What's Iran doing?

[The n00b]

http://www.iran-press-service.com/artic ... 141201.htm

I just hope the U.S. doesn't get involved because Iraq is just too much right now.

Maybe some European country or China could take over here...

[Stormwatch]

The only countries with the cojones to do anything against those scoundrels nowadays are probably USA and Israel.

[Super Laydock]

I give it 4 months at the most before Israel bombs any and probably all Iranian nuclear facilities.

They have my blessings!

[Fighter17]

I give it 4 months at the most before Israel bombs any and probably all Iranian nuclear facilities.

They have my blessings!

Second, for being a Jew and having a father who came from Israel.

[Brian]

Israel has already went on record saying they would never allow a nuke Iran. I would personally bless Israel bombing them, but I am sure this will start an even bigger and more bloody war.

[The n00b]

Israel has already went on record saying they would never allow a nuke Iran. I would personally bless Israel bombing them, but I am sure this will start an even bigger and more bloody war.

Supposedly Iran has learned from Iraq's failure at nukes and spread their nuclear capabilities out by putting them in seperate far away locations. Iran has also made sure to build many of their nuclear facilities far underground in order to keep them from being destroyed by airstrikes. So there is no way to militarily destroy Iran's nuclear capability without a long bloody ground war.

Iran has to know that after the Iraq war, no one seriously wants another war in the middle east. The U.S. and Israel have absolutely lost their taste for war and well I doubt the E.U. could take on a war on the scale that it would take to take down Iran. Iran also has to know that NO COUNTRY can afford to have an Iran armed with nukes. Their government is just far too idiotic right now and has no idea how dangerous nukes really are. Nuking Israel would completely destroy a huge area of the middle east, not just one country.

So basically the best option still lies at the negotiating table. The world just can't afford a war with Iran, nuclear or otherwise.

[neorichieb1971]

The EU will not interfere without US assistance thats for sure.

Whats more important is if the people of Iran think its worth fighting for anyway. Iran is much more powerful than Iraq has been recently, but they don't have the technology to fight a ground war on that kind of terrain. Its madness which ever way you look at it.

Iran with nukes is like a 5 year old with a shotgun, their more likely to hurt themselves than anyone else. Then its likely after such an event the neighboring countries will be in pannick mode..

Might be a tactical ploy to spread the US thin across the continent, Israel sounds more like distraction from the real deal here.

[Acid King]

The EU will not interfere without US assistance thats for sure.

Whats more important is if the people of Iran think its worth fighting for anyway. Iran is much more powerful than Iraq has been recently, but they don't have the technology to fight a ground war on that kind of terrain. Its madness which ever way you look at it.

Iran with nukes is like a 5 year old with a shotgun, their more likely to hurt themselves than anyone else. Then its likely after such an event the neighboring countries will be in pannick mode..

Might be a tactical ploy to spread the US thin across the continent, Israel sounds more like distraction from the real deal here.

I don't think there is any real threat from most any country holding nuclear weapons atleast militarily. Nuclear weapons are more of a bargaining chip than anything else. The only people with balls enough to use nuclear weapons offensively are ideological non-state actors like Al Qaeda. I don't think any existing state actually has the sac to use a nuclear weapon since it means instantaneous and complete annihilation from retaliatory strikes. Countries like Iran, Iraq and North Korea know that just the threat of them using nukes assures their safety once they have them, that it would force the US and everyone else to the bargaining table because no one wants to risk a nuclear attack.

[neorichieb1971]

Nuclear weapons are stupid. Just imagine in Resident evil, you could complete the game in one hit.

[Specineff]

We're talking about people who have no qualms about strapping bombs to boys and girls and blow them up. You think they care about the trade winds poisoning their land and their air, as long as they get things their way? (Like Israel wiped from the face of the earth.)

[AWJ]

We're talking about people who have no qualms about strapping bombs to boys and girls and blow them up.

Any country that drops a nuke on a US ally is just signing its own destruction order. And the leaders of the countries in question are very much aware of that. The powers that run Iran are all kinds of nasty, but they aren't stupid and they aren't suicidally insane. Yes, Iran may fund suicide bombers, but have you heard of any members of the Council of Whatever-they-call-themselves personally strapping on a bomb belt?

[CMoon]

Nuclear weapons are stupid. Just imagine in Resident evil, you could complete the game in one hit.

Hahaha, another sig file...

[The n00b]

We're talking about people who have no qualms about strapping bombs to boys and girls and blow them up.

Any country that drops a nuke on a US ally is just signing its own destruction order. And the leaders of the countries in question are very much aware of that. The powers that run Iran are all kinds of nasty, but they aren't stupid and they aren't suicidally insane. Yes, Iran may fund suicide bombers, but have you heard of any members of the Council of Whatever-they-call-themselves personally strapping on a bomb belt?

What's worrying is that Iran's leadership has gotten very close with Islamic fundy armageddon cults lately. I think the people of Iran are getting tired of their radical fundy leadership so the fundy's are searching for support where ever they can get it. Iran's president and a few leading clerics are getting a little too close to these cults though...even when looking for support.

[shariar07]

I give it 4 months at the most before Israel bombs any and probably all Iranian nuclear facilities.

They have my blessings!

Second, for being a Jew and having a father who came from Israel.

Just because some asshole iranian president said he hated jews, you think that the whole Iranian public hate jews this is wrong. You guys don't understand everything in Iran (media, clothes, tv channels, music, reading materials, school system) is controlled by the cleriks, mulahs, and other fucking idiots (with turbans i hope they all die). It is wrong to kill all Iranian's, most of the countries population are 25yrs (55%). Their hands are tied, they need a revolution to get ride of the mullahs and cleriks who are ruining a proud nation. The only thing you hear out of Iran is what the President says, not what the public think. They don't have the right to disagree or they will be executed. There were numerous school demonstrations against the regime last year and most of the trouble maker kids got placed in jail and some even got executed. I am really ashamed of some of you guys mentioning its okay to destroy all of Iran's population.

[Super Laydock]

I give it 4 months at the most before Israel bombs any and probably all Iranian nuclear facilities.

They have my blessings!

Second, for being a Jew and having a father who came from Israel.

I am really ashamed of some of you guys mentioning its okay to destroy all of Iran's population.

I am really ashamed of you for not being able to read properly!

Noone said it is ok to destroy Irans population! They are indeed the ones suffering the most from the idiots leading the country there. I really hope the people of Iran do overturn there government.
At the moment I fully support bombing the nuclear facilities though.

[Turrican]

I am really ashamed of you for not being able to read properly!

Noone said it is ok to destroy Irans population! They are indeed the ones suffering the most from the idiots leading the country there. I really hope the people of Iran do overturn there government.
At the moment I fully support bombing the nuclear facilities though.

Come on Laydock, don't tell me you believe the fairy tale of "intelligent bombing"... whenever the army bombs some targets, there are always lots of casualties.
Heck, iirc they bombed a Chinese embassy in the ex-jugoslavia, and a tv station too... By mistake, of course

[Zweihander]

for me, the colors of the American flag symbolize as follows:

red = the blood of innocents
white = the US's inherant "white pride", i.e. "we're better than the rest of you" mentality.
blue = the tears cried by widows and children when their family member falls on foreign soil.

...really makes me ashamed to live on this goddamn continent known as "north america", the land stolen from its original inhabitants...

..i am SO moving to Japan when I get my degree in Game Design/animation, and a few years of Japanese under my belt...

[Super Laydock]

Come on Laydock, don't tell me you believe the fairy tale of "intelligent bombing"... whenever the army bombs some targets, there are always lots of casualties.

I do certainly NOT believe in the faity tale you are reffering to (is it an Andersen btw!? )!
I also do NOT believe in nuclear facilities in neighbourhoods with lots of normal civilians to though!

And I just responded to the allegation of me (or Fighter17 who was also quoted) being in favour of the distruction of Iran's population. Neither of us said (or wants) anything like that. I don't like it when people put words in my mouth that aren't mine!

[Turrican]

I do certainly NOT believe in the faity tale you are reffering to (is it an Andersen btw!? )!
I also do NOT believe in nuclear facilities in neighbourhoods with lots of normal civilians to though!

Well, Iraq WMD were hidden into some experimental trucks which had biolabs inside but just looked normal on the outside, and they were constantly moving around Baghdad streets to avoid being found... All this according to Colin Powell, of course. A storyteller, but not as good as Andersen

And I just responded to the allegation of me (or Fighter17 who was also quoted) being in favour of the distruction of Iran's population. Neither of us said (or wants) anything like that. I don't like it when people put words in my mouth that I didn't say.

Yes, I know, I read carefully. Love & Peace

[The n00b]

for me, the colors of the American flag symbolize as follows:

red = the blood of innocents
white = the US's inherant "white pride", i.e. "we're better than the rest of you" mentality.
blue = the tears cried by widows and children when their family member falls on foreign soil.

...really makes me ashamed to live on this goddamn continent known as "north america", the land stolen from its original inhabitants...

..i am SO moving to Japan when I get my degree in Game Design/animation, and a few years of Japanese under my belt...

Rock on brother. FIGHT THE POWA, FIGHT THE POWAS THAT BE!

Now for "intelliget bombing" and holding "Iran's civilian population responsible for their government." There are ongoing negotiations to stop Iran from getting nukes. I know if Iran's mullahs are clicking the nuke button, like it's going out of style, the apologies of the people of Iran will comfort me as I'm either vaporized or die from any number of rare forms of nuke induced cancer.

Nukes cannot be "aimed" to avoid civilian casualties. Pinpoint accuracy just wasn't in the design plan when they were made. I really doubt Iran are trying to develop the first nuclear missile that will only kill the "bad" Israeli people and leave the rest of us unharmed.

[Acid King]

Any country that drops a nuke on a US ally is just signing its own destruction order. And the leaders of the countries in question are very much aware of that. The powers that run Iran are all kinds of nasty, but they aren't stupid and they aren't suicidally insane. Yes, Iran may fund suicide bombers, but have you heard of any members of the Council of Whatever-they-call-themselves personally strapping on a bomb belt?

Exactly. Even though they are buddy buddy with Islamic militant organizations, I don't think they would feed them nukes to attack Israel because it would mean the end of Iran. As Shariar said, the problem in Iran is the clerics and the government. Reform is slow, but progress is being made and unless the clerics decide that the eradication of Israel is more important than their survival, they would never dare attack them. They may play up the card, but they would never do it.

for me, the colors of the American flag symbolize as follows:

red = the blood of innocents
white = the US's inherant "white pride", i.e. "we're better than the rest of you" mentality.
blue = the tears cried by widows and children when their family member falls on foreign soil.

To me, the colors of the Japanese flag symbolize as follows:

white = Japan's inherent "white pride", i.e. "we're better than the rest of you" mentality.
red = the blood of the 370,000 killed at the Rape of Nanking and the thousands of other victims of war crimes during world war 2.

...really makes me ashamed to live on these goddamn islands known as "Japan", the land where a significant portion of the population denies that such war crimes ever happened and who glorify and enshrine war criminals. [/sarcasm off]

[AWJ]

Their hands are tied, they need a revolution to get ride of the mullahs and cleriks who are ruining a proud nation.

However, it should be mentioned at this point that just about the stupidest, most counterproductive thing the US could do is try to "help things along" by bombing (or, God forbid, invading) I remember a while ago one of those ex-communist neoconservative eggheads (Ledeen, maybe?) suggested that bombing Iran would be just the ticket to get the revolution underway--the people would "see that their leaders were unable to protect them, and turn against them." Whoever it was, he just showed that his ideas about human nature bear no more resemblance to reality than they did when he was a Leninist.

Remember, Bush's approval ratings jumped from 50% to 90% overnight on 9/11. THAT'S what happens in the real world when a country with some internal divisions, but a strong sense of national identity, gets attacked by an outsider.

[neorichieb1971]

You think the US will only retaliate if a US ally is attacked? Get real!


Even if France got attacked, or Egypt, or Nigeria by a nuke it stands that a nuke was used. Once this happens, it does not matter where it lands, action will be taken against the perpetrators.

Knowing Bush, he will blame Iraq even it came from China.

[AWJ]

You think the US will only retaliate if a US ally is attacked? Get real!

I hate to say it, but I think Israel, for example, might just get away with nuking certain Mideastern countries (by "get away with" I mean the response would be condemnation and sanctions rather than ICBMs). In any case it would be very different than if it was Iran or Pakistan who became the first country to use a nuke in anger since WW2.