Puzzle & Dragons

[Necronopticous]

Also, do not spend stones to continue in a dungeon.

While it is generally good advice to save your stones, it is sometimes worth continuing in a dungeon. The best example I can think of off the top of my head would be in the case that a descended-tier boss is going to take your team to the next level, and you simply do not have a team that can zero-stone the dungeon. One way to look at it is that it costs 5 stones to roll the Rare Egg Machine, which, in all likelihood, will give you something that doesn't help you at all (especially on the short term). If you spent those same 5 stones continuing in a dungeon that dropped a boss card that is super beneficial to your team, then that was 5 stones well spent.

[Jon]

Just a few more days for that bonus! I should clarify that when I said higher I was referring to szycag. Neither of us is exactly high level compared to the veterans here. Gungho is pretty good at trickling out the magic stones to keep us non IAP players on the hook.

I am curious where you stand in progressing through the main and technical dungeons, guigui. I just unlocked the Creek of Neleus on technical and I am steadily working my way through Jupiter, City in the Sky in the normal dungeons. I unlocked Legendary Dragon's Footprints as well but I got wiped out on the second floor the few times I tried running it (the high stamina cost doesn't help.) I obviously haven't even tried the descends yet. I keep reading that Divine Queen Hera is the first one to tackle but I have only seen her tougher variations available in the special dungeons.

Also, Necronopticous's Awoken Hinokagutsuchi: three TPA's along with a leader skill that does massive damage to all enemies after every orb elimination.

[Necronopticous]

Hah, yeah Awoken Kagu is pretty ridiculous. He's an amazing farming lead and an absolute beast of a sub for end game red or dragon-based teams.

[guigui]

I am curious where you stand in progressing through the main and technical dungeons, guigui. I just unlocked the Creek of Neleus on technical and I am steadily working my way through Jupiter, City in the Sky in the normal dungeons. I unlocked Legendary Dragon's Footprints as well but I got wiped out on the second floor the few times I tried running it (the high stamina cost doesn't help.) I obviously haven't even tried the descends yet. I keep reading that Divine Queen Hera is the first one to tackle but I have only seen her tougher variations available in the special dungeons.

I am rank 124. In Technical, I finished the conditionnal dungeons (one color allowed, no orb of that color) which I had lot of fun with. Mythic Stone Dragon Cave and Mechdragons Massive Fortress are unlocked, did not try them at all. I Normal, same point as you : cleared Mars Crater and unlocked Jupiter yesterday night. Mars Crater was no match for my Rodin team. I did not try Legendary Dragons Footprints either.
Now I wont be able to delay anymore and will have to tackle those high stamina cost dungeons.

Well, now is time to Godfest ...

EDIT : Godfest not started as of now, disappoint.

[Aisha]

I keep reading that Divine Queen Hera is the first one to tackle but I have only seen her tougher variations available in the special dungeons.

Vanilla Hera is no longer a rotational descend. She now appears in her own Normal Dungeon called Divine Queen's Sleepless Castle. If I remember correctly, it becomes unlocked when you clear Legendary Dragons' Footprints. Clearing Hera unlocks Two Heroes, which was also a descend at one point; it gives you access to Berserk (Siegfried) and Highlander (Cu Chulainn).

On the Technical side, Zeus' dungeon opens up after you clear Mythic Stone Dragon Cave. It also used to be a descend, but was demoted a while back.

I am rank 124. In Technical, I finished the conditionnal dungeons (one color allowed, no orb of that color) which I had lot of fun with. Mythic Stone Dragon Cave and Mechdragons Massive Fortress are unlocked, did not try them at all. I Normal, same point as you : cleared Mars Crater and unlocked Jupiter yesterday night. Mars Crater was no match for my Rodin team. I did not try Legendary Dragons Footprints either.
Now I wont be able to delay anymore and will have to tackle those high stamina cost dungeons.

Mythic Stone Dragon Cave is a handy dungeon to have access to. It allows you to farm all but Rainbow and Gold Keepers any day of the week. I think the base drop rate for them is about 40%. It also has regular *lits and Mythlits.

Mechdragons' Massive Fortress allows you to make this guy, provided that you can somehow get your hands on a Keeper of Gold. He's one of the best dark devil subs that can be farmed, so if you ever make a Nephthys team, you'll definitely want to have him on it unless you have better REM subs.

Although both dungeons can be pretty difficult to clear.

[guigui]

Wow, thanks for the tip about Hadar. I did not know this guy, not sure if I can clear the dungeon though.
I have not made a Dark Team, even though I have Nephthys, Yomi and Lilith.


Godfest is on, five pretty good rolls so far :
- Purple Grimoire http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1757
- Freyr http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=368
- Sun Quan http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1233
- DQXQ http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1237
- Bastet http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=494

Then I rolled a sixth time and got Pierdrawn http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=301

I have two rolls left, will try them later once my luck is rejuvenated.

[cave hermit]

I stopped playing awhile ago since I got butt hurt over my shitty luck on the REM. However I kept logging in daily for magic stones just in case. It's godfest again, and I got 11 stones to use.

I rolled Archdemon Baal and Incarnation of Suzaku.

Apparently the game only trolls for as long as it's able to get a reaction from you that way. Once you stop caring it gives up and drops good stuff.

[guigui]

You did well to roll twice Cave Hermit, this way you stole my luck and my last rolls were pretty bad. Summary of this godfest :

- Purple Grimoire http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1757
- Freyr http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=368
- Sun Quan http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1233
- DQXQ http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1237
- Bastet http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=494
- Dark Golem http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=86
- Laila http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1614

I think I'll focus on Sun Quan to give a good sub to my Blue Odin.

[Jon]

^^^Your luck with RNG in this game is strong. I would love a Bastet or DXQX for my team.

This was my worst godfest so far with five rolls getting me LMetatron, Dragonette, Light Dragon Swordsman and two!, count 'em, two! Shaitans.

[Aisha]

You did well to roll twice Cave Hermit, this way you stole my luck and my last rolls were pretty bad. Summary of this godfest :

- Purple Grimoire http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1757
- Freyr http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=368
- Sun Quan http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1233
- DQXQ http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1237
- Bastet http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=494
- Dark Golem http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=86
- Laila http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1614

I think I'll focus on Sun Quan to give a good sub to my Blue Odin.

Since you pulled DQXQ, you might want to consider making a team around her. It will be more challenging at first, because you have to attack with four different colors when you want to do real damage (or 3 colors + hearts), but DQXQ is a relatively easy 16x leader with no strict sub requirements. She will allow you to clear some descends and more challenging dungeons. And she's still a popular lead, so finding friends with her shouldn't be a problem.

But wait, there's more. DQXQ is a God/Healer. You have Sun Quan, also a Healer, whose active skill boosts Healer damage by 2x for two turns (and adds a 2 turn delay). So for Healer cards, that 16x damage boost from the leader skill turns into 32x, which is great when you need to burst against bosses with several million HP.

To start with, you could try DQXQ - Echidna - D/L Yomi - Sun Quan - * - DQXQ. Yomi isn't a Healer, but his active skill allows you to freely move orbs for 10 seconds, allowing you to easily activate DQXQ's leader skill and trip any TPAs or rows on your team, so it's useful for ensuring that you deal a lot of damage against bosses. * can be anything, maybe Blue Odin for his HP, or another Healer for more synergy.

Looking at your box, I'd personally work towards:

L/B DQXQ - D/L Yomi - B/G Sun Quan - L/G Valkyrie - B/L Famiel - L/B DQXQ

When you reach a boss, activate in order, Famiel (convert all orbs to light, dark, blue, and green) -> Sun Quan -> Yomi -> trigger DQXQ's leader skill. I went with Famiel here based on my assumption that her active skill is guaranteed to generate at least 3 orbs of each color, but if it doesn't then it might be better to use another card.

But like I wrote at the start, DQXQ offers a lot of flexibility, so you could go in a whole other direction with her.

EDIT: And just before Part 1 of the Godfest expires, I pull DQXQ myself. I really wanted Liu Bei or Sun Quan, but I didn't score either this time.

[guigui]

Aisha, thanks a lot for opening my eyes on DQXQ potential. Up to now I always played with unconditionnal multiplier since I found them easier to use.
I'll definitely form that team you mention and try it on harder dungeon.
About the * card, I have another DQXQ (mini though) AND another Sun Quan (also mini). But their types, actives, base stats, remain the same.

If I get it correctly : DQXQ/Sun-Quan/Sun-Quan/Famiel/Echidna/DQXQ will net me x64 multi on a turn, which allows for tremendous damage ?

Also, I'd like to tackle Thursday mythical, but see that the fruits have a barrier that nullifies Echidna or Sun-Quan delay. Do you think I can deal enough damage to one-shot them, or should I switch subs for that particular dungeon ?

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[Aisha]

Yeah, that's the trade-off. Unconditional leaders are easier to use, but they typically require support from very specific subs in order to tackle more challenging dungeons, and you are out of luck if the REM doesn't give them to you. Color-conditional leaders like DQXQ or combo-conditional leaders like Bastet have a higher learning curve and require more skill to play, but as a result they usually have stronger leader skills and more flexibility when it comes to selection of subs.

Unfortunately, damage-enhancing active skills don't stack; the one used last always takes precedence. If you want to deal more than 32x damage with a DQXQ team, pray that you pull an Arcline or Muse. You can also farm a King Shynee for 48x Healer damage, but King Shynee's stats are so bad that I think you're better off with Sun Quan.

I'm not sure what teams you're trying to clear Thursday Mythical with so it's hard to say. Looking at your box, maybe something like

Awoken Phantom God, Odin - King Flamie - Freyr, the Blazing Swordsman - conquering martial deity, cao cao - Inferno Sorcerer, Laila - Awoken Phantom God, Odin

Once fully awakened, this team has 9 fire row enhance awakenings, and everyone has an Attacker typing. Red Odins boost fire damage by 6.25x, King Flamie boosts Attacker damage by 3x, so 18.75x total. On the last floor, I'd estimate that you need to make 2 red rows in the same turn, which is why you have cao cao and Laila there. If you get orb trolled early on, don't hesitate to use cao cao or Laila, because you can always stall for skills on the TAMADRA before the boss. Still, I don't know if this will work, and it will take some time to get the team together.

[cave hermit]

Anyone know if unparalleled destructive strike and devilish enhancement stack if cast on the same turn?

Also how long do I have to stack plus egg fodder until it's worth it to fuse into an actual monster?

[guigui]

Hey Hermit, glad to see you back. We were about the same rank and I used your Guan Yu a lot.

Anyone know if unparalleled destructive strike and devilish enhancement stack if cast on the same turn?

As Aisha said just one post up : damage-enhancing active skills don't stack; the one used last always takes precedence.
I never experienced this myself, but it looks like the two actives you mention fall in that category :
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/skill.asp?s=558
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/skill.asp?s=192

Also how long do I have to stack plus egg fodder until it's worth it to fuse into an actual monster?

Same question here, currently carrying a +13 carbuncle.

Also, what the heck is the +egg drop rate ? I read that Sea God of Heaven (Neptune boss) is supposed to have a good +eggs drop rate. I did run it about 15 times last weekend, during a x1.5 drop rate event, and got exactly 2 +eggs, out of about 80 egg drops. Is this supposed to be good ?

Again Aisha, thanks for all the tips, I'll dedicate my first Thursday Mythical clear to you.

[Aisha]

+Eggs are pretty rare, so unless you refresh your Stamina with stones during opportune times, getting a +297 monster can take months. I got my first and so far only +297 after maybe 200 days of playing.

Which dungeon to run for +Eggs depends on the day of the week and what event bonuses are active.

When "x5 +Egg rate for Technical Dungeons" is on during an event:
-Starry View Lane: This guerrilla dungeon may come around for only an hour and has the best base +Egg drop rate in the game. If you're going to spend Magic Stones to farm +Eggs, do it here.
-Door of Light and Shadow at Forbidden Tower: This Technical Dungeon does not have Pengdra, so the pool of monsters that can drop with +stats isn't as diluted as in most other Technical Dungeons. Good to run on Mondays with the 1.5x drop rate bonus for Technical Dungeons.
-Mechdragons' Massive Fortress: Expensive Stamina-wise, but the base drop-rate is pretty good even outside of Mondays. You also get quite a bit of rank experience, fodder experience, and coins. I have my best luck with +Eggs here.

When "x5 +Egg rate for Technical Dungeons" isn't on:
-Starry View Lane: Still good, but you might not want to stone, unless you are rich.
-Tier 5 & 6 Normal Dungeons: Just run the fourth floor of whatever Tier 5 or 6 Normal Dungeon that has a 1.5x drop rate bonus, which rotates throughout the day.
-Sea God of Heaven at Ocean of Heaven or King of the Gods at Starlight Sanctuary: On weekends, these have a 1.5x drop rate bonus. I like the latter because it has the best experience:Stamina ratio outside of Alt. Coin Dungeons. Neither has been all that good to me when it comes to +Eggs though.

As far as feeding +Eggs is concerned, I divide my +Eggs by stat and store them on three tier 1 slimes. I feed them off to my main cards once they reach +33. You can find guides that outline efficient feeding plans but I look at them and see them as more micromanagement then I want to deal with. You can get a ton of Coins from the weekend dungeons so money is eventually not an issue.

[cave hermit]

Against my better judgement I rolled the REM during the midnight gala to try and get another good monster for my devil team.

I ended up getting a fire wizard Laila, which is still pretty good, although I'm not sure what to do with it. Maybe I could start a team with that Suzaku I rolled earlier...

[Necronopticous]

When "x5 +Egg rate for Technical Dungeons" isn't on:
-Starry View Lane: Still good, but you might not want to stone, unless you are rich.

The 5x modifier doesn't affect Starry View Lane since it is a Special-type dungeon. Provided you have a pretty decent amount of stamina (maybe 120+ or 150+) and can clear it easily, it's always worth stoning for stamina refresh every time it is up. It is far and away the best and most important farming dungeon in the game for high-level play. If I have the hour free, I can regularly manage in the neighborhood of 60-70 +eggs each time it pops up. I just hypermaxed my Pandora on yesterday's appearance which is my sixth hypermax. Haku is next, and she's sitting at just over +100 now. My +297 cards, in the order which I plussed them, are:

1) Light Valkyrie
2) Echidna
3) Red Sonia
4) Dark Metatron
5) Kagutsuchi
6) Pandora

[guigui]

Against my better judgement I rolled the REM during the midnight gala to try and get another good monster for my devil team.

I ended up getting a fire wizard Laila, which is still pretty good, although I'm not sure what to do with it. Maybe I could start a team with that Suzaku I rolled earlier...

Laila is pretty good, her active helped me a lot. Be sure to evolve her to get secondary fire attribute, and awaken her.

As for + eggs, I start to get them more regularly now than I have access to higher tier normal dungeons, thanks to Aisha for the tips.
Starry View Lane looks good as Necro says. Unfortunately, because of time-shift, it always happens at something like 4am here (as does Tamadra Village), and I'm not ready to wake up in the middle of the night for this game ... yet.

Evo Carnival is up again at the PEM. I rolled 20 times and got 2x Red Dragon Fruits, Jewel of Water, Angelit, pretty good I must say.
Also, it seems that Blue Odin ultimate is on its way to NA server, nice !

[cave hermit]

I had 5 green dragon fruits sitting around in my monster box, so I decided to ult-evolve myself a Wind Twin Star Fafnir to use sometime in the future.

I'm still hoping for the evo PEM to drop an Angelit so I can ult-evo my Lightning Archdemon Baal.

Currently I've been using a devil light dark team with Baal, Shin, a King Baddie, and an Echidna (delay is such a simple, yet vital skill) all led by lu bu (the chibi version): I've been getting through most of the tier 4 dungeons (the ones immediately following Castle of Satan) using them (I got stuck at Hyperion lava flow awhile back and stopped playing for awhile). I doubt I'll be able to progress for awhile after finishing this tier though; apparently one of the dungeons in the following tier has a boss that attacks for nearly 9000 damage every turn, and has over 20,000 hp along with dublit level defenses

I'm actually trying to raise up a Leilan, although I'm not sure which ult evo I want to do with it yet.

I'm also debating if I should fuse my two red spirit jewels into her for a skill-up chance, if I should wait for more jewels, or if I should save them for evos...

Edit: I decided to fuse my jewels, but I only got one skill up. Suppose one is better than none, especially given that the maximum chance of a skill up is 20%...

[Jon]

^^^I just rolled a second green dragon fruit from the rare evo machine and plan to do the exact same thing with my Fafnir. I am thinking he might be a good sub on my Verdandi team and the artwork is much better than the palette swapped art of the other Fafnir ults.

I would hold onto that Angelit if you do manage to roll one. I used the first one I got on my Baal and ended up regretting it pretty fast. So many gods need one or even two for their better ult evolutions. That R/L Leilan does have some nice awakenings.

Looks like we have an upcoming Greco-Roman godfest starting tomorrow.

[cave hermit]

Is it ok if I've been stacking plus egg fodder just by overall + value rather than by the specific stat boosted? It didn't occur to me to do individual stats, and I almost have 2 +36 fodders with assorted stat boosts.

If it isn't a bad idea, I'm thinking of feeding the resulting +72 fodder to my Leilan, but I don't know if this is going to cause problems down the road when I need that last +1 to RCV to +297 it later down the road...

Also I've decided if I do manage to roll an Angelit, I'm going to use it for Leilan. Too bad the machine refuses to give me one: it has given me 2 devilits and even a keeper of gold, but no Angelit. I swear as soon as I stop caring it'll just drop one like it's nothing...

Sucks that the machine can give ANY evo material, including stuff like dragon seeds or tier one x-lits...

[Necronopticous]

Is it ok if I've been stacking plus egg fodder just by overall + value rather than by the specific stat boosted? It didn't occur to me to do individual stats, and I almost have 2 +36 fodders with assorted stat boosts.

If it isn't a bad idea, I'm thinking of feeding the resulting +72 fodder to my Leilan, but I don't know if this is going to cause problems down the road when I need that last +1 to RCV to +297 it later down the road...

It's fine. You can start paying attention to individual +eggs once you get close to +99 in any given stat.

[guigui]

Godfest is on, had 3 rolls

- Artemis
- Dark Golem, my second one that will just feed the first hoping for skill up.
- Red Odin ! Again , my second one that will just stay here.

Been grinding some mechdragon fortress and made myself a god canope green dragon, cool sub, no ?

[Necronopticous]

Rolled once last night. Light Kali #3. Hmm...

Red Odin ! Again , my second one that will just stay here.

There are very good reasons to have two (or even three) red Odins. For example, this is a major component of being able to form a team that can farm Friday Mythical in less than a minute with 100% success. Consider yourself lucky!

[BrianC]

Demo for Puzzle and Dragons SMB 3DS is out now.

edit: Tried the demo and I like it. Intro course is super easy, but the only other course included in the demo is surprisingly challenging. I like how the presets for that course are a mixed team and a mostly ice team. Demo is unlimited, unlike previous demos that had a limited number of uses.

[Aisha]

I was hoping to get Venus, Apollo, Minerva, or Verdandi from today's Godfest, but with the three pulls I held myself to, I got light Kali plus some junk instead. I'm pretty happy with that since I was looking for a color-conditional team and was preparing to make one led by DQXQ, but Kali is better.

[cave hermit]

I only have enough stones for one roll (probably shouldn't have YOLO rolled twice during the dark gala), and I'm going to save it for tomorrow to try and get another Chinsee celestial or an Indian god.

Also I evolved my Leilan today to her second stage (pre ult-evo) and fed her a red snowglobe dragon which sent her from level 1 to level 88 (unfortunately I didn't get an exp. bonus)! Now I just have to hope to roll an Angelit from the PEM...

[cave hermit]

I rolled a Chrono Turtle today; it has really high HP and a time extend active, but I doubt I could make use of it with my current leaders.

[cave hermit]

I ran some challenge mode dungeons for more magic stones and rolled again.

I was so excited when I got a gold egg, and when it hatched..

...it turned out to be an evolved blue toy dragon.

This game is bullshit.

[Necronopticous]

The REM giveth, and the REM taketh away.