Young Japanese people withdrawing?

[broken harbour]

I just don't have any sympathy.

No matter what I try to muster, it's not a plight I can accept as a legitimate struggle. "Withdrawing" is the operative word.

I can't say I have much either, I'm definitely the 'self starter' type that, if signs of a similar problem were manifesting themselves, I'd do something about it. But many people aren't that way, everyone is different and as much as we'd like to put everyone in the same box, we can't.

Withdrawing is a form of self-sabotage, and if you're observant, you'll see self-sabotage manifest itself in so many people it's ridiculous, normal, intelligent, educated, seemingly well-adjusted people sabotage their lives and they don't even know it.

[Xyga]

What about being surrounded by self-centered assholes who put you at the end of your rope with their shit mentality and ways and force you to withdraw from society or die ?

Everyone is different indeed, and I can very well sympathize with people who suffer constant aggression, rejection and contempt coming from the basic antibody-individuals of a brainless society.
People who can't deal with their social environment aren't necessarily emos. They can be victims.

[broken harbour]

What about being surrounded by self-centered assholes who put you at the end of your rope with their shit mentality and ways and force you to withdraw from society or die ?

How you choose to react to that situation is your choice, it's always a choice.

Blaming others for your problems isn't a solution, taking stock of your life situation and then making needed adjustments is a much better solution that bitching and doing nothing.

Bitching and doing nothing is far easier however, and humans love to take the easy way out.


Don't get me wrong, I've had days/weeks where I needed to check out mentally and socially and just not interact with anyone. I once spent a week off from work and basically didn't leave my house, at the time I felt like I needed it, solitude isn't a bad thing. Had that feeling stayed with me for weeks/months on end, it would be a symptom of a larger problem that would need attention.

[Xyga]

What about being surrounded by self-centered assholes who put you at the end of your rope with their shit mentality and ways and force you to withdraw from society or die ?

How you choose to react to that situation is your choice, it's always a choice.

Blaming others for your problems isn't a solution, taking stock of your life situation and then making needed adjustments is a much better solution that bitching and doing nothing.

Bitching and doing nothing is far easier however, and humans love to take the easy way out.


Don't get me wrong, I've had days/weeks where I needed to check out mentally and socially and just not interact with anyone. I once spent a week off from work and basically didn't leave my house, at the time I felt like I needed it, solitude isn't a bad thing. Had that feeling stayed with me for weeks/months on end, it would be a symptom of a larger problem that would need attention.

Well as I was implying (check my edit as well) when you're purposely trampled on it's not your choice.

Especially in difficult times (crisis blah blah, not the same consequences everywhere but still) many people turn into wolves, i.e narcissistic perverts doing more and more victims in work environments, or all kinds or discrimination increasing, families torn apart by increased tensions in their everyday lives, etc.

People tend to think less, be more aggressive and take out their anger, fatigue on frustration on others - and of course they do it on people who appear weaker or more sensitive than themselves.

You can't tell a person who's been victim of the others stupidity and lack of empathy that he's the only one responsible and that his life depends only on his own choices.
Not when it's too late and the person has already been hurt.

[broken harbour]

What about being surrounded by self-centered assholes who put you at the end of your rope with their shit mentality and ways and force you to withdraw from society or die ?

How you choose to react to that situation is your choice, it's always a choice.

Blaming others for your problems isn't a solution, taking stock of your life situation and then making needed adjustments is a much better solution that bitching and doing nothing.

Bitching and doing nothing is far easier however, and humans love to take the easy way out.


Don't get me wrong, I've had days/weeks where I needed to check out mentally and socially and just not interact with anyone. I once spent a week off from work and basically didn't leave my house, at the time I felt like I needed it, solitude isn't a bad thing. Had that feeling stayed with me for weeks/months on end, it would be a symptom of a larger problem that would need attention.

Well as I was implying (check my edit as well) when you're purposely trampled on it's not your choice.

Especially in difficult times (crisis blah blah, not the same consequences everywhere but still) many people turn into wolves, i.e narcissistic perverts doing more and more victims in work environments, or all kinds or discrimination increasing, families torn apart by increased tensions in their everyday lives, etc.

People tend to think less, be more aggressive and take out their anger, fatigue on frustration on others - and of course they do on people who appear weaker or more sensitive than themselves.

You can't tell a person who's been victim of the others stupidity and lack of empathy that he's the only one responsible and that it's his life depends only on his choices.
Not when it's too late and the person has already been hurt.

Absolutely agreed, everyone in western society is currently facing what you described above.

But how you, personally, deal with it, is your choice. That was the point I was making. If you decide to become a shut it, it was your choice, you chose to react that way.

I think if people had a little more self awareness, it would happen less.

[Xyga]

Absolutely agreed, everyone in western society is currently facing what you described above.

But how you, personally, deal with it, is your choice. That was the point I was making. If you decide to become a shut it, it was your choice, you chose to react that way.

I think if people had a little more self awareness, it would happen less.

Personally I would fucking murder the kind of assholes who prey on the weak make other people's lives hell.
But that's not allowed.

Still, I'm not sure I agree with you about the choice, for me it can be the consequence of a traumatic experience and therefore pathological.

[50Hz]

Sounds awfully fishy to me.

[BryanM]

Hah. keep up the collective man-up chants, blame people on an individual basis, sure. Pat yourselves on the back for being well adjusted individuals or whatever.

Woah, if you wanna find people who think they're well-adjusted... you're in the wrong Deth Starr.

Poverty and misery are actually silently welcome by many societies as examples of what will become of you if you don't conform.

It's always kind of horrified me about how very collectively insane we are. Don't mean to get all :eugenics: here, but sexual selection for the past thousand-something years has strongly favored those who can tolerate being a serf. Anyone too deviant to be a cog for someone else's profit dies in a gutter childless.

If you can take a population of foxes and turn them tame within a few generations, think of how fucked up our brains have become through millennia of this kind of selective pressure.

Marx would blame agriculture.

[ZacharyB]

Society rewards those who are more ambitious, cunning, and amicable than a scrub. That's how every success story starts.

[xorthen]

Perhaps its a sign of the times? Oh glorious nippon, what will become of thee? ; ;

[rancor]

Something involving radioactivity, no doubt..

[ACSeraph]

Same thing applies here, if you find that you aren't getting any joy out of personal relationships and prefer the company of your video games and television, uh... warning.

That's called being introverted. I could hole up all day with my games and not do shit else and I'd be pretty happy about it. But I don't have anyone leaving food outside my bedroom door, so I would starve to death if I tried. And of course I know that being social is important to having a successful life. I sure as fuck don't enjoy it (most of the time) though. I've been that way from childhood, just the way I'm wired I think. The point is that I make an effort to get out and do things despite being wired that way.

Curl up and die or make a change? We're all individuals with some kind of independence at heart.

The reason we are able to make a change is because we are from a culture that taught us how. If you grew up in a hive mind culture that represses individuality like Japan, there's a good chance you wouldn't know how to change things for the better even if you wanted to. You'd just succumb to despair and wait to die. Everyone has their breaking point, even you and I, it's just that our culture toughened us up enough to have a higher pain threshold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyUR1_19KAM

[Skykid]

Curl up and die or make a change? We're all individuals with some kind of independence at heart.

The reason we are able to make a change is because we are from a culture that taught us how. If you grew up in a hive mind culture that represses individuality like Japan, there's a good chance you wouldn't know how to change things for the better even if you wanted to. You'd just succumb to despair and wait to die.

Oh I know it's a cultural problem. In-fact that's probably the first thing everyone thinks of. From my post on the last page:

Quite clearly a huge social value issue at work here. It's a big question that probably needs a military scale solution.