Please Help A Noob w/ NTSC Console on BVM-20F1U

[SeanAndSuch]

Hi. I'll spare everyone the drama and tell it how it is.
A) I bought a Sony BVM-20F1U on a whim without doing my research
I read excellent things about it when connecting retro consoles, etc.
It came with what looks like a standard built-in RGBS board along with a board named 21D.
B) I found out later that I needed a dedicated controller to use the TV and purchased one (BKM-10R)
I'm already in the hole quite a few dollars and am worried I'm never going to get this thing up and running.
C) The consoles I have are an NTSC SNES, an NTSC NES and a Retron 3 with S-video and composite (red white yellow)
I saw someone mention terminators for the BNC connector so I ordered some (pack of 5).
I don't know why I wasted my money on these 2 items but I purchased an S-Video to composite cable and a and BNC to RCA connectors.
I don't know why I bought these. I wasn't thinking clearly.
What are my options to get this thing up and running?
At this point I'd really like to be able to play my retro consoles on the TV but don't know how to proceed.
This stuff is all new to me. I never heard of an SCART adapter or a BNC connection up until a month ago. I never heard of a RGB-S either.
Please keep in mind that my consoles are NTSC.
I know I'm not going to be able to play my NES on the BVM so my only hope is that someone here can give me some good news about the Retron 3.
Can I purchase an NTSC SNES SCART cable and connect that to the very expensive cable found at the link below?
http://www.retrogamingcables.com/sony-p ... r-bnc.html
Can I do ANYTHING at all with this Retron 3 console? Any way to connect it to the BVM?
I know these questions have been asked countless times and I've been doing as much research as possible but I'm becoming overwhelmed and broke
Thanks in advance for any help!!
Oh and I never heard of the term shmups but based on what everyone here is talking about I take it they are shooting type games.
Someone mentioned Gradius being the first shmup they played. I'm in the same boat. Konami code FTW.

[Fudoh]

A few things:

- the 21D is a SDI and analogue Component add-on board. You cannot use it for RGBs sources as it doesn't have an "ext. sync" input. The 20F1 has a stock-RGBs/YUV board though - that's the one on the right.

- neither the stock RGBs/YUV board nor the 21D do support s-video. The 21D includes a composite decoder though, so all BNC inputs will support composite NTSC. You have to configure the input(s) to composite through the menu first.

- what's a s-video to composite cable supposed to look like ?

- your SNES will work once you get a RGB cable for it. For now it will work with composite as well. Not with s-video.
- your NES works using a composite RCA cable.
- Retron3: no idea. If it's got composite, it will work.

- for Composite from a RCA cable you just need a $1 BNC/RCA adapter plug.

- the Scart to BNC breakout cable will work, but you should be able to find one in the US as well, or even here on the board.

[SeanAndSuch]

You can see the s-video to composite cable here:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=4 ... hoto%2cjpg
I bought it from svideo.com for a decent amount of money. Don't know why I bought it.

You mention I can get my SNES working now with a composite RCA cable.
You also mention I can get $1 BNC/RCA adapter plugs.
Are these the adapters you're referring to?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000G5 ... UTF8&psc=1
Because if so, those are the ones I purchased and I have them in my possession now.

Please let me know how I can go about setting up my SNES now using the stock board if those adapters are the only things I need to get going.

Oh and regarding the Retron 3, it accepts RCA and s-video. If I can't use s-video I'm curious to know if I could use RCA.
I'm guessing if I can get the SNES going with composite, the Retron can be connected the same way.

I really appreciate the help. You know too much for your own good ;)

[Fudoh]

You can see the s-video to composite cable here:
I bought it from svideo.com for a decent amount of money. Don't know why I bought it.

me neither. I don't see this working in any way.

You mention I can get my SNES working now with a composite RCA cable.
You also mention I can get $1 BNC/RCA adapter plugs.
Are these the adapters you're referring to?

yes, these are fine.

Please let me know how I can go about setting up my SNES now using the stock board if those adapters are the only things I need to get going.

you can connect your SNES with a standard composite cable (that comes with every SNES) to any BNC input on your BVM - both the stock board and the 21D. All except the sync one (on the bottom of the stock board).

As said, in the BVM's menu you have to set the input to composite. You also have to make sure the comb filter is enabled. Otherwise composite will look really bad.

Oh and regarding the Retron 3, it accepts RCA and s-video. If I can't use s-video I'm curious to know if I could use RCA. I'm guessing if I can get the SNES going with composite, the Retron can be connected the same way.

you certainly can.

[SeanAndSuch]

I got something to show up on the display but it's in black and white.
I'm using the RCA composite cables (red yellow white) and only the YELLOW one is plugged in.
The other 2 I take it are for audio.
I've gone through all of the settings I could find and besides making the entire screen blue, yellow, etc I haven't found anything to change the color.
You also mentioned a comb filter of some type. I see a comb button on the control unit but nothing happens when I press it.
At least I'm getting somewhere now lol
Thanks!

[Fudoh]

You get b/w because the inputs are still set to YPbPr instead of composite.

There are no audio connects on a Sony BVM, all inputs are video.

[mickcris]

Maybe this will help:
http://www.broadcaststore.com/pdf/model ... manual.pdf

[SeanAndSuch]

Got it.
I looked through that PDF a few times already but each time I learn a little more.
The slots/boards on the back are numbered 1-6 (starting from the left).
I have the 21D board in slot 4 and the default card in slot 6.
The input numbers go from 1-6 (top to bottom).
You select your channel first. Then whatever settings you change are applied to that channel.
I originally had the composite input plugged into slot 6, input 1.
For whatever reason each time I tried to change the input configuration to composite, it would show slot 4 only. If I changed it to a different input type (component for example) it would let me select slot 6 (which would display in monochrome). So I decided to use slot 4, input 1.
It let me select composite and I got color.
I'm a happy camper.

So I guess the next question is how can I make SNES look as good as possible?
Thanks for the help guys I really appreciate it.

[Ed Oscuro]

Get one of the better SNES to EURO SCART cables sold on eBay (I forget which one is the better seller, but we discussed this in a thread not terribly long ago - do a google search of this forum and retro gaming cables) and talk to user Daskrabs about a EURO SCART to BNC cable. Of course it is possible to make a cable that goes directly from the SNES to BNC and there might be some advantage to doing this, but Daskrabs' SCART cables will let you swap in cables for entirely different systems. I also think this set might require you to buy some terminator plugs.

Composite and S-Video will give you composite and S-Video quality, respectively, if you're pressed, but from the sound of it you're not too pressed for money, so there's no reason to entertain these options. However these are quite easy to set up. Composite can be fed in to the system with a simple RCA to BNC converter plug, should you need it.

I wouldn't bother with the comb filter for good-looking RGB connections. If you had a NES or something hooked up, then it is worth a look.

[SeanAndSuch]

Using the composite inputs on the Retron 3, the NES games come out in color but the SNES games are BLACK AND WHITE.

I can't plug in my original SNES because I only have a 3rd party RF adapter for hooking the system up to my old TV years ago.

I ordered the SNES SCART connection along with the SCART to BNC cables but it's going to take a while to get here I'm assuming.

Any ideas why the SNES isn't showing color? I verified all of the inputs are accurate (slot 4, input 6, composite, NTSC, etc) but it doesn't work.