Show us your guns!

[landshark]

Required hick pic (mine are the 2 on the left):


I still need to find a suitable scope for it. I don't like the dot scopes but haven't found the need to shell out alot of money for a higher end scope. Thinking maybe just a Leupold Vx-III or something.

Closer images of the far left rifle (built from stripped lower and assembled upper)
http://home.comcast.net/~landshark9/ar15/ar2-1.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~landshark9/ar15/ar2-2.jpg

Required pictures of firing an AR (non-supressed) at night (click for larger):



Now with a supressor (click for larger):


The rest of the toys (a few off-screen not shown):

Shown:
.308Win bolt
20 gauge over under
12 gauge pump
20 gauge pump synthetic (haha, sounds like a sex toy)
.22 LR semi-auto
.22 LR pump
AR15 20" (.223) custom built
AR15 16" (.223)
9mm

more likely are on the way (1911 .45, AR in .308Win)

I was raised in an urban town, but we owned a farm and cottage in wisconsin that we vacationed at all the time where I shot. I was raised with guns, the tradition carries on. It was never a problem.

To those who question growing up with guns, I had the safe WITH the guns in my bedroom from about the age of 8 until I moved out. I had the combination as well. It was never a problem.

To the rest who make penis comments; it's definitely true for some people. But for the vast majority of those who own large numbers of firearms, they just enjoy shooting and collecting just like anything else. I fall into the shooting category. It's a HUGE stress reliever for me. Most summer/fall/spring weekends I'm out shooting something whether it's a firearm, a bow, or a paintball gun (rarely).

Damacoles - I'd love to have/shoot a .50 cal, but I don't have the space to shoot it. It's most likely destroy the burm we built.

Where we are, you can't count on the police to arrive quickly, if at all.

I live in suburbia and I cannot count on the cops to get here quickly either. Even if you have an alarm (ADT etc...) and it goes off, plan on 15 minutes at least before they get here (because of false alarms and such, they are pretty laxidazical about it). So you are on your home if someone busts into your house.

[sjewkestheloon]

i don't keep dangerous weapons as i feel that they are dangerous. and they are weapons. and i don't come from a place where people grow up thinking it's their fundamental right to have a gun. it's this kind of thinking that has meant that nuclear weapons exist in a standoff across the globe.

unless you are black or brown. and then america says that you can't have nuclear weapons.

makes me fucking sick. sorry.

[pablo]

Where I live, I can't count on the cops getting there anytime soon, but I don't feel the need for a gun anyway. If I have a gun, the burglar/murderer/puffin will get a gun too. And no, I don't want anyone dear to me getting hurt trying to defend some "valuable" possesions. You don't stand a chance with or without a gun, but you're more likely to get killed with a gun.

[GaijinPunch]

I'm from Texas, and have shot a gun once. I think most women from Texas have shot guns more than me.

[The n00b]

I'm from Texas, and have shot a gun once. I think most women from Texas have shot guns more than me.

I'm from texas too and I've only shot a .22 rifle once. My gf loves shooting regularly though but those guns belong to her parents.

I don't think I'm ready to own a gun at this point in my life but I will defend the American right to own one. Ignorant people look at this and I am sure they think Americans are crazy gun wielding freaks. Some of us are . However, I think of it as giving the power to defend your home to the people. The thought of guns only belonging to the rich and powerful makes me sick and reminds me too much of the old aristocracy in medieval europe.

[Acid King]

i don't keep dangerous weapons as i feel that they are dangerous. and they are weapons. and i don't come from a place where people grow up thinking it's their fundamental right to have a gun. it's this kind of thinking that has meant that nuclear weapons exist in a standoff across the globe.

unless you are black or brown. and then america says that you can't have nuclear weapons.

makes me fucking sick. sorry.

According to Kenneth Waltz and several other notable realist theorists, Nuclear weapons are a great advancement for peace...

[supaT]

However, I think of it as giving the power to defend your home to the people.

Against whom? Bad people?

[undamned]

...you're more likely to get killed with a gun.

Interesting. Please explain how this works.
-ud

[landshark]

However, I think of it as giving the power to defend your home to the people.

Against whom? Bad people?

This thread is going to get out of hand quickly. But ...

Yes, against intruders etc... It happens all the time. But you will never see it in the newspaper. The news likes to come down on guns, not support it. If someone dies because they were shot by their own gun, you WILL see it in the paper, on the news, everywhere... it will become huge.

If someone kills an attacker/intruder/whatever who was threatening their life, you will not see it in the paper or the news - though you might see a lawsuit on behalf of the attacker's family (which in itself is fucked up).

[Acid King]

This thread is going to get out of hand quickly. But ...

Yes, against intruders etc... It happens all the time. But you will never see it in the newspaper. The news likes to come down on guns, not support it. If someone dies because they were shot by their own gun, you WILL see it in the paper, on the news, everywhere... it will become huge.

If someone kills an attacker/intruder/whatever who was threatening their life, you will not see it in the paper or the news - though you might see a lawsuit on behalf of the attacker's family (which in itself is fucked up).

One of the problems is that to be effective, guns don't have to be fired. Although I'm not sure about the statistics, I don't think the number of times the presence of a gun has deterred home invasion, burglarly or other criminal activity is adequately counted, if counted at all.

[supaT]

This thread is going to get out of hand quickly. But ...

It did get out of hand with the very first post. I still hope the picture isn't meant serious in any way, but I fell like it is. He really remembers me of Falling Down. It just plain stupid to stand around with your gun and say or think or at least give the impression of "Hey, look, I'm da man with da big gun! I save you and your family!". No, thanks pal. I know that is over-subscribed (is it called that way?) and not all of you are cowboys.

I mean, this is off-topic, kay, a lot of shit is posted, but the thread starter must have a master degree in shitting.

It happens all the time.

Really? Or do people THINK that it happens all the time. You say, that you never read of an successful prevented robbery etc. So, how do you know if those "all time" robberies do really exist?

I could write tons of more lines, but well, I leave the thread like it is before it "get out of hand". Please dont take this as an offense, it really isn't.

[pablo]

...you're more likely to get killed with a gun.

Interesting. Please explain how this works.
-ud

You have a gun. Then the burglar gets a gun because you have one. More guns = more potential/risk. If threatened with a gun, the burglar/puffin is probably more likely to use hers/his. And no property is worth dying for.

[Acid King]

...you're more likely to get killed with a gun.

Interesting. Please explain how this works.
-ud

You have a gun. Then the burglar gets a gun because you have one. More guns = more potential/risk. If threatened with a gun, the burglar/puffin is probably more likely to use hers/his. And no property is worth dying for.

So you're saying if you were a burglar, gun or no gun, you would burgle a homeowner who you know has a gun?

[pablo]

Interesting. Please explain how this works.
-ud

You have a gun. Then the burglar gets a gun because you have one. More guns = more potential/risk. If threatened with a gun, the burglar/puffin is probably more likely to use hers/his. And no property is worth dying for.

So you're saying if you were a burglar, gun or no gun, you would burgle a homeowner who you know has a gun?

Assuming they had a reason to own a gun, which the gun indicates, yes, I suppose a burglar would. This rethoric would lead to everybody having a gun, and that would make all crimes disappear?

[PaCrappa]

So you're saying if you were a burglar, gun or no gun, you would burgle a homeowner who you know has a gun?

Oh of course not! Everybody knows that people who burgle others' homes always think rationally and will enter into no situation unless logical thought has found it 100% safe and sane.

Are you kidding? You sincerely don't understand that a bullet doesn't care who it hits?

For the record I like guns alot and have no problem with responsible use. Unfortunately, the way many Americans posture with them is a bit overboard. You're not cool because you bought a weapon. Fonzie didn't pack heat. Sorry.

Pa

[pablo]

For the record I like guns alot and have no problem with responsible use. Unfortunately, the way many Americans posture with them is a bit overboard. You're not cool because you bought a weapon. Fonzie didn't pack heat. Sorry.

[Acid King]

So you're saying if you were a burglar, gun or no gun, you would burgle a homeowner who you know has a gun?

Oh of course not! Everybody knows that people who burgle others' homes always think rationally and will enter into no situation unless logical thought has found it 100% safe and sane.

Are you kidding? You sincerely don't understand that a bullet doesn't care who it hits?

For the record I like guns alot and have no problem with responsible use. Unfortunately, the way many Americans posture with them is a bit overboard. You're not cool because you bought a weapon. Fonzie didn't pack heat. Sorry.

Pa

I'm not saying anything. I'm questioning the logic that more guns means more potential risk. You said it yourself, it comes down to RESPONSIBLE USE, but at the same time you make it seem like arguing that guns can and will deter crime are promoting knee jerk, shoot anything tha tmoves redneck mentality, which is NOT the case. It's like thinking the vast majority of people who smoke pot are like Cheech and Chong.

Assuming they had a reason to own a gun, which the gun indicates, yes, I suppose a burglar would. This rethoric would lead to everybody having a gun, and that would make all crimes disappear?

Who said it would make all crimes disappear? No one did. Not all burglars are 100% logical and will enter into a dangerous situation regardless, however, it's stupid to think that the vast majority of criminals don't value their own life and that the threat of being shot or even having a gun pointed at them, wouldn't make them think twice, whether they're armed or not.

[landshark]

It did get out of hand with the very first post. I still hope the picture isn't meant serious in any way, but I fell like it is. He really remembers me of Falling Down. It just plain stupid to stand around with your gun and say or think or at least give the impression of "Hey, look, I'm da man with da big gun! I save you and your family!". No, thanks pal. I know that is over-subscribed (is it called that way?) and not all of you are cowboys.

Did he say "I'm cool?" No, he said show me pics of your guns. I purposely do not (usually) post pictures of myself with my guns for that exact reason. People jump up and down yelling and screaming that you are trying to be a badass. Although I wonder why he has not posted again in response to anything.

Really? Or do people THINK that it happens all the time. You say, that you never read of an successful prevented robbery etc. So, how do you know if those "all time" robberies do really exist?

They get posted in magazine articles, mostly specialty mags. Yes, they can lie, but so can newspapers. And in actuality, they DO get posted in newspapers - but they are tiny articles hidden away on page 35 or something; where as the "home owner dies to youth with gun" article appears on the front page.

I have monthly magazine that posts 5-10 armed defense stories every month from all over the US. Most recently there was one from the chicago area. There is a lawsuit going on right now about one that happened in the chicago area because the homeowner lived in a town where guns are banned. He owned one and I can't remember if he killed the intruder or not - but the city brought a suit against him even though he used it to save his own hide.

[Acid King]

It did get out of hand with the very first post. I still hope the picture isn't meant serious in any way, but I fell like it is. He really remembers me of Falling Down. It just plain stupid to stand around with your gun and say or think or at least give the impression of "Hey, look, I'm da man with da big gun! I save you and your family!". No, thanks pal. I know that is over-subscribed (is it called that way?) and not all of you are cowboys.

Did he say "I'm cool?" No, he said show me pics of your guns. I purposely do not (usually) post pictures of myself with my guns for that exact reason. People jump up and down yelling and screaming that you are trying to be a badass. Although I wonder why he has not posted again in response to anything.

Really? Or do people THINK that it happens all the time. You say, that you never read of an successful prevented robbery etc. So, how do you know if those "all time" robberies do really exist?

They get posted in magazine articles, mostly specialty mags. Yes, they can lie, but so can newspapers. And in actuality, they DO get posted in newspapers - but they are tiny articles hidden away on page 35 or something; where as the "home owner dies to youth with gun" article appears on the front page.

I have monthly magazine that posts 5-10 armed defense stories every month from all over the US. Most recently there was one from the chicago area. There is a lawsuit going on right now about one that happened in the chicago area because the homeowner lived in a town where guns are banned. He owned one and I can't remember if he killed the intruder or not - but the city brought a suit against him even though he used it to save his own hide.

If thats the same story I'm thinking of, no, he didn't kill him. He shot and wounded him with a pistol but the area he lived in has a law against discharging pistols in the neighborhood so they gave him a fine or something. They also told him that if he had used a shotgun or a rifle, he would have been fine.... then again, the guy he shot would probably be dead.

[GaijinPunch]

...you're more likely to get killed with a gun.

Interesting. Please explain how this works.
-ud

It's just a statistic. And like Homer said, "You can prove anything even remotely true with statistics."

[pablo]

Who said it would make all crimes disappear? No one did. Not all burglars are 100% logical and will enter into a dangerous situation regardless, however, it's stupid to think that the vast majority of criminals don't value their own life and that the threat of being shot or even having a gun pointed at them, wouldn't make them think twice, whether they're armed or not.

The logic you employed lead to that conclusion:

So you're saying if you were a burglar, gun or no gun, you would burgle a homeowner who you know has a gun?

If guns are the answer, then everybody should get a gun. Look at the statistics and figure out how more guns can equal less death. But I guess it's almost a part of the national identity of America. Pre-emptive strikes and whatnot. Don't let fear be the driving factor in a country.

[The n00b]

Who said it would make all crimes disappear? No one did. Not all burglars are 100% logical and will enter into a dangerous situation regardless, however, it's stupid to think that the vast majority of criminals don't value their own life and that the threat of being shot or even having a gun pointed at them, wouldn't make them think twice, whether they're armed or not.

The logic you employed lead to that conclusion:

So you're saying if you were a burglar, gun or no gun, you would burgle a homeowner who you know has a gun?

If guns are the answer, then everybody should get a gun. Look at the statistics and figure out how more guns can equal less death. But I guess it's almost a part of the national identity of America. Pre-emptive strikes and whatnot. Don't let fear be the driving factor in a country.

I couldn't help but notice you like to lord over another country. So what magical kingdom do you come from that is perfect in all ways?

[Rob]

According to Kenneth Waltz and several other notable realist theorists, Nuclear weapons are a great advancement for peace...

I think we should give this one at least 100 years.

[Acid King]

The logic you employed lead to that conclusion:

....no? Saying that a criminal is less likely to attempt to victimize someone who owns a gun isn't the same as saying guns will make all crime go away. Are you daft, man?

If guns are the answer, then everybody should get a gun. Look at the statistics and figure out how more guns can equal less death. But I guess it's almost a part of the national identity of America. Pre-emptive strikes and whatnot. Don't let fear be the driving factor in a country.

Please, get off your soapbox. Owning a gun has nothing to do with premptive strikes or fear or any of the other stereoptypical, illinformed nonsense so many foreigners attribute to America's connection to guns. We're not Europe. Get over it.

[pablo]

The logic you employed lead to that conclusion:

....no? Saying that a criminal is less likely to attempt to victimize someone who owns a gun isn't the same as saying guns will make all crime go away. Are you daft, man?

If guns are the answer, then everybody should get a gun. Look at the statistics and figure out how more guns can equal less death. But I guess it's almost a part of the national identity of America. Pre-emptive strikes and whatnot. Don't let fear be the driving factor in a country.

Please, get off your soapbox. Owning a gun has nothing to do with premptive strikes or fear or any of the other stereoptypical, illinformed nonsense so many foreigners attribute to America's connection to guns. We're not Europe. Get over it.

The only daft person here is probably you. And yes, having a culture that exposes people more to guns does lead to violence and such. What makes you think otherwise? Anyhow, why do you attack other countries then? What's the problem? Why? Isn't attacking another country because of fear of them having nuclear weapons in anyway related to your culture and attitude towards eachother? Isn't your moral and ethics linked with your culture?

Since you're saying that guns would make a person less likely to get robbed/whatever, the logic concludes that if everybody got a gun, crime would decrease, eventually coming to an end. Your first argument stated

So you're saying if you were a burglar, gun or no gun, you would burgle a homeowner who you know has a gun?

And that's exactly what I commented. Yes, "I" would. This rethoric of yours leads to the conclusion guns nullifies burglary. If one homeowner has a gun and doesn't get robbed, then perhaps his neighbour would get one after being robbed and then the next neighbour, having been robbed, would get one. Yadayada. Everybody would have a gun and people would still get robbed, now at gunpoint. And yes, later you stated that it would just decrease, but at that point you had made no such argument.

And the Noob, feel free to comment on my country, Sweden. I don't take it as an personal insult, both our countries believe in the right of free speech. I didn't say anything about Sweden, we have our own problems, but I don't believe that weapons would solve any of them. A case in point is the increase in robbery of money-transports here in Sweden (which are not armed with weapons). And the people in the transports are the ones protesting the idea of arming them since they don't want to get killed by the robbers using pre-emptive violence.

[Acid King]

The only daft person here is probably you. And yes, having a culture that exposes people more to guns does lead to violence and such. What makes you think otherwise? Anyhow, why do you attack other countries then? What's the problem? Why? Isn't attacking another country because of fear of them having nuclear weapons in anyway related to your culture and attitude towards eachother? Isn't your moral and ethics linked with your culture?

Since you're saying that guns would make a person less likely to get robbed/whatever, the logic concludes that if everybody got a gun, crime would decrease, eventually coming to an end. Your first argument stated

So you're saying if you were a burglar, gun or no gun, you would burgle a homeowner who you know has a gun?

And that's exactly what I commented. Yes, "I" would. This rethoric of yours leads to the conclusion guns nullifies burglary. And yes, later you stated that it would just decrease, but at that point you had made no such argument.

I didn't attack any country. Stop acting like everyone in America has a hard on blow up other countries, which is somehow linked to our national identification with guns. You clearly have no fucking clue about American history or culture, so please, shut up before you make yourself look even more like a jackass.

First of all, George Bush attacked Iraq, not me or any one else on this board.

Second, our national link to firearms has to do with self defense and the fact that our country was built by fighting off an colonial force. Our country, unlike Sweden or any other country in the EU, is spread out. When our nation was founded guns were essential to survival. Regardless, our country was built as a loose federation of states, states that had their own civilian militaries, elsewise known as "militias" not unlike what Switzerland has.

Third, the second amendment was included in the constitution as a safeguard against an oppressive government. Guns are needed to exercise what Lincoln called our "revolutionary right" that is, the right to destroy a government that becomes too oppressive. All these things contribute to why guns are an integral part of America.

Finally, and most ludicrously, you're speaking in absolutes and in human behavior there are no absolutes. You took what I suggested in my original argument, that a burglar is less likely to burglarize a homeowner he knows owns a gun, and slapped a logical fallacy on to it (slippery slope) and proceeded to say that my logic led to it. The only thing leading to it is the flawed logic that you applied to my suggestion.

[thesuperkillerxxx]

My posts seem to bring out the best in people.... always seems to stir up the hibachi nests...

@Damocles - I trust that is a Weatherby with a bull barrel, but no scope or iron sights??

@Diabollokus - Yep that's me.

@landshark - I do love the Harris bipods. My 300 winmag has one on it too.

[The n00b]

Pablo I suggest you take this ignorant crap somewhere else. No one in this thread presumed to tell any European how their particular country should work. I didn't even see any "America is number 1" stuff going on here. Here you are though, attacking other people's cultures and way of life like your's is so much more superior.

[landshark]

If thats the same story I'm thinking of, no, he didn't kill him. He shot and wounded him with a pistol but the area he lived in has a law against discharging pistols in the neighborhood so they gave him a fine or something. They also told him that if he had used a shotgun or a rifle, he would have been fine.... then again, the guy he shot would probably be dead.

The entire state of illinois is pretty much a no-fire zone. But the specific law is a city law. It's "no guns", period.

[landshark]

Pablo I suggest you take this ignorant crap somewhere else. No one in this thread presumed to tell any European how their particular country should work. I didn't even see any "America is number 1" stuff going on here. Here you are though, attacking other people's cultures and way of life like your's is so much more superior.

Oh crap ... I forgot that.

AMERICA IS TEH BEST! !!! !!11!!11 ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!

There, now it's complete. It's sad how gun threads instantly deteriorate on most non-gun oriented boards (the exception being car/truck forums). Usually as a result of anti-gunners getting their quips in. It's to be expected I guess. 2nd is the following of the U.S. bashing. Usually a result of one or two people; not the majority (as it is the case now).

@landshark - I do love the Harris bipods. My 300 winmag has one on it too.

I like the bipod alot as well. The ability to adjust each of the legs independently works wonders for shooting laterally on the side of hills and uneven terrain.

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I love tacos.

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