh]

The other 2013 W6 models are 120Hz. Isn't this one ? If it got the strobing option, then it's a 120Hz panel. Has to. Otherwise it couldn't display 60Hz base content + strobing.

[Smashbro29]

The other 2013 W6 models are 120Hz. Isn't this one ? If it got the strobing option, then it's a 120Hz panel. Has to. Otherwise it couldn't display 60Hz base content + strobing.

Page doesn't mention strobing.

[Fudoh]

Why should it? If they started to include all possible 120Hz implementations it would be endless.

As far as I can remember the features on the 2013 W6 are 100% identical with the 42" I reviewed ( http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=48662 ). It just got a little more lag due to a different panel manufacturer.

[Smashbro29]

Why should it? If they started to include all possible 120Hz implementations it would be endless.

As far as I can remember the features on the 2013 W6 are 100% identical with the 42" I reviewed ( http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=48662 ). It just got a little more lag due to a different panel manufacturer.

You seem to recommend the 2014 W8 series over the W6 2013. Should I just go look for that?

[Xyga]

All TV's advertized featuring 120Hz do it internally for 3D streams, none accept a 120Hz input and display it as is like computer monitors do.
Only a few select hacked 3D TV's can @720p or so but they're old and not great sets.
I think there's one or two Vizio models atm, like one 4K that do 1080p@120Hz over the 4K area but I don't know if it's worth.

If you want real smooth 120Hz you definitely need a monitor, one supporting genuine 120~144Hz.
Otherwise what you get is 60Hz+Interpolation or more like Interpolation+strobing whatever.

[Mishrak109]

I'm slowly mulling over the idea of getting SCART cables for my SNES. The real question I have is, is it a genuinely noticeable quality difference when outputting it to a PVM over a high quality S-Video cable?

I'm hesitant to drop $35 on an SCART -> BNC cable and another $20 on a non-official SNES SCART csync cable without knowing for sure.

However, the desire to see what this looks like on my PVM compared to S-Video is quite high. I know there's huge differences as far as capture quality goes, but I wonder if that same difference shows itself when displayed on a PVM. My S-Video does look pretty amazing on it.

[BazookaBen]

I'm slowly mulling over the idea of getting SCART cables for my SNES. The real question I have is, is it a genuinely noticeable quality difference when outputting it to a PVM over a high quality S-Video cable?

It's noticeable, just not nearly as stark as the move from composite>s-video. To me, it seemed like there was all around deeper color.

If money is tight, you don't necessarily have to buy a SCART cable. You can hack an old A/V cable and add a female VGA connector to it, then just use a VGA to BNC cable. On the other hand, the SCART to BNC cable + console scart cables will save you time, and some online stores sell decent-quality cables.

Besides, if you ever plan on playing Genesis on your PVM, you're going to have to figure out a way to get RGB, since the Genesis doesn't have s-video.

[Smashbro29]

All TV's advertized featuring 120Hz do it internally for 3D streams, none accept a 120Hz input and display it as is like computer monitors do.
Only a few select hacked 3D TV's can @720p or so but they're old and not great sets.
I think there's one or two Vizio models atm, like one 4K that do 1080p@120Hz over the 4K area but I don't know if it's worth.

If you want real smooth 120Hz you definitely need a monitor, one supporting genuine 120~144Hz.
Otherwise what you get is 60Hz+Interpolation or more like Interpolation+strobing whatever.

So what's a good 32 inch monitor with low input lag and real 120hz?

[Xyga]

I think the largest are 27" or I've missed something.

There's a list here with some of that size: http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/monit ... ost1219700
- The Acer XB270HU is the obvious best but it's very expensive and only fully works at 1440p and with a compatible nVidia GPU.
- Much more affordable Korean-American like the Overlord Tempest X270OC have been a favorite alternative for a long time, be aware it only takes 1440p Dual-Link DVI input though.

If it's too small well to my knowledge there's only the Vizio TV sets like the M series: http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-le ... eries-2015
Not stellar quality but if you want to game in 120Hz on a big TV from a PC, well those can... (read the comments on rTings, and yeah they're a relatively reputable source)

[Smashbro29]

I don't particularly care for a resolution above 1080p. I just want 120hz. They seem to be pushing 4k and don't specify 120hz anywhere.

[BazookaBen]

You know 120hz does nothing for 60hz games, right? There is no console that outputs at 120hz outside of maybe the PS3 in 720p 3D mode

[Xyga]

I don't particularly care for a resolution above 1080p. I just want 120hz. They seem to be pushing 4k and don't specify 120hz anywhere.

You don't have a choice it's a matter of signal bandwidth limitation, the Vizio TV can do 4K@60Hz or 1080p@120Hz (picture stretched to the whole screen) the latter only on a single specific HDMI input.
Older hacked 1080p TV could also only use a lower resolution @120Hz.

120Hz is specified both in the specs in the review and several times in the comments (which are very informative and you obviously didn't read) on the rtings page I've linked.

And +1 for what BazookaBen just wrote, if you were expecting anything for consoles well that won't do, they're all capped at 60Hz, signals at 120Hz will only be possible from a PC period.

Sorry to if that's news to you but display technologies are still very limited in terms of availability and effectiveness, it's not because we read everywhere about plenty of Hz, zero blur, no tearing, no lag etc, that's it's actually true and easy as a purchase.
Really good and effective/compatible products are not at all common and typically involve other - costly - hardware to work.
Plus a non-negligible amount time spent learning about how that sort of stuff works, it's not buy-plug-play.

[bobrocks95]

If you're looking for 120Hz to reduce blur, don't underestimate technologies like black frame insertion (BFI) on the recent Sony sets (and others), they do a fantastic job of eliminating blur, and after you find all the settings you need to change, the picture is about as bright as it is without the mode turned on.

If you want true 120Hz for high-end PC gaming, you need to get a 120/144Hz computer monitor and accept the fact that they don't make them larger than 27" for the most part. If you're sitting in front of it playing a PC game anyway 27" is plenty large enough. If you were planning to play console games on it, as everyone has said, a true 120Hz display won't help you any more than stuff like BFI/strobing.

The third option is to forget about it and hope that technology catches up soon.

[CkRtech]

The third option is to forget about it and hope that technology catches up soon.

Personally, I feel like we are in the middle of a segue, and waiting might be the best idea.

[Smashbro29]

It's for PC, it's a high end PC. Consoles are secondary to it.

You're right though, I didn't look very hard on the page and that's my fault. I expected the hz in the title and it's all been very confusing.

So 120hz is a huge headache, I'm gonna do my own research before asking. I thought it would be cut and dry like 60.

If I'm being perfectly honest, it's for a friend. I'm not moving to 120hz. I'll move from 60 when something else actually becomes standard.

[BazookaBen]

Well in that case I recommend your friend take a look at this page:

http://www.blurbusters.com/overclock/120hz-pc-to-tv/

There are TV's that can display real 120hz, but they're in the minority.

[SGGG2]

Bit of a longshot here, but I'm hoping that someone who owns all of the hardware can test this configuration:

Mario Kart 8 with the Logitech Speed Force Steering Wheel for Gamecube connected to Wiimote Motion Plus using the Mayflash Nintendo GameCube Controller Adapter for Wii U.

I read a Youtube comment claiming this would work, but I just received the wheel and as far as I can tell, it's not being recognized at all. The adapter works fine with my Wavebird, so that's not the issue.

[Einzelherz]

Besides, if you ever plan on playing Genesis on your PVM, you're going to have to figure out a way to get RGB, since the Genesis doesn't have s-video.

This is the main reason, IMO. If you think you'll ever want to run another system to the PVM the easiest solution is SCART. I've got SNES, NES,SMS, GEN, Saturn, Dreamcast currently so going all in makes things easier.

S-Video through a PVM is cheap and a decent stopgap. The sharpness/clarity for me is similar/identical on my 14L5 between S-Video and RGB->Component, but the color is different, which could be due to the conversion in my specific situation.

[Smashbro29]

I did some research, did some asking around and using http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/ I found what seems to be the best option. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GWFNMJS/?tag=dislag-20

It only has 10ms input lag (according to the site). Is that site reliable though?

[Fudoh]

How is a lousy TN monitor ever ANY option for anything ?

[Lord of Pirates]

I did some research, did some asking around and using http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/ I found what seems to be the best option. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GWFNMJS/?tag=dislag-20

It only has 10ms input lag (according to the site). Is that site reliable though?

Someone is likely to call it a pile of crap since it's a TN but, here's the TFTC review:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_xl2720z.htm

Edit: And someone already did in the time between me opening the thread and actually replying .

[Xyga]

Is that site reliable though?

Not really if you're looking for monitors info.

[Smashbro29]

How is a lousy TN monitor ever ANY option for anything ?

TN?

I just looked up a monitor, looked up the hz and looked up the input lag. Just tell me how far the rabbit hole goes on this.

[Fudoh]

TN, IPS, VA - panel technologies.

TN is fast and allows for fast refresh rates on cheap displays, but has lousy colors and rather bad viewing angles.

[Smashbro29]

So what is a good 27"+ low input lag monitor with a good panel?

[bobrocks95]

See the thread entitled "Display Advice"

[SGGG2]

How is a lousy TN monitor ever ANY option for anything ?

For what this forum's mostly into, retro, console and 2D, not much - but outside of a few outliers, they're the only choices for PC gaming where a high refresh rate is required; competitive FPS games or nVidia 3D vision. Honestly, after experiencing polygonal games in S3D it's difficult to go back to 2D. The same with 60 vs 30fps, and people who play in 2D at 120fps share similar sentiments. Depending on what your needs are there may be some trade offs.

That said, my main display's an Asus 24" IPS passive 3D display. It gets use with desktop computing, 3D gaming, vertical shmups and XRGB stuff. I've grown increasingly frustrated with the limitations of passive @ 1080p - I can't stand ghosting as it detracts from the experience immensely, and am looking to upgrade to passive @ 4K.

[Ed Oscuro]

The third option is to forget about it and hope that technology catches up soon.

Personally, I feel like we are in the middle of a segue, and waiting might be the best idea.

Can't wait to see what happens with this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_phase_mode_LCD

[popn_ponies]

How is a lousy TN monitor ever ANY option for anything ?

For what this forum's mostly into, retro, console and 2D, not much - but outside of a few outliers, they're the only choices for PC gaming where a high refresh rate is required; competitive FPS games or nVidia 3D vision. Honestly, after experiencing polygonal games in S3D it's difficult to go back to 2D. The same with 60 vs 30fps, and people who play in 2D at 120fps share similar sentiments. Depending on what your needs are there may be some trade offs.

That said, my main display's an Asus 24" IPS passive 3D display. It gets use with desktop computing, 3D gaming, vertical shmups and XRGB stuff. I've grown increasingly frustrated with the limitations of passive @ 1080p - I can't stand ghosting as it detracts from the experience immensely, and am looking to upgrade to passive @ 4K.

Are you sure there are any gaming communities that specifically endorse TN panels and not superior display models?

For situations where people really can't be having lag variables than they use a CRT or a really specifically tuned panel. All the PC gamers friends I have who are very serious about gaming or are high level or whatever all use Dell Ultrasharps which are IPS.