Sprite ripping for dummies (me)

Post by **undamned** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:11 pm

So, I'm becoming an F3 system fanboy, and I want to play around w/ ripping some sprites from these games. I've heard that Final Burn Alpha can toggle layers, which would be ideal, but does FBA run in conjunction w/ Mame or what? I downloaded FBA v0.2.95.23 (cm).zip and it's just .DAT files, which I have no clue where to put

Any help would rule.
-ud

FatCobra · Post by **FatCobra** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:15 pm

what's an F3? Some kind of Japan-only system?

The way I rip spites is I turn the background layers off and take frame-by-frame snapshots. Tedious, but it works for me.

Post by **undamned** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:22 pm

Using what emulator setup, though? That's my problem. F3 is a Taito arcade system.
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PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:23 pm

The F3 is a totally boss piece of arcade hardware made by a totally boss company called Taito.

Speaking of which, undamned, is it possible for you to photograph the cart for that monkey breakout game? Because it sounds totally boss and I probably want one

Pa

FatCobra · Post by **FatCobra** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:24 pm

I was talking about emulators in general. Most of them have a feature where you can turn off the background layers so only the sprites show.

Sorry if I confused you. I know nothing about F3 emulation.

Post by **nZero** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:42 pm

MAME and FBA are actually entirely separate projects. You should download the emulator from its homepage here. The (cm) in that .zip file name you posted leads me to believe that those .dat files are for a program called ClrMamePro, used to manage rom files for various emulators. I've actually never toyed with Final Burn Alpha, but hopefully it emulates F3, and with sprite/background layer toggling (of which F3 hardware has a large number).

Post by **undamned** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:59 pm

PaCrappa wrote:Speaking of which, undamned, is it possible for you to photograph the cart for that monkey breakout game? Because it sounds totally boss and I probably want one

It's a Kaneko Super Nova cart, but yeah, I can shoot a pic of it. By far the greatest intro song ever. Little kids singing in Japanese.

nZero wrote:I've actually never toyed with Final Burn Alpha, but hopefully it emulates F3...

Just dl'd that binary and it doesn't support F3

Poopie.
-ud

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:08 pm

undamned wrote:It's a Kaneko Super Nova cart,

DOH! Thanks alot man!

Pa

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:58 pm

What games are you trying to rip sprites from? I'm not finding any F3-specific BIOS' on Maws, though I don't know if it's seperate.

Post by **undamned** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:14 pm

Damocles wrote:What games are you trying to rip sprites from?

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Arabian Magic (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1992 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Arabian Magic (US) 	Taito F3 System 	1992 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Arabian Magic (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1992 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Command War - Super Special Battle & War Game (Prototype) 	Taito F3 system 	1992 	MAME(devel) 	 
Grid Seeker: Project Stormhammer (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1992 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Grid Seeker: Project Stormhammer (US) 	Taito F3 System 	1992 	MAME 	Yes
Grid Seeker: Project Stormhammer (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1992 	MAME 	Yes
Hat Trick Hero '93 (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1992 	MAME 	Yes
Riding Fight (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1992 	MAME 	Yes
Riding Fight (US) 	Taito F3 System 	1992 	MAME 	Yes
Riding Fight (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1992 	MAME 	Yes
Ring Rage (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1992 	MAME 	Yes
Ring Rage (US) 	Taito F3 System 	1992 	MAME 	Yes
Ring Rage (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1992 	MAME 	Yes
Gunlock (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1993 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Light Bringer (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1993 	MAME 	Yes
Prime Time Fighter (US new version) 	Taito F3 System 	1993 	MAME 	Yes
Prime Time Fighter (US old version) 	Taito F3 System 	1993 	MAME 	Yes
Rayforce (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1993 	MAME 	Yes
Rayforce (US) 	Taito F3 System 	1993 	MAME 	Yes
Super Cup Finals (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1993 	MAME 	Yes
Taito Cup Finals (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1993 	MAME 	Yes
Top Ranking Stars (Japan new version) 	Taito F3 System 	1993 	MAME 	Yes
Top Ranking Stars (Japan old version) 	Taito F3 System 	1993 	MAME 	Yes
Top Ranking Stars (World new version) 	Taito F3 System 	1993 	MAME 	Yes
Top Ranking Stars (World old version) 	Taito F3 System 	1993 	MAME 	Yes
Bubble Bobble 2 (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME 	Yes
Bubble Symphony (Europe) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME 	Yes
Bubble Symphony (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME 	Yes
Bubble Symphony (US) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Dan-Ku-Ga (Prototype) 	Taito F3 system 	1994 	MAME 	Yes
Darius Gaiden - Silver Hawk (Extra Version) [Official Hack] 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Darius Gaiden - Silver Hawk (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Darius Gaiden - Silver Hawk (US) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Darius Gaiden - Silver Hawk (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Elevator Action 2 (US) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Elevator Action Returns (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME 	Yes
Elevator Action Returns (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME 	Yes
Global Champion (US) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME 	Yes
Hat Trick Hero '95 (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME 	Yes
Hat Trick Hero '95 (US) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME 	Yes
International Cup '94 (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME 	Yes
Kaiser Knuckle (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME 	Yes
Kaiser Knuckle (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME 	Yes
Quiz Theater - 3tsu no Monogatari (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME 	Yes
Recalhorn (prototype) 	Taito F3 system 	1994 	MAME(devel) 	 
Space Invaders DX (Japan F3 version) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME 	Yes
Taito Power Goal (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1994 	MAME 	Yes
Akkanvader (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1995 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Bubble Memories - The story of Bubble Bobble 3 (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1995 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Bubble Memories - The story of Bubble Bobble 3 (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1995 	MAME 	Yes
Bust-A-Move Again (US) 	Taito F3 System 	1995 	MAME 	Yes
Gekirindan (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1995 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Kyukyoku Tiger 2 (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1995 	MAME 	Yes
Moriguchi Hiroko no Quiz de Hyuu!Hyuu! (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1995 	MAME 	Yes
Moriguchi Hiroko Quiz Woo! Hoo! 	Taito F3 System 	1995 	MAME (devel) 	N.a.
Puzzle Bobble 2 (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1995 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Puzzle Bobble 2 (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1995 	MAME 	Yes
Puzzle Bobble 2x (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1995 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Twin Qix (US Prototype) 	Taito F3 System 	1995 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Cleopatra Fortune (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1996 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Puzzle Bobble 3 (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1996 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Puzzle Bobble 3 (US) 	Taito F3 System 	1996 	MAME 	Yes
Puzzle Bobble 3 (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1996 	MAME 	Yes
Arkanoid Returns (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1997 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Kirameki Star Road (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1997 	MAME 	Yes
Pop 'n Pop (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1997 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Pop 'N Pop (US) 	Taito F3 System 	1997 	MAME 	Yes
Pop 'N Pop (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1997 	MAME 	Yes
Puchi Carat (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1997 	MAME, Raine 	Yes
Puzzle Bobble 4 (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1997 	MAME 	Yes
Puzzle Bobble 4 (US) 	Taito F3 System 	1997 	MAME 	Yes
Puzzle Bobble 4 (World) 	Taito F3 System 	1997 	MAME 	Yes
Land Maker (Japan) 	Taito F3 System 	1998 	MAME 	Yes
Land Maker (World Prototype) 	Taito F3 System 	1998 	MAME 	Yes
Land Maker (World prototype) 	Taito F3 System 	1998 	MAME (devel) 	Yes

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Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:20 pm

Well hell....that's easy then. You can use Mame for all of those. No need for anything else, really.

Post by **undamned** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:49 pm

So how do you turn off layers, in MAME, then?!
-ud

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:14 pm

I believe F4.

Post by **undamned** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:57 am

PaCrappa wrote:...undamned, is it possible for you to photograph the cart for that monkey breakout game? Because it sounds totally boss and I probably want one

Top right cart:

Oh, and still no joy on layer toggling in MAME. Any help, fellas?
-ud

Post by **Dave_K.** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:17 am

undamned wrote: Top right cart:

Hah, I was watching that auction too (mainly interested in puzz loop). Doesn't that breakout type game require a spinner though?

Post by **undamned** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:27 am

Dave_K. wrote:
undamned wrote: Top right cart:
Hah, I was watching that auction too (mainly interested in puzz loop). Doesn't that breakout type game require a spinner though?

Negative. Puzzloop is genius, by the way. I also have the sequel on CPS2, but I havn't found the option to change from spinner to joy, though.
-ud

Post by **nZero** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:05 pm

F4 is just a tile viewer, isn't it? Maybe it's possible to piece together sprites from that, I have no idea, seems like it would be a hassle to do.

I think the only way to disable layers in F3 (and most other drivers) in MAME is to actually modify the source to not draw the background planes in the F3 driver and recompile MAME... sorry.

Tar-Palantir · Post by **Tar-Palantir** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:43 pm

For some of the F3 games which run in Raine, I think Raine will do the trick. F5-59 turn on and off the object and background layer

Post by **Dave_K.** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:33 pm

undamned wrote:
Dave_K. wrote:
undamned wrote: Top right cart:
Hah, I was watching that auction too (mainly interested in puzz loop). Doesn't that breakout type game require a spinner though?
Negative.

Sorry to bring this off topic, but by the look of the instructions, it is supposed to use a spinner, so you have the game and can confirm it will also work with a joystick?

http://www.arcadeflyers.net/flyers/kaneko/121001302.jpg

[update] Just tried out the rom in mame, yep requires a paddle. Its semi playable with a joystick in mame. I wonder how the paddle connects to the pcb? [/update]

Post by **undamned** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:08 pm

Dave_K. wrote:
undamned wrote:
Dave_K. wrote: Hah, I was watching that auction too (mainly interested in puzz loop). Doesn't that breakout type game require a spinner though?
Negative.
Sorry to bring this off topic, but by the look of the instructions, it is supposed to use a spinner, so you have the game and can confirm it will also work with a joystick?

http://www.arcadeflyers.net/flyers/kaneko/121001302.jpg

[update] Just tried out the rom in mame, yep requires a paddle. Its semi playable with a joystick in mame. I wonder how the paddle connects to the pcb? [/update]

Dude, don't base things you havn't tried, first hand, off of emulation. You are one of the sickest hardware guys on the forums, so you should know what's up!

Yes, I own the PCB, and yes it plays perfect on my Namco EX1 (yes, the same machine as yours). If you call slow movement "semi playable" then you should be delighted to know that one of the neatest non-standard breakout clone features, in the game, is a jump button, which allows you to hop across the screen at a greater rate than just standard scrolling.
-ud

Post by **Dave_K.** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:24 pm

pm sent.