Invader Attack 2

[n0rtygames]

Few kids contacted me saying they like the game, but don't have the money.

Oh right, well tell those kids they should check out Decimation X3 by Xona Games for just $1 and sate their modern space invader needs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImdERPS1_lg

Also, I know about the trial limitations.. Because I recorded a video of the ENTIRE trial experience that is designed to convince me to part with $19 and buy the full game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DcvHjytT2w

My 'lolcats' post was addressing exactly this fucking experience. You didn't leave me wanting more. The way you've packaged and marketed your trial (trolling included) is terrible and you need some guidance on this. You're not prepared to take it though.

Now, go through this thread. Find the one post I've made that says that your game is bad. Go on! Actually find it. Don't imagine that I've typed things, quote me word for word where I said that your game was actually really bad.

I seem to recall I was encouraging you to step up and make a balls to the wall shooter. I also tried to explain via the medium of cats why it is that you're getting this reaction.

Believe it or not - the game itself is actually sort of fun for short periods if you're after a sort of REALLY retro arcade experience. But to fully grasp this you have to be the kinda guy who thinks back to the days of Defender and remembers high intensity gameplay. I can actually dig it from that perspective, however I simply cannot agree with your assessment of Crimzon Clover or your attitude towards other developers.

So you come on here with your higher than normal price tag, shit over every other developer, the entire genre that we love - you start calling people names and generally being an asshole. Then you have the audacity to call us a bunch of forum bullies despite you throwing your weight around and then crying when you actually start to take a few punches yourself.

I'm sorry but there are a bunch of developers and hobbyists in this forum who may make "sub standard" games but I would rather support each and every one of those simply because they are trying to get better and are humble as fuck.

[CoderGamesIsBack]

If you want to see more watch trailer, should be enough. I cannot reveal more than that because the surprise and exploration is a part of gameplay.

The two games are incomparable. My game is not ugly looking remake of Space Invaders, it's an original and way more advanced in every possible way. Just because you're incapable of understanding that doesn't mean other aren't as well. Also, most players are used to torrents on PC. Once they realize IA2 will never come out, if they really want to play it, they will have to buy it. So, in short, only my supporters will enjoy the game and all it brings. It is impossible to pack all the features and all the gameplay into the demo. This will never happen and will be true for all my future releases.

[Ebbo]

I decided to put all the drama and cats aside for a moment and just give my honest opinion about the game. Mind you this is all based on the demo.

On the surface the game seems to be fairly well put together. But there is a difference between games that are simply build competently and games that are actually engaging. Some visuals and audio clash rather jarringly, namely the "Quick Trigger" notification and the music. Overall the game lacks an unified theme and everything looks and feels very generic and by the numbers.

The biggest problem in the end is the demo itself. I disagree with your notion that demos can't bring the same experience as the full game. Even if it's bite-sized and doesn't include all the features, a good demo should strive for giving a taste what the full game is all about thus leaving player hungry for more. This demo is way too short and easy to leave such an impact. The enemy AI among all other advanced features you keep talking about simply don't have any time to shine through which in the end makes the game feel just like another Space Invaders-clone, not to mention a rather boring one. There is certainly no shortage of those and since many of them are free or cost peanuts, your game's pricetag seems pretty hefty. Maybe the full game is worth the investment but judging by the demo it doesn't seem like that way. Including the word "invader" in the game's title isn't doing you any favours either

[CoderGamesIsBack]

Well, the easiest type of invader is having the easiest type of AI. Other invaders have special properties and different strategies. It is impossible to pack it all into the demo, then what's the point of buying the full game. I appreciate what you're saying, but it only seems to me that you're eager to play the full game, just don't know how else than by trying to trick me into make a demo a full game. Not going to happen. A lot of work has been put into the game and only supporters of the effort will be able to play this game and all future releases.

[n0rtygames]

I appreciate what you're saying, but it only seems to me that you're eager to play the full game, just don't know how else than by trying to trick me into make a demo a full game.

[CoderGamesIsBack]

LOL. Not going to happen ... ever.

[Cagar]

Are you thinking that someone here actually wants that or asked for it?

[eebrozgi]

I'm not sure how you interpreted n0rty's quote-post, CoderGames. I am rather sure it was meant to ridicule your claim about Ebbo trying to trick a full game out of you.

I was just dropping by to say that I really liked the cat post, but then the posts above this happened. As hopeless as this thread is, let's keep it going!

[CoderGamesIsBack]

I'm not really focused on what's going on here right now or what anyone is saying, so you keep going and do whatever you want to. I was just telling you the highlights. Here they are again:

- there will be no extension of the demo
- my protection cannot be cracked in a reasonable time, you will have to buy the game if you want to play it
- the game is not a Space Invaders clone
- demo level is the easiest one, not revealing much because the surprises and exploration are very important parts of the game

[Cagar]

I'd like to point out that codergames actually updated the demo by doing something related to the suggestions that I gave on the first page.
Not all of them, though.

[CoderGamesIsBack]

Oh yeah, the sound while camera is scrolling and lowering the speed of enemy lasers. Those were legit requests, many demo players complained about being unable to actually finish the demo. That is a huge problem because if someone is unable to complete the demo then how can he consider buying the full game. I had to make AIs dumber as well, at least on first few levels, so you won't be attacked in a more complex and more threatening way until later levels.

[smasher501]

Honestly n0rty's cat post is where this thread should have ended. Sound advice and judgement not to simply criticise, but to help this amateur developer improve his games. And to codergames, don't even think for a second Ebbo would want the full version of your space invaders clone. His own project is far beyond yours in just about every way - and it's not even finished. Pull your head out your ass.

[Lord Satori]

This thread is baffling. I've only seen this kind of thing on Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares. I guess this type of personality isn't exclusive to that line of work.

Anyway...

there will be no extension of the demo

Unless you're willing to show a decent portion of your game that makes the player hungry for more instead of bored to death, they won't buy.

my protection cannot be cracked in a reasonable time, you will have to buy the game if you want to play it

There are many indie games that sell really well and have absolutely NO protection. You don't need to be paranoid about hackers to make good games. By the way, people only pirate games they want to play.

the game is not a Space Invaders clone

Yes it is.

demo level is the easiest one, not revealing much because the surprises and exploration are very important parts of the game

If suprise and exploration is an important aspect of the game, shouldn't it be in ALL of the levels? And finally...

I'm not really focused on what's going on here right now or what anyone is saying

You say that, but you can't just cover your ears and go "lalalalalalala" really loud like a 6 year old. I think you're taking the feedback people post here too personally. When people provide negative feedback towards a game, you should listen. Especially when you post it on a forum that was specifically made for people who enjoy that genre. If shmup fans don't enjoy a particular shmup, that is a clue in and of itself that there's something wrong with the game. Yes there might be people that already enjoy your game. But with the help of people here, you could make it even better and make tons more money! So not listening to any of us and covering your ears isn't doing you any good.

[Emuser]

My main issue is that there is barely anything to go by, I take a minute to figure out the controls, more time observing the general gist of things such as why the hell nothing in the game can actually be destroyed and instead have them tumbling down onto the screen with things happening at crazy speeds then BAM times up sucker gg $19.99 plz.

I'm not trying to be an asshole, we literally do not see anything in the demo that could be sort of cool like described in the instructions. In fact it's more of a dick move than anything like "hey look at these things, now play our timed demo but you can't use this stuff I just showed you k go."

[CoderGamesIsBack]

I still don't get it why y'all spend so much time commenting on the game you obviously don't like.

EDIT: ... it's because y'all secretly admire the game ... DUH!

[Lord Satori]

CoderGames, I genuinely feel sorry for you. I hope one day you learn some humility and learn to be able to take negative criticism as well as you can deliver it. I wish you the best of luck.

One more thing, by no means do I secretly admire your game. In fact I have yet to play it. But I do at the very least respect that you had the courage to make a game yourself.

[CoderGamesIsBack]

Wooohoe hoe, jeez, thanks buddy! You're being honest, I can tell. And you didn't even play the game, wow, just, the things I read here, on this forum, amuse me beyond words! I can't even describe what I feel right now. It's like I'm getting these vibes of affection, and even love, from all of you guys, especially from Lord Satan.

[n0rtygames]

Please for the love of god can a mod make it stop?

I just can't watch it anymore. There was a point where we managed to do the full loop past 'its not funny anymore' to 'hey its kinda funny again' but now we're back at plain sad and I think bordering on cruel.

Please. For fuck sake. Make this stop. This is not what dev forum is for. This asshat will stick around playing the "Your resistance only makes me stronger!" act (we've all seen it) and drive away new aspiring developers.

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=50928
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=50126

Nobody likes this guy in the slightest. Not even as some sort of forced joke persona. Every time he posts he's just gonna get people pitying him or telling him how wrong he is. Just get rid of the problem. It's simple logic. We can't ignore him, because he's not contained to just this thread. He's already stomping up and down pissing over other developers.

If not : Just stop replying to this idiot - let him have the last word and just leave him the fuck alone to ponder his own stupidity. He's actually craving the attention at this point.

I mean he just called Lord Satori "Lord Satan". Might seem silly on the surface but when you check out the discussions on his youtube page..


https://www.youtube.com/user/codergames/discussion

This has happened before on many other websites. I can mention this guy to several friends and they already know about him without reading this thread. If you continue to entertain this fool, the discussion I've just pasted is where this will end up going.

[Cagar]

Codergames, as a hint, I would remove your extremely religious speech and comments from your youtube-channel.
Also, please be a little nicer, you have some heavy racism there too. Catholics do not "fuck small boys" in their spare-time.
This is totally not something you would have on your game-dev youtube account.

EDIT: Wow holy shit, nice post timing n0rty

[CoderGamesIsBack]

It's my only account, not a dev account. And, it was for giggles. You guys need to lighten up a bit. I understand that you're all teenagers and didn't discover sarcasm and irony, but it will all start to make sense when y'all grow up one day. I'm not hiding my trolling hobby, it's something I do sometimes for fun. It's like Batman is doing business as a hobby, I troll.

LOL: I just had Jesusisatreeoflife subscribe to my YouTube channel. Lord Satan is that you?

[Kaiser]

LOL: I just had Jesusisatreeoflife (railslave) subscribe to my YouTube channel. Lord Satan is that you?

Jesusisatreeoflife is keeping an eye on you, he is watching you and your fake christianity antics, if he subbed to you, you are to be pitied more than most men, you've been marked for verification of your faith. I don't think our eternal Father enjoys what you post on youtube either. If you don't step away from that idiotic path you took, I think if you are any percent genuinely christian, should be aware of what is gonna happen.

[CoderGamesIsBack]

I'm going to repent and make the best shmup of all times! It's going to be even better than Invader Attack 2. I know something like that might seem like impossible, but I'm going to make impossible possible.

[system11]