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Another PVM killed in transit

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Inspired by BlackStealth08's thread about his PVM-1943MD (here) I thought I might give my wreck a shot too.

I bought a PVM 1354Q on eBay back in May last year. When opening the box I quickly realized something wasn't quite ok. The monitor had been shipped front down. The back piece was cracked and sorta hanging into the monitor.
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Removing the case it was more than obvious. The neck PCB was severely cracked. After a swift email conversation with the seller I received a replacement unit but I still hope to revive this one (unless someone tells me it's not doable).
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The tube still looks intact and I suppose I should start by testing it with the neck card from the working unit to see if it powers up. I'm not sure if the neck card is salvageable or if it's even worth it, but I'm quite sure it's beyond my skills :oops: I guess one option would be to find a replacement in case there's one floating around out there.

So what's the verdict - try or toss?
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... looks like broken traces soooo ... maybe fixable with only a bit of solder...

However the kind of force that it took to do that - given that it's not a massive weighty tube - makes me wonder if you won't simply be chasing all kinds of other broken bits...

I wouldn't sacrifice as working unit to test...

On the other hand - as long as you've got your replacement/insurance/refund sorted and done - give it a go?

The worst that can happen is that something damaged blows when you plug it in (being why I wouldn't risk sacrificing a working unit's parts), but since it's already fcked you're not losing anything by fixing up any obvious physical damage and giving it a go :)
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The neck board is history, don't take chances trying to cobble it back together.
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system11 wrote:The neck board is history, don't take chances trying to cobble it back together.
I take your word for it. I suspected I was grasping for straws :( That leaves me with the chances that someone has a non working 1354 with a (hopefully) working neck board I could adopt :|
gray117 wrote:However the kind of force that it took to do that - given that it's not a massive weighty tube - makes me wonder if you won't simply be chasing all kinds of other broken bits...

I wouldn't sacrifice as working unit to test...
Yeah, that thought has passed my mind too. Lets see if I get the guts to give it a try or just play safe and use it as paperweight :P
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If they shipped it face down, they actually did all they could to prepare it for the consumer shipping service. There shouldn't have been any force on the plastic back shell to do that - obviously, the usual has happened and the "package" was turned all around and upside down during its trip - oh, and dropped too. I hope the next roll of the dice doesn't come up snake eyes again - actually I wish I could know what the real loss rate for shipping PVMs was. It can't be terrific though.

We're not quite at the point where it makes economic sense to try and have replacement PCBs made - or even, in many cases, to ship them properly - and we might not ever be actually; better tech might eventually do in the venerable CRT for retrogaming purposes. As it is, unfortunately it's still cheaper to just try again, as you're doing.

Maybe this is a sign that you should look up consumer, component-carrying Trinitrons (or other quality TV brands) in your area. The RGB to component boxes should work fine for a lot of material.
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That sucks man. I would keep the parts just encase. Got to love it when shipping companies don't care and just throw it around. Mine was shipped in 5 layers of thick bubble wrap and plastic wrap and it ended up getting impaled by a fork lift through the shipping process. Obviously someone was drunk.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:If they shipped it face down, they actually did all they could to prepare it for the consumer shipping service. There shouldn't have been any force on the plastic back shell to do that - obviously, the usual has happened and the "package" was turned all around and upside down during its trip - oh, and dropped too. I hope the next roll of the dice doesn't come up snake eyes again - actually I wish I could know what the real loss rate for shipping PVMs was. It can't be terrific though.

We're not quite at the point where it makes economic sense to try and have replacement PCBs made - or even, in many cases, to ship them properly - and we might not ever be actually; better tech might eventually do in the venerable CRT for retrogaming purposes. As it is, unfortunately it's still cheaper to just try again, as you're doing.

Maybe this is a sign that you should look up consumer, component-carrying Trinitrons (or other quality TV brands) in your area. The RGB to component boxes should work fine for a lot of material.
It really depends on who ships the PVM. I have had over 30 PVM's/BVM's shipped to me over the past two years. I have had about 12 BVM's/PVM's come via UPS, all sustained damage that could not be fixed (mostly shadow mask damage). The rest of the shipments went via fedex and the only monitors I have lost via fedex were due to poor packaging (talking only 3), I have yet to lose a CRT that was properly packaged that came via fedex.

I was talking to a retired Sony tech this week that I bought a BVM off of. The first BVM he shipped came via UPS and the shadow mask was damaged on the right side of the monitor. When he called to bitch a fit over the phone the UPS phone operator told him that packages shipped via UPS must be able to withstand a five foot fall. Apparently there is a five foot fall somewhere in their main hubs now where one conveyor belt dumps packages onto another. They do not filter fragile packages off this line leaving them to take the full brunt of the fall. On top of that there is a chance your package will not move out of the way fast enough (still bouncing from the fall) and another large package can fall on top of it and crush it. There is nothing to pad the fall.

Sooooo moral of the story is shipping a CRT of any size via UPS is a HUGE gamble, I do not recommend it. Fedex however does not do this shitty little drop and will treat packages marked as fragile with more care (if they catch them that is, they don't all the time). Also never ship economy, the more time in transit the more time it has a chance of getting damaged. Always at least ship the standard services. Fedex will usually ship a 14 inch PVM for 30-40 (unless shipping to new york for some reason) and 20's for around 55-75.
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BlackStealth08 wrote:That sucks man. I would keep the parts just encase. Got to love it when shipping companies don't care and just throw it around. Mine was shipped in 5 layers of thick bubble wrap and plastic wrap and it ended up getting impaled by a fork lift through the shipping process. Obviously someone was drunk.
UPS or Fedex?
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Thanks for those numbers, Skips! 3 over FedEx isn't a huge number - my 20L5 arrived via FedEx. It wasn't totally destroyed but I do believe it sustained some bumps from them. Unfortunately I don't recall (or have any ability to check) what the shipping service was anymore. It was quite sturdily packed though.

Ultimately it's hard to say, even with a seemingly large data set, who is best or worst. Remember this test? I was inclined to say the results fit in with my expectations, but again this is really low numbers.

What I think makes most sense is to realize that any of these carriers can damage a package and so should be avoided where possible.
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BlackStealth08 wrote:That sucks man. I would keep the parts just encase. Got to love it when shipping companies don't care and just throw it around. Mine was shipped in 5 layers of thick bubble wrap and plastic wrap and it ended up getting impaled by a fork lift through the shipping process. Obviously someone was drunk.
The packaging was neatly done in my case as well. Several layers of thick bubble wrap and an extra thick box. It was shipped from Cali to Sweden in 3-4 days time (not UPS, but I'm not sure who delivered it). My guess would be a nasty drop or package turned up side down.

I'm constantly looking for consumer grade Trinitrons here in Sweden (PVM's/BVM's are quite scarce here and still fetch hefty prices) but I'm not the only gamer looking for them ;)
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Ed Oscuro wrote:Thanks for those numbers, Skips! 3 over FedEx isn't a huge number - my 20L5 arrived via FedEx. It wasn't totally destroyed but I do believe it sustained some bumps from them. Unfortunately I don't recall (or have any ability to check) what the shipping service was anymore. It was quite sturdily packed though.

Ultimately it's hard to say, even with a seemingly large data set, who is best or worst. Remember this test? I was inclined to say the results fit in with my expectations, but again this is really low numbers.

What I think makes most sense is to realize that any of these carriers can damage a package and so should be avoided where possible.
Damage can happen with anyone but as long as UPS has a five foot fall in their lines they are by far the worst for shipping a CRT. Even with an amazing amount of padding a shadow mask can and will be knocked loose from a monitor when dropped from that height. Fedex has been great for shipping CRT's so far and like I said, the three I had come damaged via fedex were the shippers fault and not Fedex's fault (they threw the monitor loose in a small box with no padding). As long as you don't ship a CRT via UPS (unless its their freight services) Shipping CRT's can be a fairly safe thing to do.
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Thats probably why my second pvm is broken, skips. 5 foot ? shit. what did they say that they arent responsible? .


My first pvm came fedex - And it works great.
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mvsfan wrote:Thats probably why my second pvm is broken, skips. 5 foot ? shit. what did they say that they arent responsible? .


My first pvm came fedex - And it works great.
No UPS will still process the claims for them (slower than a snail) and pay out the insurance as long as you can show it was well padded. They just take the stance of they don't give a fuck and would rather pay claims than actually take proper care of packages. The person that sold me my BVM said the phone operator had an "oh well" type tone to her when he voiced his complaints about the fall. UPS is ok for small stuff that is not fragile but I would never ship anything heavy and delicate through them for obvious reasons.
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