Has anyone gotten RGB from a NTSC Wii with homebrew?

[BazookaBen]

If so, how did you do it?

I tried setting the "video mode" option to PAL in AnyRegion Changer. It didn't change the color system, just the refresh rate. So I had 50hz YUV.

I also tried changing the video options to PAL60 with Gecko OS and WiiLoader and they did nothing.

[Ed Oscuro]

'fraid I don't have an answer for you, but I thought that YUV was already the color space for PAL. This is kind of related to YPbPr, but it's also related to composite video. Seems that in either video standard you're probably going to just get those lossy color spaces instead of RGB, unless I'm way off here.

[blizzz]

You have to use a SCART cable instead of component cables to get RGB.

[Astraea FGA Mk. I]

I would like to use my NTSC Wii on a euro TV with RGB through scart, I've read that only a PAL region Wii could do this though. The problem with the OPs situation is probably just the lack of a port on their display that supports a RGB signal. If someone can tell me how I can do it in my situation it will help the OP get a bit closer to a solution that may work for them.

[blizzz]

For games you have to force PAL 480i in your USB loader for retail games or Triiforce for VC titles.

[BazookaBen]

You have to use a SCART cable instead of component cables to get RGB.

Yep, can't believe I missed this:

http://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:w ... _av_pinout

I'll disconnect those two pins and my component cable should work as scart. It's a 3rd party one that has composite video as well.

For games you have to force PAL 480i in your USB loader for retail games or Triiforce for VC titles.

I was reading about this yesterday. Seems a little complicated. Will it only play games from a NAND backed up on the SD card? Or can I launch directly from my system memory?

[blizzz]

If you want a PAL system menu I would recommend that you install it on an SDHC card. If you just want to play the games in RGB with a red system menu then you can play them from USB, disc or normal NAND.

[DaftenDirekt]

Whether the Wii will output RGB or S-Video only depends on the System Menu. So if you have a NTSC Wii and want RGB output, you could install the European SM on it. If you do that it will behave just like a PAL Wii.

[Lawfer]

Whether the Wii will output RGB or S-Video only depends on the System Menu. So if you have a NTSC Wii and want RGB output, you could install the European SM on it. If you do that it will behave just like a PAL Wii.

But then it wont play NTSC games anymore, no?

[blizzz]

A PAL system menu can boot NTSC games if you make it region free. But I think the games will still launch as NTSC. To play them in RGB you need a loader like USB Loader GX that can force the output.

[DaftenDirekt]

But then it wont play NTSC games anymore, no?

If you intent to use retail NTSC games without any homebrew, then no, you won't be able to play them with that SM. But as blizzz mentioned, there are ways around that with USB Loader GX or NeoGamma. Most of them require the forced output (usually to PAL60), video patch and/or sneek option. A really small percentage of NTSC games can't be played at all with RGB, for example Shiren The Wanderer.

[BazookaBen]

Got it working!

Disabled the jumper, which was easy thanks to an HDTV/SDTV switch on my component cable. Had to switch around the plugs since they don't correspond color-wise like they do on Xbox 360 and Playstation.

My solution to play WiiWare/VC games was to set my video mode to PAL with AnyRegion Changer, then launch the game in PAL60 with WiiLoader (which is based on the Gecko Loader). For some reason WiiLoader couldn't launch my games in PAL60 if my system was set to NTSC.

This is cumbersome, but not a huge deal since I only need to use RGB with the few games that require an Extron RGB to get 240p.

[nyder]

Glad I picked up a PAL Wii after hearing this, I thought it would be easy peasy to do the region mod thing.

Nyd

Got it working!

Disabled the jumper, which was easy thanks to an HDTV/SDTV switch on my component cable. Had to switch around the plugs since they don't correspond color-wise like they do on Xbox 360 and Playstation.

My solution to play WiiWare/VC games was to set my video mode to PAL with AnyRegion Changer, then launch the game in PAL60 with WiiLoader (which is based on the Gecko Loader). For some reason WiiLoader couldn't launch my games in PAL60 if my system was set to NTSC.

This is cumbersome, but not a huge deal since I only need to use RGB with the few games that require an Extron RGB to get 240p.

[bobrocks95]

Wish you could do something similar on the Gamecube and get RGB from an NTSC console...

[Artemio]

I've lived happily with a component to rgb transcoder.

[ZellSF]

Glad I picked up a PAL Wii after hearing this, I thought it would be easy peasy to do the region mod thing.

Nyd

Huh? It sounds like OP's problem was pretty simply that he had the wrong cable.

[BazookaBen]

Glad I picked up a PAL Wii after hearing this, I thought it would be easy peasy to do the region mod thing.

Nyd

Huh? It sounds like OP's problem was pretty simply that he had the wrong cable.

It's not even that bad, I just had the HDTV/SDTV switch in the wrong position on my cable.

[nyder]

Glad I picked up a PAL Wii after hearing this, I thought it would be easy peasy to do the region mod thing.

Nyd

Huh? It sounds like OP's problem was pretty simply that he had the wrong cable.

I guess, but doing all that stuff sounded cubersome.

OP, have you run any emulators like retroarch etc, if so how was it? I was using an NTSC wii with component and everything seemed quite nice. in 240p

[BazookaBen]

I guess, but doing all that stuff sounded cubersome.

OP, have you run any emulators like retroarch etc, if so how was it? I was using an NTSC wii with component and everything seemed quite nice. in 240p

Nope, I just play stuff on original hardware, or get it on VC since the emulation is usually top notch. I just needed RGB from the Wii so I could use the Extron RGB to fix games like Castlevania Rebirth and Mega Man 9. They display in 480i even though they're rendered at 240p. For the majoirty of VC games that do 240p natively, I've always used component.

And once I got it figured out the RGB thing, it wasn't that bad. You just need the two programs I mentioned, or one if you're going blizz's route. The hardest part is just making sure you read up on how to properly use the homebrew programs.

[Lawfer]

A PAL system menu can boot NTSC games if you make it region free. But I think the games will still launch as NTSC. To play them in RGB you need a loader like USB Loader GX that can force the output.

Can you play NTSC games that launch as NTSC with RGB?

I have a PAL Wii and would like to play my retail NTSC games on this PAL Wii to get RGB with the official scart cable, how should I go on about that?

[12345]

A PAL system menu can boot NTSC games if you make it region free. But I think the games will still launch as NTSC. To play them in RGB you need a loader like USB Loader GX that can force the output.

Can you play NTSC games that launch as NTSC with RGB?

I have a PAL Wii and would like to play my retail NTSC games on this PAL Wii to get RGB with the official scart cable, how should I go on about that?

Patch your Wii region free or use a Loader such as GeckoOS. Since you have a PAL Wii you shouldn't have any problems.

[Lawfer]

Patch your Wii region free or use a Loader such as GeckoOS.

????

[DaftenDirekt]

Just soft-mod your Wii and use Neogamma (or USB Loader GX or whatever you prefer) to launch your retail games. Before you start the game up, set Neogamma to force the output to PAL60, and if needed video patch and sneek/uneek. Guides about soft-moding can be easily found on the net (i.e. google: softmod any wii). Just make sure you read anything beforehand and follow it to the letter.

[Lawfer]

set Neogamma to force the output to PAL60

Why? I dont want no lousy PAL60, I want NTSC RGB, isnt that possible?

[blizzz]

You want 60Hz 480i in RGB. That is PAL60. (well, in the case of the Wii anyway)

[Ed Oscuro]

This is why it's a load of nonsense to talk about PAL and NTSC with regards to RGB. 480i60 might be supported by the machine and European displays, but it cannot be PAL by definition.

PAL60 sounds more like 576i60.

[Lawfer]

PAL60 is an attempt to emulate the original NTSC 60hz, of course PAL60 is not up to the specs of the real thing.

This is why it's a load of nonsense to talk about PAL and NTSC with regards to RGB. 480i60 might be supported by the machine and European displays, but it cannot be PAL by definition.

PAL60 sounds more like 576i60.

The PAL Wii either does 480i/p at 60hz or 576i at 50hz, there is no 576i60.

When a PAL Playstation 2 game has a 60hz option, the game switches to PAL 480i 60hz (PAL60 for short).

You want 60Hz 480i in RGB. That is PAL60. (well, in the case of the Wii anyway)

Yes I want 480i 60hz, but I want my NTSC games to boot and run in 480i 60hz NTSC WHILE getting RGB on my PAL Wii, is that possible?

[blizzz]

NTSC has no meaning when you're talking about RGB. If you want 480i 60Hz RGB on the Wii you have to use the PAL60 mode.

[Lawfer]

NTSC has no meaning when you're talking about RGB. If you want 480i 60Hz RGB on the Wii you have to use the PAL60 mode.

I thought that the ability to get RGB out of the Wii was dependant on the System Software not on the signal output?

[blizzz]

No, it depends on the video output mode, which is not directly dependent on the system menu. Even with a PAL system menu an NTSC game will launch in NTSC mode by default, which will give you a red picture with a SCART cable. To play NTSC games in RGB you need a loader that sets the video output mode to PAL60, because only in the PAL 480i60 mode the Wii outputs RGB.