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BuckoA51 wrote:It's 720x480, most monitors will display this, some display it as 640x480 incorrectly, which can affect the picture quality.

and yes 240p games must be line-doubled to display on a VGA monitor.
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So, I got a UN8 serial number original style SNES today. As I should have expected, it's a sticker over a sticker (can't read the original sticker under there). Has the white print on the eject lever.
Confirmed that my composite cable, games, and power supply work by hooking up a SNES mini.

So here's where it gets strange. I've got daskrabs' RGB cable with Euro-SCART style pinout connected to RCA's (well, the good vendor's) SNES cable. No possibility of a mixup here.

I get the red power light (my previous big SNES doesn't even do that).

When I tried hooking up the system to the WEGA and the PVM, I get nothing for either composite or RGB, and I can't be bothered to try RF output.

However a couple strange things happen with RGB on the PVM: When I flip the power switch, sometimes it flashes mostly green on the screen with a little sawtooth wave-like cutout in the middle (I think). More unusually, when I push the reset lever, the "NO SYNC" message on the PVM moves down! When I release it, it moves back up! So strange.
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I've read that you can get 240p out of an xbox360 using an Extron RGB. I just wanted to make sure before I buy anything that this would work, Xbox 360 VGA cable -> Extron RGB 580xi -> BNC cables -> Sony PVM. Am I correct that this would give me a 240p xbox360 signal or am I missing something? Thanks in advance for any help.
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Yup, that's all you need

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PVM-14L4 needs clean sync, right?
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pigswill wrote:I've read that you can get 240p out of an xbox360 using an Extron RGB. I just wanted to make sure before I buy anything that this would work, Xbox 360 VGA cable -> Extron RGB 580xi -> BNC cables -> Sony PVM. Am I correct that this would give me a 240p xbox360 signal or am I missing something? Thanks in advance for any help.
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Not really. The Extron Emotia is what you are looking for if you want to use a VGA cable. It will produce true 240p.

The RGB models can produce a 240p "like" image if you feed it 480i from a SCART cable. But you will need to strip sync from the composite video first.
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antron wrote:
Not really. The Extron Emotia is what you are looking for if you want to use a VGA cable. It will produce true 240p.

The RGB models can produce a 240p "like" image if you feed it 480i from a SCART cable. But you will need to strip sync from the composite video first.
Oh, I see. What would you use to strip sync from composite video?
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antron wrote:
pigswill wrote:I've read that you can get 240p out of an xbox360 using an Extron RGB. I just wanted to make sure before I buy anything that this would work, Xbox 360 VGA cable -> Extron RGB 580xi -> BNC cables -> Sony PVM. Am I correct that this would give me a 240p xbox360 signal or am I missing something? Thanks in advance for any help.
beatsgo wrote:Yup, that's all you need

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Not really. The Extron Emotia is what you are looking for if you want to use a VGA cable. It will produce true 240p.

The RGB models can produce a 240p "like" image if you feed it 480i from a SCART cable. But you will need to strip sync from the composite video first.
My bad, the manual didn't clearly say it outputted 240P, only "Analog RGBS/RGBHV...".
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antron wrote:
Not really. The Extron Emotia is what you are looking for if you want to use a VGA cable. It will produce true 240p.

The RGB models can produce a 240p "like" image if you feed it 480i from a SCART cable. But you will need to strip sync from the composite video first.
Oh, I see. What would you use to strip sync from composite video?
Sync Strike is pretty good at cleaning sync.
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Do anyone know were i can find RAW sync cables for my Sega saturn? I've tried asking "retro_console_accessories" on ebay when they will make them again but i get no answer. :(
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beatsgo wrote:

Sync Strike is pretty good at cleaning sync.
Alright thanks for the help guys.
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Do anyone know were i can find RAW sync cables for my Sega saturn? I've tried asking "retro_console_accessories" on ebay when they will make them again but i get no answer.
you can always use standard cables and just swap the two pins inside the Saturn. Really easy.
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Fudoh wrote:swap the two pins inside the Saturn
Got a pic/link of the mod ? (for EU model 2)
Been wanting to do this for a while but I couldn't find the exact thing.
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PAL Saturns don't have a sync output - at least not on the AV output, so it's more complicated than just swapping two pins.
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Aw too bad. Mine has always produced a clear but slightly 'wavy' picture (a moderate 'ripple' effect) and I never found a solution to this problem.
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Fudoh wrote:PAL Saturns don't have a sync output - at least not on the AV output, so it's more complicated than just swapping two pins.
Good for me then i guess. 8) Both my VA0 and my VA5 are Japanese. :D

Yeah i guess i need to do the pin swap then.
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Maybe a stupid question but what's the reason why there is no Sync Strike version with SCART output?

I know a VGA -> SCART adapter would do the trick but a) every adapter costs extra money, b) it's just one more thing that can degrade signal quality, c) the adapters I'm looking at right now all have poor ratings.
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^ what SCART input device would you want to feed it to? Most can accept C-video as a sync source, so the Sync Strike wouldn't be doing anything (but adding noise).

I guess if you were using a SCART to BNC for a PVM it would be convenient, but VGA to BNC adapters are like $10.
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If you want Saturn cables made as csync on my ebay listings please just select "leave a message to seller" when going through the checkout process. I can do it that way. It's easier and cuts down on the amount of messages I get. When I get a load of questions in a day I admit I read them to make sure they are not somebody with an issue, I respond to the issue (often related to hardware the buyer owns) sometimes in way too much detail then I go to sleep.

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antron wrote:^ what SCART input device would you want to feed it to? Most can accept C-video as a sync source, so the Sync Strike wouldn't be doing anything (but adding noise).

I guess if you were using a SCART to BNC for a PVM it would be convenient, but VGA to BNC adapters are like $10.
It would be for getting rid of chroma patterns on PAL consoles (PS1, Saturn, maybe Wii and others). Since the Sync Strike is externally powered I figured it would be more reliable/compatible compared to a SCART to BNC cable with built in sync stripper.
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Okay, so linedoublers take an interlaced input, say 480i, and make it progressive, right? What's the cheapest scalar that would take a 240p input and "double" that to 480p? That's all I need it to do- no deinterlacing, no scaling to HD or any other non-integer resolution; even signal conversion isn't necessary, straight RGB to RGB is just fine. I'd assume that's a simple (and possibly lag-free?) process, but I don't know if it's an option only offered on more expensive all-in-one scalars or not.
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Get yourself an XRGB (1, 2, 2+ or 3) or wait for this: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=45877

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Xyga wrote:Get yourself an XRGB (1, 2, 2+ or 3) or wait for this: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=45877

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I did some reading (perhaps not enough) on Fudoh's page before posting; my hope was that I could avoid the expense of an XRGB or other expensive processor for the one thing I wanted to do. The RetroPix is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for though, and apparently this is a gap in processing it intends to fill, so thank you!
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Honestly I've bought a few cheap scalers in order to try to diagnose issues buyers have and they are all pretty much garbage compared to the xrgb mini to the point that I wonder why people bother.

Even the best cheap option (IMO and I could be wrong) - gbs8220 - has screen tearing issues. Everything else seems to throw artifacts everywhere.

It's the xrgb mini or the SCART to YUV transcoder on a CRT TV (or an LCD that both upscales well and is actually compatible) or basically well, nothing at all.

In terms of quality anyway. The earlier xrgb units are good too.
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[quote="Retro Access"]Honestly I've bought a few cheap scalers in order to try to diagnose issues buyers have and they are all pretty much garbage compared to the xrgb mini to the point that I wonder why people bother.
Two reasons:
- lag
- underscan

With a XRGB-2 or 3 + DVDO I get fullscreen scanlined whatever the source, and with only about 8ms of input lag.
The mini can't do this.
I think you would be surprised at the picture quality that kind of combo can produce.
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Yeah but I meant re. Cheaper solutions. Not laying down the kinda cash for xrgb units.

There really aren't any cheap solutions in my honest opinion as far as upscalers go.
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Ugh sorry was sleepy and completely misread your post. :lol:

Indeed there are no real good 'cheap' solutions.
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A quickquestion, is it possible to somehow get NorthAmerican download games for the PS3 onto a PAL PS3?
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Using a US PSN account. For payment you'd need a US PSN card or US credit card.
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Xan wrote:Using a US PSN account. For payment you'd need a US PSN card or US credit card.
which is anything but easy to get in europe.....
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According to this guide using a European credit card with US billing address might work.
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