Skykid rants about kids on his lawn. Dumb ones.

[Skykid]

I mean cmon, people don't watch this guy to learn more about games, it's for entertainment.

I muted this thing halfway into Harmful Park because this guy fucking sucks at acting. Is this what passes as "entertainment" nowadays? Watching a lard clumsily pretend to sperg whatever's left of his brain out?

Couldn't have put it better.

Welcome to the mean average intellect of the human race 2014.

[Blinge]

Yeah, because shitshows, cheap laughs and low brow humour are totally new things to the internet, or any recorded media ¬_¬

Also fuck spoony, man. And starfox adventures for that matter.

[Doctor Butler]

I fucking hate "nerd culture".

[Skykid]

I fucking hate "nerd culture".

I just dislike the general theme that idiocy equals entertainment. I'd blanket it all together with reality TV and other degenerative examples of human cognition. I blame American media primarily: it's the largest arm and concurrently the most responsible. After that someone can shoot Simon Cowell in the face.

Yeah, because shitshows, cheap laughs and low brow humour are totally new things to the internet, or any recorded media ¬_¬

Actually the current level of amoeba hurr durring is far below the standards of low brow humour of recent past, to the point it barely qualifies as anything except the recorded equivalent of someone wiping their ass for ten minutes. Comedians of the not too distant age of performing arts: Kenny Everett, Monty Python, Mayall and Edmonson of Bottom, and even stand-ups like Eddie Murphy etc, all utilise/d low brow humour with highly developed writing and performance abilities - something they trained for.

If people think a rotund boy with an Amish hairstyle braying at the camera in various decibel ranges about video games is a successful stab at humour they need to go back to fucking school.

I hope all these 'Internet personalities', or at least those who have as little to offer as JON TRON (durrrr) die in a fire, and quick.

Also fuck spoony, man. And starfox adventures for that matter.

Who or what is a spoony? Who cares about SA?

[Pretas]

The only well-known "internet video reviewing personalities" I can tolerate are Mike Stoklasa and Ashens.

[Squire Grooktook]

If I may interject, one thing I will say is that I personally have come to believe that the popularity of many internet personalities has nothing to do with any kind of humor or wit they may posses, and more with charisma. They manage to project a personality on screen that can be memorable and helps audience members who are already invested with the source material more easily form a connection with them and relate to them. They aren't humorists, they're showmen.

It's the same with the (few) that I like. I enjoyed Retsupurae for quite a while (haven't been keeping up with it lately, but still find it mildly amusing), but even when I did I was aware of the fact that nothing Slowbeef or Diabetus ever said was award winning comedy writing, more akin to the occasional moments of wit you/your friends might have with each-other in daily conversation, however I still laughed occasionally none the less. It was more that I was interested in the subject matter (obscure video games with B-movie tier presentation and bad youtube videos getting the MST3K treatment) and the hosts struck me as classy and likable with solid wit to spare.

I think this is how people like PewDiePie and whatnot come to be. They have a talent for engaging a niche audience and making them feel like they know them. You might say that that's even more pathetic than if it was a just a humor thing, but that's just my personal theory.

Who or what is a spoony?

You probably don't wanna know.

[Skykid]

The only well-known "internet video reviewing personalities" I can tolerate are Mike Stoklasa and Ashens.

Mike Stolaska I enjoy, because intelligent and accurate film criticism is almost impossible to find anywhere on earth. Some of the humour is a little worthless although the conception and execution of everything Plinkett is somehow superb.

Recently I've enjoyed Russell Brand's anti establishment commentaries too. I wish all celebrities were as conscientious.

I think that's about it.

[Bananamatic]

ashens is still legit after all the years
the food reviews he does are amazing

[Skykid]

If I may interject, one thing I will say is that I personally have come to believe that the popularity of many internet personalities has nothing to do with any kind of humor or wit they may posses, and more with charisma. They manage to project a personality on screen that can be memorable and helps audience members who are already invested with the source material more easily form a connection with them and relate to them.

Charisma?

Like AlphaOmegaSin? A spluttering mama's boy goofball-looking fuckwit with bad hair, no penis, and even less to say of any relevance?

I could probably relate to seeing him punched in the face a few times and having his lunch money stolen.

All this began with AVGN. When he kicked it off he had a character and a theme: examining awful retro games and allowing the audience to revel in his torture. It was a decent idea that was entertaining enough, in a vacuum. As such I have no issues with James Rolfe. But I view everyone else as bad copycats and not worth the time of day.

I know plenty about games. Watching some ugly ill-educated retard pontificate about everything they don't know for fifteen minutes isn't my idea of productivity.

[cools]

ashens is still legit after all the years
the food reviews he does are amazing

Ashens is knowledgeable and waffle free, and doesn't try to cater to an unknowledgable audience. He's the only one of the YouTube review crowd I can watch without feeling patronised.

[Blinge]

Who cares about SA?

Vetus mentions it above.

Let it be known that i'm not a jontron fan, i've somehow been pushed to his defense by people being upset that he doesn't do our pet genre justice, I'm waiting for one of you knowledgeable gentlemen to step up and make a shmup video commentary that gets a million views like the one from the OP =[.

There are some decent gaming personalities out there that combine humour/personality with decent gaming knowledge, I won't be recommending any for fear of someone else arriving in this thread and slating them, which they will. I think there's also an age factor coming into play, younger generations are for more receptive to this sort of thing.

Then again you can do a lot worse, you wanna see just how shitty it can get?

[Patashu]

For reviews on YT I've been enjoying lately:
https://www.youtube.com/user/phreakindee/videos LazyGameReviews. Retro junkie with tons of experience and a lovable personality.
https://www.youtube.com/user/bunnyhopshow/videos Super Bunnyhop. Puts deep thought into talking about games - doesn't just review, but produces thoughtful essays.

[Skykid]

I'm waiting for one of you knowledgeable gentlemen to step up and make a shmup video commentary that gets a million views like the one from the OP =[.

A million views? Impossible, we're not retarded enough to get that kind of attention.

I think there's also an age factor coming into play, younger generations are for more receptive to this sort of thing.

Because they're all fucking idiots.

Hate to be brutal, but not really.

[evil_ash_xero]

At least he liked Harmful Park.

Yeah, these YT guys aren't actually "good", but it's free. And it was better than Angry Joe...who I really really don't like. Dude Bro to the max.

[Skykid]

Yeah, these YT guys aren't actually "good", but it's free

I don't know how 'free' can be ample justification/compensation for your time and the intellectual assault on your brain being offered by such mind-numbing morons. These are the type of shit talking piss buckets you occasionally end up in conversation with in real life and have to grit your teeth as they embarrass themselves continuously. On one memorable occasion I actually told my friend to the left I couldn't take any more and was going home, and got a message of apology on the bus back. Wasn't his fault, just an acquaintance - but who gets anywhere in life by suffering fools?

Of course before anyone misinterprets my radical generalisation-for-effect comment that the sum total of all youths on the planet are braindead, just read between the lines.

I am of the opinion that each successive generation is in a mental decline due to the bombardment of superficial values and absolute dumbfuckery they're weaned on from birth. I'm no advocate of the current and outdated education system, but I am an advocate of some form of education.

Watching fucking morons waxing crap is not sufficient material to A: improve your knowledge of something, B: stoke your intellect, and C: profitably utilise your precious time.

If a million people sit down to watch a retard being a retard it's a good indication of the current state of the world, and if you apply that exercise to all of youtube and look at the videos with MILLIONS of viewers/subscribers - professional bloggers, girls talking about make up, people waffling about phones, camp homosexuals waffling about celebrities - then you either despair or rise above it.

But for fuck's sake, just don't join in.

[cools]

Watching fucking morons waxing crap is not sufficient material to A: improve your knowledge of something, B: stoke your intellect, and C: profitably utilise your precious time.

That's A, B, and C all together?

Quit watching anything except documentaries then. No movies, no sport. Quit playing video games unless it's for money.

I'm in agreement with you on everything else you've said, but this part needs fleshing out or you've invalidated your argument by stating that all entertainment is worthless.

[dunpeal2064]

So Skykid, did making that post teach you anything, or stroke your intellect?

No, you are just killing time. Some people do it by watching stupid shit, others by ranting about that stupid shit on a forum.

Making it this factual "You are wrong for liking this and therefore are the problem with society" kinda thing is really stupid.

I can only hope you don't actually use the phrase "shit talking piss buckets" when normally waxing your intellect, because this makes it look like you are a part of the very problem you are complaining about. Pretty standard AVGN-ripoff commentary if I've ever seen it.


... anyways, I think I get your point, but my main problem with it is that it seems to assume that everyone has the same level of gaming knowledge, and therefore if you don't learn anything, its useless dribble. Sometimes making your video relevant to more than 30 people is a good thing. Take the MMX Sequelitis video. Is it perfect? No, of course not, but it actually shows less-informed viewers that there is more to their favorite game, that design is cool, and that you should look into the little stuff., and does this by showing a game that a lot of people have played.

Now, sure, we all know that. But, out of the million people that watch that episode, if 50 of them become interested in design enough to look further into their favorite games, then to me that is great, and makes the episode well worth existing.

Sure, some (most) of their stuff is undesirable to me, but I would not gallop around claiming that the youth is destroying the world because someone does like it. It has its purpose, and them showing Crimson Clover off, however bad the quality of the video, can only raise its popularity.

[mastermx]

I don't understand all the anger. I understand that some of these shows are not for all of us. But why would we care how popular they are. There are real immoral, unethical opinions and stupidity out there that should warrant a reaction. But in general if I don't like something on the Internet I just ignore it. The irony is the more we talk about something we hate, the more power we give it, as an example I'd never seen or known what pewdiepie was before reading this thread.

[Skykid]

Watching fucking morons waxing crap is not sufficient material to A: improve your knowledge of something, B: stoke your intellect, and C: profitably utilise your precious time.

That's A, B, and C all together?

Quit watching anything except documentaries then. No movies, no sport. Quit playing video games unless it's for money.

I'm in agreement with you on everything else you've said, but this part needs fleshing out or you've invalidated your argument by stating that all entertainment is worthless.

Ah, I don't really agree. I think film can be an incredibly thought provoking medium and plenty can be gleaned and earned from it on an educational level (one of many.)

Video games are also valid and often extremely fulfilling forms of entertainment.

What I don't think you're getting is not that I discount all forms of entertainment - I've given over to watching stupid movies or comfortable no-brainers more times than I can remember. But like everything - and as I seem to reiterate too often - criticism is scaleable. You can switch off to Expendables 2 and accept that all you got was idiotic light entertainment. Or you can watch JonTron and pals and actually be insulted.

You may not notice a difference, but I do. There's low brow humour, kickback light hearted drivel, and absolute donkeys who don't deserve to be observed for an instant of your time for any good reason whatsoever.

My criticism is aimed at the latter.

[dunpeal2064]

So, if Jon Tron showed off DOJ, and the video was terrible, but we suddenly had 10 new members here playing DOJ seriously and submitting scores, you would say he still should not have been observed by anyone?

Yes, having 10 people at all submitting DOJ scores is unbelievable, but just go with it.

[Squire Grooktook]

This conversation has taken a turn for the philosophical.

[Skykid]

So, if Jon Tron showed off DOJ, and the video was terrible, but we suddenly had 10 new members here playing DOJ seriously and submitting scores, you would say he still should not have been observed by anyone?

Yes.

My criticism is less about the exposure of the games than the jackass you have to watch in the process of seeing them.

You've clearly missed the point enitrely so please stop talking about it.

[cools]

You can switch off to Expendables 2 and accept that all you got was idiotic light entertainment. Or you can watch JonTron and pals and actually be insulted.

I enjoyed Expendables 2. I enjoy some of the mindless stuff on Youtube.

I object massively to the amount of money earnt by the stars in the former, and wish I could donate a few quid regularly so that I could directly fund the latter whilst not funding marketers advertising budgets.

Still think your A, B, and C need more carefully definitions as you've elaborated on them

[dunpeal2064]

So, if Jon Tron showed off DOJ, and the video was terrible, but we suddenly had 10 new members here playing DOJ seriously and submitting scores, you would say he still should not have been observed by anyone?

Yes.

My criticism is less about the exposure of the games than the jackass you have to watch in the process of seeing them.

You've clearly missed the point enitrely so please stop talking about it.

Yes, I understand your criticism, but its end point being "there is nothing that could make this worth watching" brings up counter points. One of those was my question, in which I brought up a scenario in which it COULD be beneficial, even to you as a fan of a game, to have some others view this. I'd assume you would like more people to talk about DOJ with. And, considering you would not have to have watched even one second of the jackasses, it would cause you no harm.

You are doing far more than criticizing the people making the video, you are criticizing those who watch them as well, and not in a subjective matter.

And, don't come in a thread to debate and then try to limit the scope of the debate, and go off telling me to "please stop talking" like a jackass. You don't get to decide the boundaries of discussion, Sky Boy. My point was on-topic.

Also, if people not seeing Jon Tron is more important to you than having more people play your favorite game, then I think there is no hope for you. Your love for DOJ should outweigh distaste for some random douche on the internet.

[Skykid]

So, if Jon Tron showed off DOJ, and the video was terrible, but we suddenly had 10 new members here playing DOJ seriously and submitting scores, you would say he still should not have been observed by anyone?

Yes.

My criticism is less about the exposure of the games than the jackass you have to watch in the process of seeing them.

You've clearly missed the point enitrely so please stop talking about it.

Yes, I understand your criticism, but its end point being "there is nothing that could make this worth watching" brings up counter points. One of those was my question, in which I brought up a scenario in which it COULD be beneficial, even to you as a fan of a game, to have some others view this. I'd assume you would like more people to talk about DOJ with. And, considering you would not have to have watched even one second of the jackasses, it would cause you no harm.

You are doing far more than criticizing the people making the video, you are criticizing those who watch them as well, and not in a subjective matter.

And, don't come in a thread to debate and then try to limit the scope of the debate, and go off telling me to "please stop talking" like a jackass. You don't get to decide the boundaries of discussion, Sky Boy. My point was on-topic.

Also, if people not seeing Jon Tron is more important to you than having more people play your favorite game, then I think there is no hope for you. Your love for DOJ should outweigh distaste for some random douche on the internet.

Like I said, you don't get it.

[dunpeal2064]

Okay Skykid

[Skykid]

Okay Skykid

If you really want me to help you out, I can. But honestly it's a bit tiring.

[Blinge]

STOP WATCHING THINGS I DON'T LIKE

[dunpeal2064]

I don't need your help, Icycalm, I can continue to be a subhuman on my own.

Edit: Damn Blinge, beat me to it.

[Skykid]

Just eating something. I'll help you to understand by re-clarifying everything and addressing your points and misunderstandings.

No-one called anyone a subhuman, but if you keep retaliating with childish meta humour you might earn the designation.