Display advice

[FerociousSwan]

My model is Samsung S27C750P 27

So is that better than the Ilyama I'm looking to buy?

As well as the need for speakers I need something that's compatible with my XRGB > Supergun.
It had to be the Samsung causing the issue, so anything different might help.

[Xyga]

Nope the 'PS' version is not better than the Iiyama.

I think at the current state of technology/market a good AMVA+ is better than an average IPS anyway.

If you really want an IPS/PLS alternative, the current best are the Samsung S27D390H and S27D590P (both AD-PLS), but they lack rotation and speakers.
Those have the edge when playing FPS games for instance, but who still plays FPS at 60Hz anyway?

So yeah, go with the X2783HSU-B1 + a stand of your choice.
Still, I'm just confirming here again that in terms of picture performance and quality it's very similar to your S27C750P, that's why I wasn't really joking when I wrote 'glue speakers'.

Dell have various 'speaker addons' for their monitors, powered by USB, which is kind of convenient.
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/prod ... u=318-2885
That kind of accessory is everything you miss on your Samsung just for a few bucks. Of course you would have to figure out a way to attach those to your Samsung.
Just wanted to point at that kind of cheap alternative.

[FerociousSwan]

Thanks for clarifying
Yeah it's annoying about the speakers, I didn't really do my research in that respect when I bought it ... I was still in TV mode thinking that monitors would come default with speakers also!!

I would however deal with the lack of speakers, it's just now I'm hoping other models won't glitch with my supergun (Causing the green ghosting on the screen)
I'm going to try and find a local stockist maybe, so if the ghosting continues then I can just return it ...
I am currently trying to sell my Samsung to fund the Ilyama

[Xyga]

I'm going to try and find a local stockist maybe, so if the ghosting continues then I can just return it ...

Yes that's a good idea.
And even if you end up buying online always pick a seller with a solid returns policy.
AMVA+ panels are less prone to backlight bleeding, but you never know, most manufacturers apply poor quality control.

Good luck selling your Samsung then, including pictures of it displaying a full black screen showing there's no bleeding nor dead pixels will help.
Don't forget to mention it's a flicker-free AMVA+, with good contrast, good black levels, wide viewing angles, good pixel overdrive, and very low input lag.
Actually it's still one of the very best 27" 1080p monitors.

[FerociousSwan]

It does look quite nice also, from a style point of view

Well I've got it listed for sale on here for now, I'll probably have to go the EBay route eventually!!

Thanks for all your advice btw

[Xyga]

You're welcome.

A couple things you may notice as different on the Iiyama: black levels/contrast might not be as good as the Samsung's, but its panel is slightly faster (if you can notice), and more color-accurate (if set correctly).

Same panel, different internal electronics.

Wow, just noticed the S27C750P is still going for a lot of £ new.

[FerociousSwan]

Yeah it's rather pricey!! I'm hoping to make enough back just to get the Ilyama outright ...

[zanardi]

Any info on AOC p2460Pxqu. This is a 1920x1200 PLS panel. Similar PLS models from other brands are semi-glossy but very expensive. This is only 220 euros.

[Xyga]

Any info on AOC p2460Pxqu. This is a 1920x1200 PLS panel. Similar PLS models from other brands are semi-glossy but very expensive. This is only 220 euros.

I've looked around as well and there's absolutely nothing on that one.


On a side note, completely unrelated: http://auo.com/?sn=107&lang=en-US&c=9&n=1626

presenting 32-inch QHD (2560x1440) curved monitor display

Will most certainly be AHVA (IPS).
I'm still wondering if curvature does any good against IPS glow ?

[dosu]

Hey, how would the BenQ GW2750HM compare to the likes of the Iiyama ProLite XB2783HSU-B1 and Asus VN279QLB?
There's a review here and the response time looks good, it's AMVA but not +
DisplayLag.com shows it at 11ms input lag so that's one lower than the Asus.
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_gw2750hm.htm

Also it's about $100 less than the Asus at the moment but I'll have to get a VESA stand for it.

[Xyga]

For some reason displaylag sometimes get input lag figures that are around 2x what other websites measured. *sigh*

I remember the GW50HM/60HM was the first series of VA panels with pixel overdrive done right, even better balanced than its 60HS successor.
It had narrower viewing angles but really super deep blacks.
I've actually shmupped on it at a shmupmeet and found it to be quite competent for that use.
Colors felt unnatural for movies and photo but for everything games it was quite alright.

Now are we sure they didn't change the panel since then ? Are we certain they didn't put the new AMVA+ inside ?
Check the specs and you'll read '3000:1 contrast ratio', which is typical of AMVA+: http://www.benq.com/product/monitor/gw2750hm/
You know I think that particular previous generation of VA which had the narrower angles and 5000:1 contrast is disappearing...
Well, at least the current stock of GW50HM should have the updated flicker-free backlight.

Anyway when going for BenQ if all their 1080p models now share the same panel I suggest waiting for the BL2700HT, which is expected to combine all the good points.
The Iiyama XB2783HSU-B1 however, is already such a monitor and frankly the best AMVA+ around, a bit better than the Asus VN279Q in almost every field.

[dosu]

Hmm, yeah the Iiyama would of been my first choice but they don't sell it here in Canada and the places on ebay were almost twice the price of the Vn279Q, I can always wait for the VN279Q to go on sale but I fear it will just get discontinued instead seeing how not many online places sell it anymore and when they do I see their stock under 10 units...
So if I do go for the 50HM would that be better than the $20 more 60HS that's newer? I keep reading places that the 60 and 60 have pretty bad response time but good input lag then some saying it's just fine and some say the VN279Q has great lag then Prad.de shows it as 13 ms I think, which seems like it would have some bad ghosting?

Actually it might be better going with the VN279QL seeing how a decent desk stand that can move around easily will probably put the price of the 50HM to around the same as the VN. Or like you said wait for the next Benq and Asus models and hope the input lag is just as great and pray the response times improve.

[Xyga]

I'm going to be a bit redundant here but hopefully with some more details that might help you make your choice;

The GW50HM and GW60HM are supposed to be identical in performance, with only the design and maybe screen coating changed (not 100% sure but I think the 60HM has got a stronger matte coating, some people don't like that).

Speaking about the HM, check the part numbers here to make sure you don't get an older version with flickery backlighting: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/fl ... tabase.htm

The GW60HS is almost the same as well, it was released just a bit before the revision of the HM models backlighting. From the reviews it seems its pixel overdrive isn't tuned as well as the HM's, making it slightly inferior in games.

The VN279Q is a nice, well-equipped monitor with very low input lag (I doubt it's as high as 13ms, prad have been doing strange lag measurements lately) and very configurable pixel overdrive. It's got the same AMVA+ panel again. But it's not 100% flicker-free.
As incredible as it seems even a 2500Hz LED flashing cycle frequency can negatively affect the motion perception of a small number of people. Just hope you're not one of them.
Also a number of users complained about manufacturing quality issues (poor backlight uniformity, bleeding, buzzing). Make sure you get it from a good store which accepts returns.

All-in-all, they all have the same AMVA+panel and very close performance, but the Iiyama was the first of that 1080p AMVA+ family to have everything tuned well, including overdrive, backlighting, colors, equipment etc.
The upocoming BenQ BL2700HT should be just as good.

Oh and don't forget the Samsung S27C750P, another well-tuned AMVA+ which rotates only one way but can rotate both ways with a little metal work apparently. But I don't know if it's available in Canada.

...

Okay now to answer your question more directly; if it's only between the VN279Q and GW2750HM, then the Asus is the best... under the two conditions that;
1. you are certain not to be sensitive to backlight flicker.
2. you get a unit free from manufacturing faults.
If that's too much random for you then go for the BenQ (you'll need to get a rotating stand separately though).

[dosu]

Thanks, yeah I'm not sensitive to flickering so it's not a problem, I was looking into the Samsung also but it's not available here in stores with decent return policy.
The VN279Q is $100 more than the 50HM but I like the stand it comes with and possibly can use it on future VESA monitors if I get one without a tate stand(I guess?) and decent stands would be $60+ more.
Also both places I can get zero dead pixel policy that's $30 free return and and shipping and says also for minor defects so I'm hoping that's for buzzing etc, and hope if it has problems it's during the first 30 days.
I'm not too sure about extended warranties and I think Asus is 2-3 years so that seems good enough.

[Xyga]

Just one last thing to be sure; note it's only the VN279QL and VN279QLB that come with a rotating stand.
The VN279Q only comes with a basic stand.

EDIT: here you can see a VN279QLB in shmupping action: http://forum.shmup.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... &start=870

[dosu]

Yeah the QL, looks really nice, and I love how the stand isn't glossy plastic

[CDexWard]

Today I got the BenQ, it is great and the size is just right!

I have a problem with the 16:10 though. Games running on my 360 are somehow smaller than those running in MAME. On my 360 I set the resolution to 1920x1080, maybe that is the mistake? I cannot figure out which resolution I should set it to.

[bobrocks95]

1920x1200 is the 16x10 equivalent.

[CDexWard]

Yes, that's what the monitor's settings say, too. But I can't select that on my 360...

[Xyga]

The 360 won't go beyond 1920x1080, various scaling options should be available allowing you to display justified or stretched fullscreen.
Behavior with various source resolutions might be different, maybe set your 360 to 1280x720 and manipulate the display options again ?

Should be in Picture Advanced > Display Mode > Full / Aspect (try both with various resolutions)

From the pictures on the previous page Astraea seems to have found the right way to do it.
Unless he's using VGA ? IIRC the 360 supports a couple of 16:10 resolutions on VGA.

While we're at it; don't forget to set AMA to 'High', which is supposed to be the optimal setting for responsiveness.

[CDexWard]

There are 16:10 resolutions, for example 1680×1050 but that gives me black borders top and bottom when looked at it in yoko.
In the OSD I cannot find any options to adjust the picture. Right now I have the choice between a distorted 16:9 image or black borders left and right in tate.

[Xyga]

Should be in Picture Advanced > Display Mode > Full / Aspect (try both with various resolutions)

[CDexWard]

That option exists but it is greyed out.

Why are there black borders on a 16:10 display while in a 16:10 resolution anyway?

[Xyga]

No idea, it often takes a bit of time to find about how a monitor handles that kind of things, they're all different in that area, I'm sure Astraea will tell you how he managed.

[CDexWard]

I connected my 360 via VGA to the display, could that be the problem? Should I try a HDMI/DVI converter cable?

Well, tomorrow I will start a game in MAME, put tape on the frame where the picture ends and adjust the screen options ingame. All Cave games can adjust the screen and their options are all the same.

[Xyga]

No it should work on VGA, maybe enable 'overscan' and try again.

[CDexWard]

Overscan is also greyed out...

Google says that greyed out options only work if the incoming signal is digital.

[Xyga]

And I read it works on VGA and DP but not DVI. Lol internet.

Can't really help from a distance for this, only thing that's specified in the manual is that the Full/Aspect settings work differently with different inputs and resolutions.
Some combinations should work and enable access to Full/Aspect, too bad BenQ didn't provide a list.

Drop a pm to Astraea.

[CDexWard]

Will do. Thanks for the advice!

[Fudoh]

Most likely in addition to certain inputs overscan only applies to SMPTE timings (480p, 720p, 1080i/p).