Cave working on Xbone game(s)? + other STG devs

[KAI]

Klon...
I'm not interested......well...maybe a little.....Actually, no.

[PAPER/ARTILLERY]

shmup fans have proven themselves on multiple occasions to be fiercely loyal when it comes to supporting a console that offers the most games from their favorite genre. That loyalty is something Microsoft really needs right now (especially in Japan). Even if this translates to ~50k in console sales at best, it should be a relatively inexpensive way to do it.

I'm sceptical that Microsoft have even considered this angle. It does make sense but I feel like they're such a large company concerned with such big numbers that the shmups community loyalty probably isn't even on their radar.

[CloudyMusic]

I won't get too worked up over it right now. When some must-have exclusive STGs come out for it, then I guess I'll have to pick one up. That's still probably another year out, though, since these games haven't even been announced, and some of those games may well end up being multi-platform, anyway.

And at least the Xbox One has been getting widespread price drops lately, so it won't be quite so painful an investment if it becomes necessary.

[bcass]

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Edit: A Google search later tells me it is. That's nice.

It is not. You probably meant that...

This is a lie then? http://www.primagames.com/games/ryse-so ... egion-free

Or are you referring to the lock on digital content? http://wccftech.com/microsoft-quietly-r ... -reported/

That was misreported and has nothing to do with region locking content. The Xbox One is region free.

[Bonus!]

A big problem, i.e. one of very many, with the Xbone is that you can't reuse your old sticks, while PS3 sticks work on PS4. I hope that the PS4 will become the go-to console for smups this generation.

[Phellan Wolf]

A big problem, i.e. one of very many, with the Xbone is that you can't reuse your old sticks, while PS3 sticks work on PS4. I hope that the PS4 will become the go-to console for smups this generation.

Sure you can, the only problem is that you need a special third party converter. Dunno how much lag introduces but the possibility exists.
I guess that we're gonna see a similar route has the one already seen in th 8 bit computers era like MSX, Amstrad CPc, Spectrum Commodore where almost everyone had his own version and little developpers published their games in all platforms

[Bonus!]

Sure you can, the only problem is that you need a special third party converter. Dunno how much lag introduces but the possibility exists.

Well, my point was of course that the Xbone has no in-built support for old hardware. That's of course a downside of that console, and the PS4 presents no such problems. This is yet another example of MS making life harder for games, and trying to milk you as much as possible (think of "play and charge packs" for the controllers). I'm happy to see them struggling with their console.

To change the topic: last generation the Xbox often had superior multiplatform titles, albeit by a slight margin, this generation the PS4 is far superior, for instance giving you 1080p at 60 fps, while the Xbone might give you 720p at 60fps or 900p at 30 fps or something similar. So this would mean that the Xbone, if it became the console for shmups --- in an unfortunate future I hope won't happen ---, would be basically a console exclusive for that genre. I hope that Cave, Moss etc. go multiplatform, or that the Xbone is going to tank outside the US, which is already happening, so that we get those games on PS4 instead. Well, in the worst case, at least the Xbone is now region-free, so the big hassle of having to import a console is a thing of the past.

[Skykid]

All the latest shmups exclusive to xbone! I'm simply buzzing at the thought, and I don't even want one. I hope this takes a while to be confirmed so I can revel in the silent torture of whiny fanboys.

[Teufel_in_Blau]

last generation the Xbox often had superior multiplatform titles, albeit by a slight margin, this generation the PS4 is far superior, for instance giving you 1080p at 60 fps, while the Xbone might give you 720p at 60fps or 900p at 30 fps or something similar. So this would mean that the Xbone, if it became the console for shmups --- in an unfortunate future I hope won't happen ---, would be basically a console exclusive for that genre. I hope that Cave, Moss etc. go multiplatform, or that the Xbone is going to tank outside the US, which is already happening, so that we get those games on PS4 instead.

If Futari and Galuda 2 were the only shmups on the 360, my purchase were already justified because this was literally all what I played the first two years of my console ownership. Hell, I'd say even one of those games was worth the cost of a new console. Please leave the 30/60 fps bs at the off topic section. Shmups are not affected by this. The 360 was already way overpowered for these kind of games.

Maybe you simply don't know but most of us here are already used to buy the underdog to get their shmup fix. See Saturn or Dreamcast. I'll go where the games are.

[Bonus!]

Please leave the 30/60 fps bs at the off topic section. Shmups are not affected by this. The 360 was already way overpowered for these kind of games.

I was referring to "AAA" multiplatform titles, and nothing about this is bs.

Maybe you simply don't know but most of us here are already used to buy the underdog to get their shmup fix. See Saturn or Dreamcast. I'll go where the games are.

Sure. But I felt a lot better supporting Sega by buying a Dreamcast (I mean in-store in 2000, not in 2014 off ebay) than a company like Microsoft.

[Doctor Butler]

Sony would be smart to snatch up the Shmup audience. They've already done it with indie-games, and they stated their business plan is to appeal to niche-fans, and offer variety. Would fit the bill in spades, I suppose. The PSN store even classifies Shooters as a separate genre from fps, something that, ironically, Xbox Live doesn't do. So, fingers crossed?

note - This has nothing to do with me not wanting to buy another Xbox. Not at all, I swear!

[Teufel_in_Blau]

I was referring to "AAA" multiplatform titles, and nothing about this is bs.

It IS a valid complain but this is the shmups section. How other genres are handled on the platform doesn't interfere with your enjoyment of shmups and is therefore annoying to talk about it here. It's like saying that the 360 is shit because it has no BR drive. Those are complains that are belonging to the off topic section. The very fact that those modern "games" are more like shitty B-movies makes matters even worse. This shit is starting to not even belonging to a gaming forum. The lack of backwards compatibility for sticks is something that I would agree with you though. It sucks even more because we are talking here about standard USB.

Sure. But I felt a lot better supporting Sega by buying a Dreamcast (I mean in-store in 2000, not in 2014 off ebay) than a company like Microsoft.

I can't get behind this way of thinking. If a company is providing you with exactly that what you want and you have the money. Why wouldn't you buy it? I mean, if MS were using some poor north korean children to assemble the console out of dolphins and cute kittens skin, you would have a point. But otherwise... Those are companies, not people. Remember when Sony said that the could sell 5 million PS3s without games? http://www.gamespot.com/articles/scee-c ... 0-6151631/

Make no mistake. If Sega had the same power or money as MS or Sony (well, Sony so much not anymore), they would act the same way. They had their niche, they concentrated on it and they were good at it but the public didn't think that way.

[Formless God]

using some poor north korean children to assemble the console out of dolphins and cute kittens skin

I wouldn't even be bothered by this because without the games, a console has no meaning.

[casualcoder]

As far as Cave is concerned, they are done with arcade shmups, as should be evident to anyone here by now.

Until revenue for iOS titles comes in with bad numbers, and new ideas once again spark the desire to make great games on console platforms that are thriving.

This has more to do with waiting to see what the future holds for Arcade, Console and Mobile. I don't think mobile can deliver on its promise at this time and eventually many companies will come back to the platforms and development formats that supported them for so many years.

Right now things are obfuscated with emerging platforms and FTP, smartphones, etc. But, remember the scramble after the Wii launched and shined a spotlight on the untapped wallets of casual gamers and non-gamers alike? What happened there? It fizzled as fast as it came because they discovered that casual gamers can't sustain product growth. Those gamers were satisfied after playing wii Sports and generally stopped buying games when the fad died along with their enthusiasm for it. All that did was leave Nintendo in disarray and Sony / MS chasing down money killing chimeras like Kinect and Move.

That's why not only Cave but many other, larger companies are going dormant. They are doing the wait and see, and in the meantime dipping their toes in the relatively low-cost waters of mobile development.

[Bonus!]

Make no mistake. If Sega had the same power or money as MS or Sony (well, Sony so much not anymore), they would act the same way. They had their niche, they concentrated on it and they were good at it but the public didn't think that way.

I don't agree with this point of view at all. There are big, powerful corporations that have shitty customer service, and sell you crap that barely lasts long enough to not be covered by their warranty anymore, and there are big, powerful corporations that want you to be a happy customer, so that even though they might not extract the maximum dollar value from you at this very moment, they know that you'll come back and buy a new, expensive, shiny piece of hardware eventually.

[Phellan Wolf]

Make no mistake. If Sega had the same power or money as MS or Sony (well, Sony so much not anymore), they would act the same way. They had their niche, they concentrated on it and they were good at it but the public didn't think that way.

I don't agree with this point of view at all. There are big, powerful corporations that have shitty customer service, and sell you crap that barely lasts long enough to not be covered by their warranty anymore, and there are big, powerful corporations that want you to be a happy customer, so that even though they might not extract the maximum dollar value from you at this very moment, they know that you'll come back and buy a new, expensive, shiny piece of hardware eventually.

You dont??? Once they caught you they forgive you. Happened to my with every electronic I've purchased but to be honest, the best customer service I've ever had is by far Microsoft one. And believe me I've deal quite a lot with all of them Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo and a lot more (Apple ......)The shittiest by far the Sony and Apple one, really really rude. Well that is for me in my country at least but I guess that it much depends on the kind of person you deal with and not everyone has the same experiences.
But in the whole all what they want is our $$$£££¥¥¥€€€€ and they don't bother to use every trick to gain it.

[Teufel_in_Blau]

I don't agree with this point of view at all. There are big, powerful corporations that have shitty customer service, and sell you crap that barely lasts long enough to not be covered by their warranty anymore, and there are big, powerful corporations that want you to be a happy customer, so that even though they might not extract the maximum dollar value from you at this very moment, they know that you'll come back and buy a new, expensive, shiny piece of hardware eventually.

Dude, it's 2014. I have no idea where you live but I assume it's an at least halfway developed country because you have internet access. EVERYTHING you own is made by some company. The books you read: some company paid people for it to write, edit and print them. The clothes you wear, the toilet you are shitting in, the bed you are sleeping in, the medicine you are taking, the food you are eating, this fucking forum: somebody is working somewhere to pay people to rent a server to run software that was written by people that were using dev kits that were made by other people... Pretty much anything is produced or a result by some company, be it small or big.

They are not your enemy but as with any beings, if something becomes too big or powerful, there is a high chance that this power will be misused. That is why we have laws. If you think a company is treating their customers like shit, you have exactly two ways to deal with them: Don't buy their products or go and elect somebody who is going to give you more rights in front of them by force.

Taking sides with any of them is stupid. You use them to fulfill your needs and if you think that they won't, you start looking elsewhere. Yeah, the 360 was a cheaply manufactured POS but it was worth the hassle because GAMES!!! And in terms of hardware quality: I haven't read anything about reflecting lights in the TV from the controller or Rubber Tearing from the Xbox One controller. So far MS seems to have done a decent build this time. Kinect is a useless toy though, I hope the rumors about a cheaper Kinect-less Xbox will come true.

If MS is willing to money-hat shmup devs, I am willing to buy their product. It's really that simple.

[Bonus!]

Amazon: great customer service all around; other online shops: not so much
Apple: so-so, but they do not try to "upsell", and their laptops are great value for money (don't laugh -- I've been having mine for about six years, and recently they even released their latest O/S for free)
Microsoft: shitty products, Windows is an abomination; Xbox region-locking, nickel and diming everywhere, then there is complete bullshit like no inbuilt clock that resets to 1/1/2005 if you're not online, which fucks up your save states if the game is badly programmed and uses system-time stamps (hello, Deus Ex: Human Revolution!). Concretely: the game auto-loads your most recent save slot after you die, but this doesn't work so well when the clock starts from 0 every time you power up your console).

[Teufel_in_Blau]

Save states are for casuals.

Oh, and all Sega consoles were region-fucked.

[Bonus!]

Save states are for casuals.

"AAA gaming" doesn't leave you any other choice.

[jasoncslaughter]

The "AAA" label always makes me chuckle, since for me it usually denotes a game that I will never want to play (I try at least one a year, but usually by the end of the opening 20 minute movie, I don't care anymore).

Slightly less off topic - I just wish some developers still released games on pcbs. As one of the few forum members who plays shmups almost exclusively, a pcb or two a year would be enough for me.

[jandrogo]

I expect this list doesn't really mean exclusive games. It will be a stupid decision considering both platforms are just a computer, and they can release games for PS4 and Xone with almost the same cost and developing time.
From a resource management view could be understandable for a small company like Cave to release games in the past generation only in one console, but in present?

Anyways, VGA, 640x480 and tate are words gone from this console generation, who really cares?

Slightly less off topic - I just wish some developers still released games on pcbs. As one of the few forum members who plays shmups almost exclusively, a pcb or two a year would be enough for me.

Something like a raspberry pi, beaglebone black, etc… with bootable games directly from a SD and jamma compatible pinout would be really cheap and cool platform for Shmups

[bcass]

I'd imagine that if they are exclusives, they'd only be timed exclusives. Might even see some Steam releases finally given the new consoles are practically PCs. I doubt we'll see actual new games though, I reckon they'll be looking at simply porting all the back catalogue again.

[mastermx]

I'd probably wait a very long time for prices to go down, unless of course my circumstances change.

I really hope cave come back to the arcade/shmupping business. I thought they already announced that they were leaving the game, I wouldn't be too surprised if they ended up releasing a futari Rpg (now that I mention it, that actually sounds like a cool idea)

[Skykid]

Make no mistake. If Sega had the same power or money as MS or Sony (well, Sony so much not anymore), they would act the same way. They had their niche, they concentrated on it and they were good at it but the public didn't think that way.

I don't agree with this point of view at all. There are big, powerful corporations that have shitty customer service, and sell you crap that barely lasts long enough to not be covered by their warranty anymore

Lol, you just described Sony to a T.

My first PS3 stopped reading discs after less than 3 hours use.
Sony customer 'support' told me to fly back to Hong Kong to have it fixed.
My Sony Vaio died after three years of average use, the hard drive irrecoverable due to a broken reader arm that smashed into the discs.
My CyberShot camera was outdated in picture quality by my phone in the same year of purchase.

Stop defending blue chip corps, they don't give a fuck about you, the same way they don't give a fuck about preservation of global resources or environment.

[Oniros]

Goddammit. I understand the factors that led to the domination of the 360 for shmup ports. But can we please drop the exclusivity bullshit? Release the damn games everywhere developers: XBone, PS4, Wii U, PC, etc. Give me choice ffs.

[emphatic]

Anyways, VGA, 640x480 and tate are words gone from this console generation, who really cares?

XBone can do 480p.

[Astraea FGA Mk. I]

I really hope the XBONE does NOT become the default shmups console like the 360 is/was, as I will never ever buy that console no matter what.
If I won a XBONE from a competition or received it as a gift I would destroy it to keep it out of circulation, just a little contribution to the world.

[Pretas]

I really hope the XBONE does NOT become the default shmups console like the 360 is/was, as I will never ever buy that console no matter what.
If I won a XBONE from a competition or received it as a gift I would destroy it to keep it out of circulation, just a little contribution to the world.

Are you 10 years old? Please keep this juvenile fanboy nonsense to GameFAQs.

[Phellan Wolf]

I really hope the XBONE does NOT become the default shmups console like the 360 is/was, as I will never ever buy that console no matter what.
If I won a XBONE from a competition or received it as a gift I would destroy it to keep it out of circulation, just a little contribution to the world.

Are you 10 years old? Please keep this juvenile fanboy nonsense to GameFAQs.

Nonsense everywhere. Jesus, how far we've gone.