Under Defeat for DC

Post by **nZero** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:23 am

Kron wrote:What makes you think I'm American?

I didn't think you were, in fact. I thought you said you were the author of the English language one, on the Under Defeat Q&A. I was talking about the last message on the latest G.Rev Magazine, starting off with "アメリカからこんにちは☆" (Good afternoon from America). I'll just assume you aren't Mr. (or Ms.?) "トラさん".

Kron · Post by **Kron** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:20 am

Ah sorry, I haven't seen the update.

I'd expect news of the Sega Direct set to go up this coming Thursday as they tend to do so 2 months in advance for the recent DC releases.

Sundance · Post by **Sundance** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:39 am

Has anyone heard the soundtrack or enough of it to decide whether its worth picking up the LE Edition vs the Game by itself?

J-Manic · Post by **J-Manic** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:33 am

I've been following this upcoming shmup for a while now, and from the screenshots and replay vids I've seen so far, I'm pretty excited about it. It's probably the closest thing to a sequel to Zero Gunner 2, another awesome shmup by the way. I just hope that it plays super close to the arcade release with little or no slowdown during gameplay.

neoalphazero · Post by **neoalphazero** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:44 am

G.Rev's site even goes as far to say it will be arcade perfect, bold words and ones I don't see them throwing around. *-neo

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:41 am

FYI:

G.Rev says the soundtrack packed with the limited edition will be different from the official soundtrack released two weeks ago.

le geek · Post by **le geek** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:26 pm

Preordered both Under Defeat and Radilgy. Not sure how Radilgy will be but Defeat looks promising...

Cheers,
Ben

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:08 pm

Sundance wrote:Has anyone heard the soundtrack or enough of it to decide whether its worth picking up the LE Edition vs the Game by itself?

Sure. It's decent enough, just not very interesting, I'm sure it'll fit into the game nicely though. Pretty generic VGM synth rock with jazz influences, basically.

Composed and produced by the producer of the Border Down soundtracks (Shinji Hosoe, he did the Ibara OST too), like someone mentioned earlier, but the absence of Yack is very very clear. I never play videogame music on my stereo set, so I'll keep my mp3s and go with the original version.

Then again, I wonder what the differences are in this "reissue" that Seven Force speaks of.

dark penguin · Post by **dark penguin** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:29 pm

Just browsing through the screenshots...the "Frontline" stage looks really cool. The stages are pretty varied and seem to present a nice contrast to one another...
I think I'm going to preorder this

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:26 pm

zinger wrote:the absence of Yack is very very clear.

What a disappointment, I was really looking forward to hearing another great OST from him after his good work on Border Down and Senko No Ronde

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:10 pm

Seven Force wrote:FYI:

G.Rev says the soundtrack packed with the limited edition will be different from the official soundtrack released two weeks ago.

This is what I was wondering about. Considering that the DC version includes an Arrange soundtrack, we should expect the OST CD in the LE set to include these tracks as well as maybe some tracks from the Arcade mode.

Game Rogue · Post by **Game Rogue** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:43 pm

Question.

There is a mode call Tate in this game. What is Tate Mode exactly?

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:05 pm

Thunder Force wrote:
zinger wrote:the absence of Yack is very very clear.
What a disappointment, I was really looking forward to hearing another great OST from him after his good work on Border Down and Senko No Ronde

Well I'm sure it wont be long until we get another smashing soundtrack from him. Maybe G.Rev's next shooter, or something entirely different? He is a freelancer after all.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:08 pm

Game Rogue wrote:Question.

There is a mode call Tate in this game. What is Tate Mode exactly?

"Tate" is japanese and means "vertical".

Thus in "tate mode" the game is displayed for a vertical screen, as in the original arcade version, which means you will have to flip your TV or monitor to the side.

The opposite of "tate mode" is "yoko mode" (horizontal mode). This mode does not require you to flip your screen, but there are black bars to the left and right of the playing field.

Game Rogue · Post by **Game Rogue** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:16 pm

Seven Force wrote:
Game Rogue wrote:Question.

There is a mode call Tate in this game. What is Tate Mode exactly?
"Tate" is japanese and means "vertical".

Very good. Thanks for the info.

Post by **nZero** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:14 pm

Hmm, I wonder if the L.E. will come in a double case like Border Down L.E. or Grandia 2, or if they'll do the SnS2/Trizeal thing with the sleeve and separate jewel case for the soundtrack disc? I might have to clean this shelf up a bit in the next couple of months

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:18 am

Game Rogue wrote:There is a mode call Tate in this game. What is Tate Mode exactly?

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It's not complete yet, and I hope to update it again soon, but hopefully it'll cover some stuff for you.

Game Rogue · Post by **Game Rogue** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:23 pm

Great definition list. Thanks for the link!

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:10 am

Interesting note: the pilots and their support staff speak in German, the baddies in English (assuming that you're the good guy). Also, The girls look like SS officers, honestly (their dresses at least).

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:57 am

The year of mildly controversial shooters.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 4:58 am

Randorama wrote:Interesting note: the pilots and their support staff speak in German, the baddies in English (assuming that you're the good guy). Also, The girls look like SS officers, honestly (their dresses at least).

Actually, they speak more like "Germanese". Their sentences make about as much sense as the usual shmup-Engrish.

And you're absolutely right about the SS uniforms. There often is a morbid fascination with German militarism/fascism in Japanese pop-culture (as is in US pop culture too).

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:26 pm

So after Ikaruga, there's another somewhat racist/fascist shooter.

I can already hear questions on this being asked in parliaments all over the west...

Anyway, we already knew that the Japanese sometimes have a taste for things (puts it mildly) a little bit different.

But as long as they keep producing awesome shmups, I could care less.
The game and it's artwork look fantastic.

chtimi-CLA · Post by **chtimi-CLA** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:02 pm

Seven Force wrote:And you're absolutely right about the SS uniforms. There often is a morbid fascination with German militarism/fascism in Japanese pop-culture (as is in US pop culture too).

that's because the nazis were good at one thing, design. i don't think there is anything to worry about.
sorry for the "lieu commun" but german sounds great in a military environment, nice touch from grev.

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:56 pm

Yeah, the nazi outlets were, after all, designed by the grandfather of Hugo Boss

But yeah, since the war depicted in Under Defeat looks more like "Old Continent vs New Continent", i'm not surprised of this choice. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some kind of cerebrotic reference to current events, honestly, as Border Down's plot was rather contort (please don't make me write it again, though

) .

Beside that, i thought that my german has become very bad of late, whereas they actually speak..."germanish", i feel relieved

(the "jawhol" uttered before a boss battle theme makes me think to the "the postman always rings twice", dunno why...)

SAM · Post by **SAM** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:48 pm

Seven Force wrote:
Randorama wrote:Interesting note: the pilots and their support staff speak in German, the baddies in English (assuming that you're the good guy). Also, The girls look like SS officers, honestly (their dresses at least).
Actually, they speak more like "Germanese". Their sentences make about as much sense as the usual shmup-Engrish.

And you're absolutely right about the SS uniforms. There often is a morbid fascination with German militarism/fascism in Japanese pop-culture (as is in US pop culture too).

But the player's side actually use Franch WWII tanks Char I bis, while the enemy used WWII German tanks... (SAM is confused.)

SAM · Post by **SAM** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:52 pm

Kiken wrote:
Seven Force wrote:FYI:

G.Rev says the soundtrack packed with the limited edition will be different from the official soundtrack released two weeks ago.
This is what I was wondering about. Considering that the DC version includes an Arrange soundtrack, we should expect the OST CD in the LE set to include these tracks as well as maybe some tracks from the Arcade mode.

I really doubt what is included in the OST come with the Limited Edition. Since there is a seperate OST of UD selling, I don't think the LE OST would got everything on the seperatly sold OST. Otherwise no one would but the seperatly sold OST, and those who had bought it would complain.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:55 pm

SAM wrote:
Kiken wrote:
Seven Force wrote:FYI:

G.Rev says the soundtrack packed with the limited edition will be different from the official soundtrack released two weeks ago.
This is what I was wondering about. Considering that the DC version includes an Arrange soundtrack, we should expect the OST CD in the LE set to include these tracks as well as maybe some tracks from the Arcade mode.
I really doubt what is included in the OST come with the Limited Edition. Since there is a seperate OST of UD selling, I don't think the LE OST would got everything on the seperatly sold OST. Otherwise no one would but the seperatly sold OST, and those who had bought it would complain.

There are 14 tracks on the OST, and according to NCSX, there will be 14 tracks on the CD included with the L.E. game, so taking what G.Rev said about them being different, I would assume it's going to be a complete arrange CD.

Post by **nZero** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:11 am

Dag, the Sega Direct release is going to include a B3 Poster!

This is the first time I've been really considering switching from Play-Asia/NCSX pre-order to Sega Direct... usually the extras aren't so tempting.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:50 am

nZero wrote:Dag, the Sega Direct release is going to include a B3 Poster!

This is the first time I've been really considering switching from Play-Asia/NCSX pre-order to Sega Direct... usually the extras aren't so tempting.

FYI play-asia.com is now offering a pre-order for the limited edition Sega Direct package w/ the poster. I think it's $99. Check their site.

Ord · Post by **Ord** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:47 pm

Cool. I've just cancelled my old order and went for the Sega Direct package via Play-Asia.