A monitor to replace a CRT, PC

[rtw]

I recently bought this as a replacement for my old Sony Trinitron CRT
which served me faithfully for many years.

http://gaming.benq.com/gaming-monitor/xl2720z/

Monitor is nice and fast, can pivot etc but the colors are a bit off
compared to my old CRT. Reading up on things I should have bought
an IPS panel.

So anyone have a 24" or 27", 1920x1080(1200) IPS monitor with great
colors and VGA input to recommend ?

[matrigs]

Dell U2412M

I am writing this looking at one right now. Great monitor, IPS, Pivot and what not.

I am quite convinced that a few other guys will mention this one, as i have myself bought this after recomendations from the board.

[Xyga]

There are better options today though.

Some recent discussions (from oldest to newest);

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51254
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51641
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51966
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=52048

EDIT: plus this convenient thread for an overview: http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/monit ... ssage.html

[cicada88]

I just bought a 23" Eizo Flexscan EV2336 several months ago.

5 year warranty, ultra minimal, non glossy. About 30cm of height adjustment. Tilts forwards and backwards. Swivels. Rotates to full TATE. Low lag.

Made in Japan. (not the panel : /)

They do make a 24" and a 27" version as well.

I am extremely happy with it, and want to add a 27" to my setup sometime in the future.

[Ed Oscuro]

TFT Central gives the Eizo EV2736W a glowing review (well, especially the part about IPS glow - specifically that it is essentially absent). It looks like a good panel to get if you need something in a hurry.

They grade it Class 1 for lag, though it is above 16ms total (including pixel response time) which seems a bit optimistic, though; there's also no G-Sync and it's limited to 60Hz refresh.

Personally I'm waiting to see how the new 144Hz IPS panels turn out. Those should allow a wide range of refresh rates, including the not-too-taxing traditional 72Hz option (which many older games are set to already) and combining that with G-Sync or similar should help also.

I'd also like to see more done in the OLED front - higher refresh rates and maybe strobing should help the appearance of blur there. Those have the best pixel response times of all display products.

[Xyga]

Beware the 'glow-free' Eizo EV2736W might not be a thing anymore due to panel lottery (look further in this thread: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1720480).

[lettuce]

Personally I'm waiting to see how the new 144Hz IPS panels turn out. Those should allow a wide range of refresh rates, including the not-too-taxing traditional 72Hz option (which many older games are set to already) and combining that with G-Sync or similar should help also.

Will we see 144Hz IPS panels before the end of 2014 and are all major manufactures support this or is it just one brand atm?

[Xyga]

It's just AUO/BenQ at the moment and I doubt we'll see a model before the end of the year.

[cicada88]

Beware the 'glow-free' Eizo EV2736W might not be a thing anymore due to panel lottery (look further in this thread: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1720480).

Yeah there is definitely still a panel lottery. I do have some IPS glow on my Eizo Flexcan 23, but it is only in the very corner areas and pretty minor. I wouldn't recommend this for watching movies in the dark if you are a "videophile". In bright, normal, and dim room conditions--I find it perfectly fine.

[Xyga]

The ColorEdge CX271 and CX241 are advertized as glow-free by Eizo themselves, but the prices, ouch.

[cicada88]

The ColorEdge CX271 and CX241 are advertized as glow-free by Eizo themselves, but the prices, ouch.

exactly...

[rtw]

Thank you for all the tips and suggestions people, turns out I should have done a lot more investigating than I initially did

What about NEC monitors ? For example: NEC EA273WMi-BK

http://www.prad.de/guide/screen9123.html

[Xyga]

What about NEC monitors ? For example: NEC EA273WMi-BK

No idea what it's worth, nor if it's got any special feature, but for a 1920x1080 AH-IPS it's rather expensive by today's standards.
Moreover it's not 100% flicker-free, which is rater 'meh' I would say.

The LG models are among the most 'standard' 1080 IPS you will find today (also all AH-IPS are manufactured by them) and they're cheaper with full flicker-free backlight.
27MP35HQ
27MP55HQ
27MP65HQ
27MP75HM
Can't say if there's anything that makes one better than the other, considering they're all based on the same technology/panel.
None come with a rotating stand but I believe they all have the 100x100 VESA mounting possibility, you would have to buy a separate rotating stand...
I'm just showing those as an example for tech and pricing, meaning any similar but more expensive monitor better have good reason for it (higher resolution, included rotating stand, better connectivity, speakers or whatever justifying the higher price).

[cicada88]

You definitely pay a slight premium for the NEC, but it was probably my second choice after the Eizo. The NEC has a great stand / moving options, and it has the minimal look.

I personally hate anything anything with glossy black plastic so that eliminates a ton of the options from Asus, Samsung, LG etc. If you don't mind a more gaudy look and logos everywhere, you can definitely get a better value with a Korean or Taiwanese maker.

Some of the Dell are pretty decent as far as the design.

[Xyga]

^ That's a good point as some reviewers underline the fact that glossy and black bezels kind of ruin the perceived blacks onscreen.

[rtw]

You definitely pay a slight premium for the NEC

After reading about monitors, panels and reviews for nearly the entire day I have decided on this one:

http://www.necdisplay.com/p/desktop-monitors/p242w-bk

It has a VGA input,1920x1200 and it has been getting good reviews

[cicada88]

You definitely pay a slight premium for the NEC

After reading about monitors, panels and reviews for nearly the entire day I have decided on this one:

http://www.necdisplay.com/p/desktop-monitors/p242w-bk

It has a VGA input,1920x1200 and it has been getting good reviews

That is a good monitor but it's probably not that great for gaming. Usually monitors for color accuracy / design have more input lag than otherwise.
If you are using it mainly for computer work, especially graphic design, and not for playing STG / Fighting games it's probably a great option.

[Xyga]

Agreed prosumer monitors usually don't have great gaming features, consumer-level are often more responsive and less laggy.
Doesn't mean all pro/prosumer are worthless for gaming of course, just not the best.

[rtw]

Back to square one...

I don't get it, the http://wecravegamestoo.com said that: P242W-BK was one of the best in the:

"Best 24" 1920x1200, LED PWM Dimming Free (Side Effects) IPS panels:"

I need 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 with VGA, HDMI and DVI.

[cicada88]

Back to square one...

I don't get it, the http://wecravegamestoo.com said that: P242W-BK was one of the best in the:

"Best 24" 1920x1200, LED PWM Dimming Free (Side Effects) IPS panels:"

I need 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 with VGA, HDMI and DVI.

What are your main uses for the monitor? This makes all the difference.

[rtw]

What are your main uses for the monitor? This makes all the difference.

graphics, gaming and emulation

[Xyga]

Mmh, if you do graphics work then maybe it's not bad at all.
Its only 'bad' side for gaming is that it's got 1 frame of lag (many 1920x1080 have around 1/4 of lag today) see if that's important to you or not. Also it is not 100% flicker-free, but turns out it's very high flicker frequency so it's not a problem in the end.
If it was just for gaming I would say it's much too expensive, but your interest goes beyond that, so why not ?
I'm not very good at judging graphics/photo-oriented monitors, but I think professionals usually want real 8bit or real 10bit panels, which this one isn't. See also if that's important.

PS: Oh if you care about things like RetroArch shaders, the higher the resolution the better. Maybe you could be interested in a 2560x1440 monitor, but those also always have a minimum of 1 frame of lag if not even more (around 20-25ms).

[jepjepjep]

I have had an NEC EA231WMi for several years now and am very happy with it. It has fairly low input lag, 1920x1080, VGA/DVI(compatible with HDMI adapter but without audio)/Displayport inputs. I'm sure it's obsolete by now but I would replace it with another NEC if I was in the market. (It looks like the latest revision is the ea234wmi).

[Xyga]

Don't know about yours but there was a time when NEC did glow-free IPS of excellent reputation.
Word if they don't do glow-free anymore...

[rtw]

Borrowed a DELL U2410 to compare, this is a monitor from 2009

Colors are better, than the Benq, viewing angle is better, lag is not as good.

It looks like the next generation of monitors will be geared towards 4K and it looks like no 4K is going to have VGA D-SUB.

[Xyga]

You can get around the lack of VGA with a VGA to HDMI transcoder... I think.
The input signal will probably have to be upscaled by the monitor's built-in scaler though.

[K-2]

Just did an RMA on a Dell u2412m and replaced it with the new Dell S2715H. Installed it on an old rotating NEC VESA mount monitor stand, fed it my Jpn 360 through VGA with SLG3000 and presto! Stunning picture!

I'm not very savvy on all the minutia of LCD panels, but upgrading to this new Dell IPS from my previous 24" Viewsonic TFN screen was a drastic improvement. I would recommend it to anyone Stateside looking for a good LCD monitor for 360 shooting.

[Xyga]

Pics ?
I'm interested in that one since I've never owned a real glossy monitor, they say it greatly benefits clarity and colors.

[Ed Oscuro]

Looking at Prad's comparison shot of glossy vs. non-glossy types, it's really a matter of degree. Non-glossy is letting the glass panel show through with very little in the way compared to a matte-type screen, but there are subtle gradations all the way inbetween.

[Xyga]

Yes but I wish I could see it live, of course over the years I've been to several electronics stores to see with my own eyes, but most of what they have on display is crap I'm not interested in.