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 Post subject: Re: Retro-bit's Sega controllers
PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:10 pm 


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@Retro-Bit Might you know why replica Sega controllers never use the same type of flexible nylon/resin(?) material Sega used for the cross actuator piece on original Mega Drive and Sega Saturn controllers? Even the 2004 Sega SLS USB controllers used a different type of plastic than the original controllers:-
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This seemingly insignificant change creates a small but noticeable difference in the feel and response of the D-pad. I'm assuming the change is mainly for cost reasons (Cheaper to produce all the plastic parts in just ABS) but it would really be appreciated if you could mention this to the development team, and perhaps suggest that if possible they consider changing the material to match the originals for future batches/revisions - I'm sure its this sort of attention to detail that many retro gamers would really appreciate :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Retro-bit's Sega controllers
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:19 am 



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Good chance that has something to do with the durability problems seen - the flex in the nylon prevents (was probably originally chosen for) the outright breakage in a stiffer part.


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 Post subject: Re: Retro-bit's Sega controllers
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:07 pm 


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Link83 wrote:
This seemingly insignificant change creates a small but noticeable difference in the feel and response of the D-pad. I'm assuming the change is mainly for cost reasons (Cheaper to produce all the plastic parts in just ABS) but it would really be appreciated if you could mention this to the development team, and perhaps suggest that if possible they consider changing the material to match the originals for future batches/revisions - I'm sure its this sort of attention to detail that many retro gamers would really appreciate :wink:


Unfortunately, we don't know how SEGA operated back then. We were given the specs and molds and made a few tweaks on our end. Obviously, the brittle actuator batch was not planned and in order to ensure long term durability, we update to a much more durable one. We did testing and reached out to speedrunners and others who would heavily use the D-Pad and found this to be the best solution overall. Let me stress that this wasn't a cost issue, it was a durability issue. We will take your feedback and let the team know but I don't believe we will be reverting back to the previously used plastic.


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 Post subject: Re: Retro-bit's Sega controllers
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:38 pm 


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Retro-Bit wrote:
Link83 wrote:
This seemingly insignificant change creates a small but noticeable difference in the feel and response of the D-pad. I'm assuming the change is mainly for cost reasons (Cheaper to produce all the plastic parts in just ABS) but it would really be appreciated if you could mention this to the development team, and perhaps suggest that if possible they consider changing the material to match the originals for future batches/revisions - I'm sure its this sort of attention to detail that many retro gamers would really appreciate :wink:


Unfortunately, we don't know how SEGA operated back then. We were given the specs and molds and made a few tweaks on our end. Obviously, the brittle actuator batch was not planned and in order to ensure long term durability, we update to a much more durable one. We did testing and reached out to speedrunners and others who would heavily use the D-Pad and found this to be the best solution overall. Let me stress that this wasn't a cost issue, it was a durability issue. We will take your feedback and let the team know but I don't believe we will be reverting back to the previously used plastic.

Apologies but I think their may be some crossed wires. As far as I know nobody (Including Retro-Bit) has ever used the same flexible nylon type material Sega used on the original Mega Drive and Saturn controllers.

Looking back through this thread I see some people have had problems with the actuators on some early Retro-Bit models, and the design appears to have been changed in new batches (Now uses a screw?) However my post was not intended to be a response to those issues, I was simply hoping that Retro-Bit might consider changing the actuator material to match the original Sega controllers.

As best I can tell from photos online both the original and redesigned Retro-Bit actuator pieces were both made from ABS plastic (As is typical with all third-party Sega style controllers I have seen) My hope was that Retro-Bit might consider changing to use the same nylon type material used in original Sega Mega Drive and Sega Saturn controllers.

Hopefully you can help explain this suggestion to the development team?


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 Post subject: Re: Retro-bit's Sega controllers
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:54 pm 


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Question for Retro-Bit:

Is there a way we can tell if we got one of the brittle actuators? Is there a stamp on them or a specific color we can look out for? I'd rather get it replaced immediately instead of 3 months down the line when it does finally break.


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 Post subject: Re: Retro-bit's Sega controllers
PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:48 pm 


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Link83 wrote:
As best I can tell from photos online both the original and redesigned Retro-Bit actuator pieces were both made from ABS plastic (As is typical with all third-party Sega style controllers I have seen) My hope was that Retro-Bit might consider changing to use the same nylon type material used in original Sega Mega Drive and Sega Saturn controllers.

Hopefully you can help explain this suggestion to the development team?


No, I understood what you meant. I have let our team know and they will look into it.


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Question for Retro-Bit:

Is there a way we can tell if we got one of the brittle actuators? Is there a stamp on them or a specific color we can look out for? I'd rather get it replaced immediately instead of 3 months down the line when it does finally break.


Unfortunately, there is not unless you open up the controller and apply pressure to the piece (not recommended). Because the pool of defects is small, we are happy to send out replacement actuators if you'd like.


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 Post subject: Re: Retro-bit's Sega controllers
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:55 pm 



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I can't wait for the BT saturn controllers.


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 Post subject: Re: Retro-bit's Sega controllers
PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:15 am 


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Refreshing to see a company being so transparent with customers, tbh. I have a USB MD pad on the way, but I'll still consider the Saturn pad once all these kinks are worked out.
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 Post subject: Re: Retro-bit's Sega controllers
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:51 pm 


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Heavy Viper wrote:
Refreshing to see a company being so transparent with customers, tbh. I have a USB MD pad on the way, but I'll still consider the Saturn pad once all these kinks are worked out.


Thanks! We try our best to keep the community in the loop. :) If you see a Saturn USB with Switch compatibility, that would be our latest model (internally referred to as Model 2) and should deal with all the tiny issues from before.

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I can't wait for the BT saturn controllers.


We'll be at Gamescom so there will be more information there as well as reveals for a whole lot of unannounced stuff. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Retro-bit's Sega controllers
PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:47 am 



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Hey, any hope for Xbox/PS4 compatibility (wired or wireless, though licensed wireless would be GREAT) moving forward? Most third-party stuff has been Switch only, but I just saw the announcement of Power A's fightpads which will cover all three platforms.

Would be great to see you guys follow suit now that the other two platforms seem to be on the table..


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 Post subject: Re: Retro-bit's Sega controllers
PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:22 am 



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Is there a way to use the Saturn pads on the PS2?


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 Post subject: Re: Retro-bit's Sega controllers
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:06 pm 


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bigbadboaz wrote:
Hey, any hope for Xbox/PS4 compatibility (wired or wireless, though licensed wireless would be GREAT) moving forward? Most third-party stuff has been Switch only, but I just saw the announcement of Power A's fightpads which will cover all three platforms.

Would be great to see you guys follow suit now that the other two platforms seem to be on the table..


As far as PS4 goes, Brook released firmware for their [url="http://www.brookaccessory.com/detail/17778036/"]PS3 to PS4 Super Converter[/url] for our SEGA controllers (the non Switch compatible ones).

The Zuck wrote:
Is there a way to use the Saturn pads on the PS2?


I don't believe the PS2 is able to detect our SEGA controllers unless you're using an adapter that is able to remap the inputs to PS2 controller mode. However, they are compatible with the PS3.


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