So where does that leave Zaxxon?Turrican wrote: Rez / Panzer Dragoon / Space Harrier, are not shmups. They are awesome shooters, but their gameplay works on a 3D environment: ie, the enemies you fight are not on the same plane as your avatar is.

Actually, now that i think of it.. Space Harrier would be a better comparison for rail shooters like Panzer Dragoon or Rez. Tempest and Gyruss are in a different vein.. sorry, had a momentary lapse of grey matter. ^^;;Zweihander wrote:Which raises the ever-present question of: what borderliners are allowed? Hell, I see Contra: HC in the Megadrive list, yet no Gunstar Heroes.. Also, I see Tempest and Gyruss, but no Rez or Panzer Dragoon. wth?
Schrodinger's cat wrote:Yeah, "shmup" really sounds like a term a Jewish grandmother would insult you with.
SHMUP sale page.Randorama wrote:ban CMoon for being a closet Jerry Falwell cockmonster/Ann Coulter fan, Nijska a bronie (ack! The horror!), and Ed Oscuro being unable to post 100-word arguments without writing 3-pages posts.
Eugenics: you know it's right!
No, this is only a list for games that are missing from the Xenocide lists: whether they are reviewed or not is irrelevant here.CMoon wrote:I don't know if this is just for games NOT listed, or games listed, but not reviewed or BOTH, but of course there is toaplan goodness that I believe is listed but not reviewed--Daisen Pu/Twin Hawks, Truxton, Slapfight.
That and Grind Stormer needs a BETTER review!
Space Harrier and Zaxxon work the same: you control "altitude" and move horizontally. Well, in fact, if we based purely on that "geometric" definition, Zaxxon would be out, just like Space Harrier is, (and unlike Viewpoint, of course). But this only shows that a single definition is never enough to define the genre. There are many other definitions we can consider, which don't take geometry and planes into account but relies on other factors, like forced scrolling, enemy swarms and such.Neo Rasa wrote:That's what I figured.![]()
I don't know how the community views it, but to me the defining factors are the automatic scrolling and constant shooting action. I always thought of games like Space Harrier/Panzer Dragoon/etc. as shmups, as an example because the gameplay isn't really 3D. You're just flying "forward" instead of "right" or "up." You're not really moving three dimensionally at all. In a way those games are less "3D" in their gameplay than Zaxxon despite the graphics.
Nope. Scarlet 7 on the MSX scrolls from right to left. Dunno when Planet Patrol came out, but Scarlet 7 was released in 1986. No, I really have nothing important to add.Shatterhand wrote:Planet Patrol (Spectravision, Horizontal, also the first (Maybe the only?) horizontal shmup that scrolls from left to right, instead of right to left)
Another shmup for the TI is Buck Rogers Planet of Zoom.llabnip wrote:TI-99/4a
Seems fair enough - feel free to use what I wrote for the TI-99/4a. I went back and edited my post for the TI-99 to add Buck Rogers (thanks Accutron!) and Defender and added a bit of detail to some others. Thanks for keeping such a great resource (i.e. Xenofiles) up to date!Turrican wrote:btw, the more obscure platforms are added, the less I can claim any knowledge on their library, so I'm basically doing a copy/paste of your suggestions.
Good sites. For the TI-99, I'd add: http://www.videogamehouse.net/parsec.html which is a nice little capsule summary of Parsec which is a fine 2D scrolling shooter for the system.
Desperado was first released in Spain without license from Capcom. I think they finally got a legal agreement with Capcom (and avoid problems), so the game was released as an official conversion in UK.Shatterhand wrote:Also, Desperado was an OFFICIAL port of Gunsmoke?
I consider Mad mix game as a improved remake of Pac-man: better graphics, extra power-ups. This game was its more popular international game because Pepsi used it in a promotion. There is a sequel called Mad mix game 2 with isometric view and bigger graphics (and here, pac-man can jump like in Pacmania).Shatterhand wrote:I never knew that, I always thought Topo Soft just ripped off Gunsmoke with no shame - Pretty much like they did with Pacmania when they released Madmix
This company published several rip-offs of well known arcades, like Tekhan world cup (Emilio Butragueño futbol!), Trojan (Metropolis) or remakes like Zona 0 (remember Tron races?).Shatterhand wrote:or Rally-X when they released Rock'n'Roller, though those 2 games try to be better than the games they ripped off.
As I said before, the game originally was released as Phantis in Spain. To get better sales in UK market, they decided to modify some graphics, the cover, the story and the name to use the popularity of Game over. Its cover had a very "suggestive" woman (an excellent ilustration by Luis royo), so British censorship decided to change the original bra for a bigger metallic one, and hide some anatomic parts with a screen of the game.Shatterhand wrote:EDIT: Oh, sorry.. now I see you meant Game Over 2 (TWO!!!) . I never knew Phantis was released as Game Over 2 anywhere, but I always knew it was supposed to be a sequel to Game Over.
I think in this case they copied Tehkan world cup for sure. It was a very popular arcade in Spain. Emilio Butragueño isn't as good in playability, but you can score goals shooting in midfield, and screen design is almost the same. People who don't know these games can compare them here:Shatterhand wrote:Now, I find funny how any soccer game with an overhead view released in the 80s is considered to be a Tehkan World Cup rip-off...
Yes, I have it, and it's an interesting game, although I enjoy more Mad mix game. It's more playable and fun for me. I usually have it in my gba to play in emulator in any place.Shatterhand wrote:Have you ever played Rock 'n' Roller? It's for Rally X what Mad Mix was for Pacmania...
I added Navy moves and Army moves because they have some levels in the first part where you are using helicopters, submarines,... with a continuous scroll.Shatterhand wrote:Astro Marine Corps used to be at the "Borderline" section in the old site. As I think Soviet, Army Moves, Navy Moves, Exolon and Gunrunner should be too.
We need a clear definition about what's a shoot'em up.Shatterhand wrote:(I remember when I was making the list for MSX shmups, I asked if I should include Army Moves, and Akira promptly said "no".). I think Mercs also is a borderline too, as commando should be.
This game possibly is amateur. Do you know if it was oficially released and distributed by any company?Shatterhand wrote:F.I.R.E. (Fuxoft - 1988 - horizontal)
Ups, I forgot this one in my list of Spanish shmups.Shatterhand wrote:Turbo Girl (Dinamic - 1988 - vertical)