dcharlie wrote:well - I guess I am just out of touch with gamers - Gamergate (regardless of sjw stuff) is clearly odious shitheads running the show (mike c , Milo, etc - all non gamers and , in Milo's case, someone who hated gamers until they suddenly became "useful")
As I said - not siding with sjws - but pretty surprised/disappointed people are lumping in with Gamergate
I agree with the above post. Milo is an asshole, but he's a good counter for Anita. You know, someone with a name. And he did some good journalist work as well. So, I'm happy about him. Then you have Christina Hoff Summers, who sides with GamerGate. Not a gamer, but not an asshole.
Adam Baldwin, of course, but he is not a gamer at all either.
Actual "gamers", who are sympathetic, or side with GamerGate would be TotalBiscuit (with 2 Million subscribers, he would probably be the biggest one), Boogie (he sympathizes, but isn't all in. but got banned from NeoGAF for his opinions on it.), and AlphaOmegaSin. There's more, but those are bigger names.
People that are gamers (but are known primarily for opinion channels), who keep things going, but don't really say they are GG are Sargon of Akkad, Thunderfoot, and Mundane Matt. Once again, those are off the top of my head. InternetAristocrat was definitely a gamer, but he jumped ship, due to GG not being extreme enough, or something. He was pretty major though.
Liz F is pretty well known as well, and is now a writer on the Escapist.
So is Honey Badger Radio (or GirlWhoWritesWhat primarily), who got banned from the Calgary Expo, for political reasons.
And there's a bite size of information for you. Who are all the assholes you are talking about? Milo? He's a weird one, because he's a gay right wing man, who seems to support everything I don't like in American politics, but when it comes to this I completely agree with him. Strange bed fellows.
Bananamatic wrote:
everything in this shitstorm is thought of as good or bad for some reason, there's no middle ground
just mention gamergate in some places without calling it a hate group and you get instantly banned
Yeah, that's one of the things that have us so upset. It's nuts. I can't see why they haven't had Milo or TotalBiscuit on TV, just as the "counter point" to Wu and Sarkeesian.
It's so one sided, that it's not funny.
And this is making us ALL look bad (GG or not). Just look at that awful Law and Order episode.
Milo raised 10,000 dollars to try and entice Sarkeesian into a debate, but it's not going to happen.
GG is NOT a hate group. If you get in the GG circles on Twitter or Reddit, it is simply not like that. It's misrepresentation on a massive level.
I would just LOVE for a live debate or something, so the general public could make up their own minds about it, rather them getting a one-sided viewpoint on it, from the major News outlets. It's so disheartening to see people you look up to in comics or tv or whatever, and they just think you are absolute scum, if you have GG on your Twitter or whatever. But we're used to it.
On topic, but kind of not...I was watching a RiffTrax lately, and there were a bunch of jock looking dudes, who were sitting around drinking beer, and one of them was quite racist. They joked and said something like it was the birthplace of GG. It made me sad, but it made me laugh as well. We are primarily a bunch geeks and nerds. Not a bunch of jocks!
I wish I looked like the guys they were making jokes about.
I would guarantee that the vast majority of GG are the EXACT opposite, of these guys.
Here's a pic of a GG get together. Not really the jocks and whatever else, they make us out to be, now is it?
And here's a SHORT vid of a get together, with Milo in it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuobI2cska4#t=28