Why are dodonpachi games only on xbox 360?

[Despatche]

hell, i'd be fine with a nicely done rerelease of espgaluda ps2. you even sorta get esprade that way!

[zaphod]

Why aren't they on PS3? I don't own an Xbox so I can't play them...

Fixed for you (chuckle)

And the reason is because Microsoft paid them off to not make them for PS3.

[PurpleTheGuy]

Why are they only on the Xbox? I don't own an Xbox so I can't play them...

A shame, is it not, mehguy, the OP of this thread? I don't know about the others here, but I do feel for the OP here. I actually understand. Given what these games are, one would think they would all be on the PS3 rather than on the Xbox 360, an American system and given the general audience of the Xbox 360 gamers in-general, but sadly, they are not, in an odd bit of circumstance. I believe that zaphod and Despatche have said it for all to see and others before them, and yes, that seems to be the case. Oh well, that's just what happened, so we don't really have a choice in that matter. Ultimately, when it comes to wanting to play shmups, you just do what you got to do. I have both the PS3 and Xbox 360 systems, along with the Wii, the PS2 and more where that came from, so yeah, I guess it doesn't make much of a difference, for me at least, but it is a curious thing to think about.

But hey, don't feel too bad, mehguy! There are yet a couple shmup games out for the PS3, like Ketsui, Mamoru-kun wa Norowarete Shimatta!, Under Defeat, and soon enough, Caladrius Blaze! That, and there are all the other shmup games on the PS2 and PS1, of course, and let's not forget all the doujin shmups out there for the PC, and that you can connect your DualShock controller to your PC, and wham, you can play PC shmups w/ the DualShock gamepad, among others! And there's MAME too, of course!

Yeah, you'd wonder what went wrong, why Sony didn't reach out for these shmup companies, and microsoft ended up courting them rather, but alas. I always liked the DualShock controllers, but meh, the Xbox 360 controller isn't that much different, despite it's somewhat non-traditional format, to me, at least, anyhow, besides how my thumb has to reach a slight bit further for the D-pad, but it still ends up working out and it's not that big of a deal, to where, switching from one controller to another does not result in a loss of skill on my end. That, and there are, as things have unraveled over the years, a lot of very nice shmup games on the Xbox 360, so of course, I would have to adapt to where I'm proficient in all controllers out of necessity.

[glitch]

I would have to adapt to where I'm proficient in all controllers out of necessity.

or you hook up a good PS2 pad to your x360. works for me. ^^

(cue sticks vs pads discussion)

[Patashu]

(keyboard master race)

[PurpleTheGuy]

or you hook up a good PS2 pad to your x360. works for me. ^^

(cue sticks vs pads discussion)

Yes, there's that too, indeed, especially if you can get the right devices to do this to where you can use any controller you want, from arcade sticks, other gamepads, to even keyboards and whatnot (Maybe even the guitar from guitar hero? I've actually heard of someone using that to beat a shmup game somewhere, lol. It was from an old thread here in this forum). But yeah, I've heard of that one, indeed

[LordHypnos]

Man, you guys who actually like Sony d-pads
Japanese Saturn pad + Dreamcast 4eva!
...and a knock off usb Saturn pad on PC (retrolinc).

Not sure what I'll do when I eventually, inevitably, get an X360. Probably a fight pad, or something. IDK of any Saturn -> 360 converters.

[glitch]

i hate sony's own d-pads but there are some really good d-pads to ne found on hori ps2 pads. ^^

(keyboard master race)

aw sorry 'bout that.
now i feel like i stepped on a repressed minority. ^^;

[MR_Soren]

Why are they only on the Xbox? I don't own an Xbox so I can't play them...

Is buying an Xbox 360 not an option?

That's how everybody else gains access to the console games they wish to play - they buy that console. (Or emulate if the game is old enough.)


As far as why they are on the 360, there are rumors that SONY rudely dismissed Arika when they proposed a port of Ketsui for the PS3 launch window saying, "We would prefer that you showed us something that is PS3 quality." Eventually, Ketsui was instead ported to Xbox 360 by 5pb who also ported DDP DOJ to the 360 before CAVE started handling the ports themselves.

However, even before all that CAVE stuff, Castle Shikigami 3 and some Raiden games came out for the Xbox 360, and I think that momentum just kept going - especially after CAVE dumped a large portion of their library onto the console.

[PurpleTheGuy]

Man, you guys who actually like Sony d-pads
Japanese Saturn pad + Dreamcast 4eva!
...and a knock off usb Saturn pad on PC (retrolinc).

Not sure what I'll do when I eventually, inevitably, get an X360. Probably a fight pad, or something. IDK of any Saturn -> 360 converters.

Yeah, I don't know what to tell you man, but yeah, I do pretty fine using the DualShock controllers, it just works out that way for me. I always thought the Sony pads were pretty good (Well, in my opinion at least anyhow), and the DS3 controller I have does a solid job for what I like it to do, particularly when playing PC shmups and doujin shmups with it. However, I've heard a lot about the Sega Saturn pads being the best, and that many of the top players use the Sega Saturn pads, so I should be getting one of those sometime soon.

Speaking of which, it's been so long, since I've had a Sega Saturn. I don't know where mine's is, sadly. Oh well, I'll be getting a new one at some point in the near future, especially when I've now learned of so many shmups in that console. Also, yeah, dang, I never knew the Dreamcast had so many shmups in it. I learned about that rather recently. I should also really check that out sometime.

[LordHypnos]

Man, you guys who actually like Sony d-pads
Japanese Saturn pad + Dreamcast 4eva!
...and a knock off usb Saturn pad on PC (retrolinc).

Not sure what I'll do when I eventually, inevitably, get an X360. Probably a fight pad, or something. IDK of any Saturn -> 360 converters.

Yeah, I don't know what to tell you man, but yeah, I do pretty fine using the DualShock controllers, it just works out that way for me. I always thought the Sony pads were pretty good (Well, in my opinion at least anyhow), and the DS3 controller I have does a solid job for what I like it to do, particularly when playing PC shmups and doujin shmups with it. However, I've heard a lot about the Sega Saturn pads being the best, and that many of the top players use the Sega Saturn pads, so I should be getting one of those sometime soon.

Speaking of which, it's been so long, since I've had a Sega Saturn. I don't know where mine's is, sadly. Oh well, I'll be getting a new one at some point in the near future, especially when I've now learned of so many shmups in that console. Also, yeah, dang, I never knew the Dreamcast had so many shmups in it. I learned about that rather recently. I should also really check that out sometime.

I mean, it's really a matter of personal preference. hahaha. Hell, I've heard that Gus (forum member who has counterstopped Mushi Futari Ultra) uses just a regular 360 pad which, from what I've heard, is about as close to having an objectively bad d-pad as anything.

If you like DualShock stuff, there's no reason you shouldn't stick with it. Of course, trying a saturn pad, if you get a chance isn't a bad idea. I pretty much can't go back to the stock DC controller now, after having used it, for a while, but I think there's a lot more people who dislike the DC's d-pad than the DualShock one.

[Never_Scurred]

Buying an japanese or (slightly cheaper) asian console to play shmups is not an option. Whining about it, is.

[PurpleTheGuy]

Yeah, definitely, LordHypnos! Eventually, I'll try out the other gamepads that are out there, and check them out, see what's truly best for me (And me ultimately exploring about arcade sticks one day, and see how that goes for me), but for the immediate moment, my DualShock 3 controller does a solid job to where I'm quite pleased with it, and it's there for me, whenever I need it to play PC shmups of all kinds, and then the DualShock 2 controller does a solid job for me when I play PS2 and PS1 shmups using that. Besides those two DualShock controllers, my wireless Xbox 360 controller, the Wii controller that's a lot like the good old SNES controller, as well as my old N64 controller, are all I currently have on me right now, and it'll be a while before I get anything else, so yeah, I make do with those.

Yeah, I've heard about that for quite some time now, and yeah, hearing about Gus's herculean feats, his advice in some of his posts, and his appearance in STG weekly video #8 really inspired me to stick with using the regular wireless Xbox 360 controller when playing the Xbox 360 games, and me realising that the regular Xbox 360 controllers aren't really that bad, especially when I got used to them to where it would feel very weird to do a sudden controller change for the Xbox 360 shmup games, as well as me realising that I've gotten quite attached to using a regular wireless Xbox 360 controller when I play Xbox 360 shmups (It made me think, "Hey, Gus is right! Man, what am I thinking, that the Xbox 360 controller is bad? I'm doing fine this whole time, so there's no reason for me to just suddenly switch. I'm worrying about nothing. If Gus can do such a feat with this thing, then hey, I think it's just the attitude, and the way to approach shmup games that count the most! I should just stick with that, and not let the bad rep on the controller by the others get to me so much. Yeah!").

I know I had no problem with them, back when I used to avidly play Halo and Call of Duty all the time several years ago (I've long since retired from those games (I've fully retired and essentially left the FPS genre 3 and a half years ago). There was a point, where I got sick of what is essentially, to me, the same formula over and over again, and since then, those days are effectively, and have been, over for some time now. I still do play Halo from time to time, but it's only casual now), and nowadays, after a couple years of straightening out things on my end, I mainly play shmups now, with some older RPGs, platform, and adventure games from time to time. Never looked back since.) and I don't have much of a problem with the Xbox 360 controllers now. I'm doing fine so far playing the Xbox 360 shmups using just that, so yeah.

[chempop]

Some people in chat were talking the other day about how there is a drastic difference between certain revisions of the stock 360 d-pad. Supposedly the slim series is much improved. I've only used the wireless one that came with my jasper drive JPN 360 and thought it was decent enough.

I'll still take a seimitsu stick any day of the week though.

[AntiFritz]

Some people in chat were talking the other day about how there is a drastic difference between certain revisions of the stock 360 d-pad. Supposedly the slim series is much improved. I've only used the wireless one that came with my jasper drive JPN 360 and thought it was decent enough.

I'll still take a seimitsu stick any day of the week though.

Is this ignoring the turning dpad controller models or is that what you're talking about when you say improved?

[xorthen]

Is Emulation really that much different than playing on a actual PCB?

[Despatche]

i hate sony's own d-pads but there are some really good d-pads to ne found on hori ps2 pads. ^^

(keyboard master race)

aw sorry 'bout that.
now i feel like i stepped on a repressed minority. ^^;

<logic about how keyboard is legit better than anything else>

<sob story about how i feel betrayed by game controllers>

[Patashu]

Is Emulation really that much different than playing on a actual PCB?

Depends on the game.
With http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAVE_%28co ... cade_Games open as reference:
Pre-SH3: Nope
SH3 to Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu: The emulation is not very good yet but it's playable if you want to
Death Smiles II to present: Can't emulate yet

[kilauea]

I find x360 pads inconsistent. As in the pressure required to make a contact on the dpad isn't the same in each direction.
If I play with them a lot, I just adjust. But come away and play on any other controller and go back and its there again. I've found this with 2 white controllers from original release and 2 black ones from "slimline" - no difference.

I invested in a hori vx-sa. But for whatever reason I cannot play fighting games better on stick than pad! Some bastardization of usb saturn pad and xbox controller may ensue.


hmmmmmmmm. Actually as I'm typing this I'm realizing the xbox pad in front of me is a wired one I use with emulators on PC. And I don't recall having the same problems with it. Will test...