I would like an old-school seperate list too actually, deciding where the cut-off is would be important of course. One list for every arcade or console shmup pre-dating the ps1-saturn era?
I also think an all-horizontal seperate list would be cool too.
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Dropping by to check if Undead Line has made the list this year... Hmm, it doesn't appear to. Next year, perhaps.
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That was my first thought as well about where to draw the line. There's a lot of knowledge on this board about those early console and arcade shmups. Would love to see people's lists!royalfan84 wrote:One list for every arcade or console shmup pre-dating the ps1-saturn era?
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I'd be interested in seeing a list for doujin shmups only, considering how dominant arcade releases are in the list.
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Once again I didn't vote but I'm mostly ok with this list, top 3 are ace. No Eschatos on honorable mentions at least is awful though.
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I have to say I am really pleased that Mushi Futari is No.1 (albeit BL)
For sheer entertainment, variety (never thought I'd say that about Cave) , and production values it is one of the best games I have ever played - never mind STG. Alone it justifies me owning a 360.
I'm an old school person who was 11 or 12 when Space Invaders hit the arcades so I have a taste for old school - hence my pleasure at seeing Layer Section and Gunbird 2 up there - but Mushi Futari is the first modern style STG I have enjoyed. I'm still working on my first 1CC of original (getting to level 4 mid boss with Abnormal Palm) and I use BL as a nice pallette cleanser at the end of a session. Quite, quite brilliant.
Maybe those with higher skill levels get bored with certain games a lot more quickly than people like me who struggle past level 3 of a shmup - but for what it's worth - I think the list is an excellent blend of old and new. I would love to see more modern takes on the old school style of game though.
(btw - I didn't vote - didn't meet the criteria).
For sheer entertainment, variety (never thought I'd say that about Cave) , and production values it is one of the best games I have ever played - never mind STG. Alone it justifies me owning a 360.
I'm an old school person who was 11 or 12 when Space Invaders hit the arcades so I have a taste for old school - hence my pleasure at seeing Layer Section and Gunbird 2 up there - but Mushi Futari is the first modern style STG I have enjoyed. I'm still working on my first 1CC of original (getting to level 4 mid boss with Abnormal Palm) and I use BL as a nice pallette cleanser at the end of a session. Quite, quite brilliant.
Maybe those with higher skill levels get bored with certain games a lot more quickly than people like me who struggle past level 3 of a shmup - but for what it's worth - I think the list is an excellent blend of old and new. I would love to see more modern takes on the old school style of game though.
(btw - I didn't vote - didn't meet the criteria).
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Yeah, I would die for a list of the best generic retro shmups.professor ganson wrote:That was my first thought as well about where to draw the line. There's a lot of knowledge on this board about those early console and arcade shmups. Would love to see people's lists!royalfan84 wrote:One list for every arcade or console shmup pre-dating the ps1-saturn era?
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You can't use a console or hardware generation to draw a line between 'retro' and 'bullet-hell' shmups.
'Old-school' shmups didn't stop with the arrival of bullet-hell around the PS1/Sat era.
Still, a bullet hell-free list would be interesting, yes...
'Old-school' shmups didn't stop with the arrival of bullet-hell around the PS1/Sat era.
Still, a bullet hell-free list would be interesting, yes...
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One could even argue that some pre-1990 games were bullet hell, so that doesn't work. Splitting a poll based on sub-genre is dumb anyways, especially since sub-genre lines are never evenly drawn. Splitting based on years is a possibly interesting and concrete restriction.
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Whatever the logic used to select a year or period of time, there will be too many legitimate games left out, so I don't see what makes it a better method.trap15 wrote:Splitting based on years is a possibly interesting and concrete restriction.
Making lists and 'tops' means taking stuff out okay, but even after eliminating the most obvious of what you don't want in it, there are still hundreds of games remaining.
Something based on more than one restriction would be feasible.
(but we know we're going to argue about each criteria and even after voting and seeing the results there will be people to call it 'dumb'.
)If it ever become a thing it should be based a precise idea, do people want a 'best of the mid-80's to mid-90's ? Including proto-bullet-hell or not ? Windows pc doujin or not ? Portable or not ? Etc.
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I would personally say that there are very few genuinely-loved "classic" shooters that came out after the PS1 era. Thereabouts wouldn't be a terrible cutoff point, even though I still think that would lead to some manic/bullet hell shooter votes. I think these lists are generally too restrictive (it would open up the competition a bit if Metal Slug and Robotron, etc were widely considered fair game) but for a more restricted list I don't think it would be too terrible to say "stick to PS1 era and before and don't pick any manic shooter or bullet hells."
There's some grey area but I think it's generally understood what that means. If not, "No Cave or Raizing" could do nicely. I've played pretty much everything on the top 25 so I'd be interested in seeing another perspective. Outside of Gradius and R-Type there's really very little representation for older/classic shooters. And I'm not just restricting this to classic horis, either.
Not to dismiss the top 25, of course. Touchstone list that led me to a bunch of great games—I've just played them all by now.
There's some grey area but I think it's generally understood what that means. If not, "No Cave or Raizing" could do nicely. I've played pretty much everything on the top 25 so I'd be interested in seeing another perspective. Outside of Gradius and R-Type there's really very little representation for older/classic shooters. And I'm not just restricting this to classic horis, either.
Not to dismiss the top 25, of course. Touchstone list that led me to a bunch of great games—I've just played them all by now.
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If there was any change I'd like to see, it would be having people rank every shmup they've ever played from favorite to least favorite -- none of this assigning points business -- and then using a Condorcet method to determine the ranking, in order to filter out the "lots of people have played this" bias.
Probably too hard to actually be practical, though.
(More reading on this, and probably the most practical way to pull this off in practice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemeny%E2% ... ung_method )
Probably too hard to actually be practical, though.
(More reading on this, and probably the most practical way to pull this off in practice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemeny%E2% ... ung_method )
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Ranking every shooter you've ever played would trivialize the differences between so many games that it'd be utterly meaningless at some point. "Uuuuuh... I guess I like Darius Twin more than Earth Defense Force?" Plus only the super most dedicated players (actually posters) would vote and your results would be super skewed away from reality.
IMO.
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What about something like Batsugun? It's sort of like a bullet hell, but sorta not at the same time? It's got one foot in each pool.Special World wrote:I would personally say that there are very few genuinely-loved "classic" shooters that came out after the PS1 era. Thereabouts wouldn't be a terrible cutoff point, even though I still think that would lead to some manic/bullet hell shooter votes. I think these lists are generally too restrictive (it would open up the competition a bit if Metal Slug and Robotron, etc were widely considered fair game) but for a more restricted list I don't think it would be too terrible to say "stick to PS1 era and before and don't pick any manic shooter or bullet hells."
There's some grey area but I think it's generally understood what that means. If not, "No Cave or Raizing" could do nicely. I've played pretty much everything on the top 25 so I'd be interested in seeing another perspective. Outside of Gradius and R-Type there's really very little representation for older/classic shooters. And I'm not just restricting this to classic horis, either.
Not to dismiss the top 25, of course. Touchstone list that led me to a bunch of great games—I've just played them all by now.
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EDIT: This is in response to Special World.
Possibly, but once you get there, you're probably looking at "games I don't really care about too much" territory anyways, and it's likely to get ranked among a bunch of mediocre games, which means with a Condorcet system, its exact placement isn't really important.
An example:
Let's say that this is attempted in 2016, and Futari is still wildly popular. Let's assume that I put Futari low on my list, but can't decide whether or not I like it more or less than Gradius II. So, my ballot would look something like:
DOJ
Garegga
Dragon Blaze
Border Down
Crimzon Clover
Kamui
Ketsui
[... lots more here...]
Futari
Gradius II (can't really decide between these two)
[...some more underneath these...]
Since Futari is overwhelmingly likely to beat Gradius II in the overall results with a Condorcet method, whether I rank Futari or Gradius II higher literally wouldn't matter; the only thing in my vote that would affect Futari's placement is where I placed it relative to the games that are likely to be its competition (DOJ, Garegga, Ketsui, etc).
Possibly, but once you get there, you're probably looking at "games I don't really care about too much" territory anyways, and it's likely to get ranked among a bunch of mediocre games, which means with a Condorcet system, its exact placement isn't really important.
An example:
Let's say that this is attempted in 2016, and Futari is still wildly popular. Let's assume that I put Futari low on my list, but can't decide whether or not I like it more or less than Gradius II. So, my ballot would look something like:
DOJ
Garegga
Dragon Blaze
Border Down
Crimzon Clover
Kamui
Ketsui
[... lots more here...]
Futari
Gradius II (can't really decide between these two)
[...some more underneath these...]
Since Futari is overwhelmingly likely to beat Gradius II in the overall results with a Condorcet method, whether I rank Futari or Gradius II higher literally wouldn't matter; the only thing in my vote that would affect Futari's placement is where I placed it relative to the games that are likely to be its competition (DOJ, Garegga, Ketsui, etc).
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Nice to see some of my favourites in the top 25 list, surprised by Futari making #1, but hey I forgot to vote so no complaints really!
Gotta see more Battle Bakraid love next year
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I think honestly you could just say which developers weren't allowed. Because from the list we can see if you knock out Cave, Raizing, Psikyo, Takumi, etc which are clearly bullet hell (or at least not "classic" shooters) you'd essentially be clearing half the board anyhow. And I think in that sense Batsugun does toe the line—Toaplan definitely falls into the list of "classic shooter" developers, and I don't think it would be a grievous sin to include Batsugun on the list.To Far Away Times wrote:What about something like Batsugun? It's sort of like a bullet hell, but sorta not at the same time? It's got one foot in each pool.
I would actually be more concerned with wiping out Raizing, because I consider those to be definitive "manic" shooters rather than bullet hells, and there's not much justification in saying "no Raizing" but then allowing Seibu on the list, considering Raiden Fighters has 80% of the same DNA.
Personally I would just knock out all the clear, iconic bullet hell devs and say "No Raiden Fighters and no Raizing." For whatever complaining that would lead to, I think it would result in a list that provided a fresh, alternate perspective on which games were great. I don't know that we'd even need a PS1-era limit, because so few actual worthwhile traditional shooters have been made since then. Bullet hell has almost completely dominated the scene.
But I'm not making such a poll or compiling such a list, so this is all navelgazing
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How many of Raizing's games aren't "classic", though? Mahou and Shippu definitely aren't bullet hell, but I haven't played any of the others outside of the Bat trilogy.
It'd probably be enough to say "No Cave, no Takumi, no Skonec, no Bat trilogy".
It'd probably be enough to say "No Cave, no Takumi, no Skonec, no Bat trilogy".
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25 shooters is already going to force people to start scratching their heads with rankings/placement - anything more than that would indeed be superfluous.
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Speculation time:
Siter Skain's Kamui / Alltynex trilogy saw a widespread release the same year as Crimzon Clover: WI, on a PC platform no less. Why do you think it is that it didn't see nearly the same level of support, despite being nearly at the top of the top doujins ranking Nifty conducted earlier in the year?
Do you think it's marketing? Or just because Kamui is a far, far older game than Crimzon Clover? Does an arcade release really matter that much?
I tend to think any new release is going to get some bandwagoning, but I think CC also benefited by aping the DDP series to build momentum (as opposed to Kamui aping the venerable but comparatively-obscure RayForce). Though I suppose one can say "why need Kamui on the list if you already have RayForce in the top 25?"
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Speculation time:
Siter Skain's Kamui / Alltynex trilogy saw a widespread release the same year as Crimzon Clover: WI, on a PC platform no less. Why do you think it is that it didn't see nearly the same level of support, despite being nearly at the top of the top doujins ranking Nifty conducted earlier in the year?
Do you think it's marketing? Or just because Kamui is a far, far older game than Crimzon Clover? Does an arcade release really matter that much?
I tend to think any new release is going to get some bandwagoning, but I think CC also benefited by aping the DDP series to build momentum (as opposed to Kamui aping the venerable but comparatively-obscure RayForce). Though I suppose one can say "why need Kamui on the list if you already have RayForce in the top 25?"
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Someone here had a crack at that not too long ago, actually.Shepardus wrote:I'd be interested in seeing a list for doujin shmups only, considering how dominant arcade releases are in the list.
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Did you paste the correct link? It leads to a discussion about an Esprade board.BulletMagnet wrote:Someone here had a crack at that not too long ago, actually.Shepardus wrote:I'd be interested in seeing a list for doujin shmups only, considering how dominant arcade releases are in the list.
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imo Crimzon Clover apes Rayforce and Ketsui more than it does Dodonpachi. No idea how it managed to break through, though.
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esprade is the top 25 doujin shmupsBonus! wrote:Did you paste the correct link? It leads to a discussion about an Esprade board.BulletMagnet wrote:Someone here had a crack at that not too long ago, actually.Shepardus wrote:I'd be interested in seeing a list for doujin shmups only, considering how dominant arcade releases are in the list.
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Whoops, not sure how that happened - the link should be fixed now.Bonus! wrote:Did you paste the correct link? It leads to a discussion about an Esprade board.
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Could always do a sorter like this http://tohosort.comoj.com/ and do Obscura's thing with the results, could be interesting.
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That took forever even with only 3 games selected.trap15 wrote:Could always do a sorter like this http://tohosort.comoj.com/ and do Obscura's thing with the results, could be interesting.
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Finally got the full results completed. Aplogies for the delay, I somehow managed to end up with a whole bunch of things to do at once. Platforms are usually mentioned only where specified.
Aaand the full developer voting results:
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###. Game Name Total Score|Votes|Vote Weight Score
Top 25:
001. Mushihimesama Futari / 1.5 / Black Label (360/ARC) : 7.130802 45 2.831008
002. Battle Garegga : 7.093400 49 2.512558
003. DoDonPachi Dai-Ou-Jou Black Label / White Label : 6.293503 43 2.263230
004. Ketsui ~Kizuna Jigoku Tachi~ : 6.225341 41 2.348682
005. DoDonPachi (SAT) : 5.215299 37 1.777535
006. Armed Police Batrider : 4.866755 34 1.696530
007. Ikaruga : 4.756563 33 1.674614
008. RayForce/Layer Section/Galactic Attack (ARC/SAT) : 4.257325 33 1.250610
009. Mushihimesama / 1.5 : 3.950724 29 1.276898
010. Crimzon Clover / World Ignition (PC/NESiCA) : 3.874443 27 1.355454
011. Radiant Silvergun : 3.625299 26 1.215527
012. Batsugun / Batsugun Special (ARC/SAT) : 3.474796 27 1.016033
013. Gradius V : 3.423988 21 1.402908
014. R-Type (ARC/PCE) : 3.383000 26 1.009742
015. ESPGaluda II (360/ARC) : 3.224978 24 1.018876
016. Mars Matrix : 3.215995 24 1.011246
017. Strikers 1945 II : 3.174016 24 0.975593
018. ESPGaluda : 3.164866 22 1.111164
019. Gunbird 2 : 3.136534 25 0.872089
020. Darius Gaiden : 3.043437 23 0.936363
021. Raiden Fighters Jet : 3.041591 22 1.006466
022. Ibara : 2.892703 20 1.023357
023. Deathsmiles / Mega Black Label : 2.878840 23 0.796571
024. Battle Bakraid : 2.830188 21 0.898593
025. DoDonPachi Saidaioujou (360) : 2.759370 20 0.910118
Honorable Mention:
026. ESP Ra.De. : 2.739923 23 0.678588
027. Soukyugurentai / Terra Diver : 2.646135 21 0.742276
028. Dragon Blaze : 2.642065 20 0.810490
029. Gradius Gaiden : 2.641393 18 0.953262
030. Raiden DX : 2.607346 20 0.781004
031. Thunder Force IV / Lightening Force : 2.521051 19 0.779384
032. Progear no Arashi : 2.519842 18 0.850028
033. DoDonPachi Daifukkatsu / 1.5 / Resurrection : 2.457999 17 0.869176
034. Muchi Muchi Pork! : 2.451404 18 0.791903
035. Giga Wing (DC) : 2.288443 19 0.581829
036. DonPachi (SAT) : 2.194569 19 0.502102
037. Eschatos : 2.008894 16 0.559421
038. R-Type Delta : 2.002575 14 0.697396
039. Under Defeat (DC) : 1.923117 15 0.558242
040. Dimahoo / Great Mahou Daisakusen : 1.922111 16 0.485716
041. Flying Shark / Hishouzame : 1.892760 15 0.532459
042. Akai Katana : 1.885382 15 0.526193
043. Twin Cobra / Kyukyoku Tiger (ARC/MD) : 1.865266 14 0.580780
044. Border Down : 1.777097 14 0.505897
045. Guwange : 1.724324 14 0.461077
046. Gradius II: Gofer no Yabou : 1.688150 13 0.502025
047. G-Darius : 1.657686 12 0.547824
048. DoDonPachi Daifukkatsu Black Label : 1.494581 09 0.624312
049. Raiden Fighters 2 : 1.486518 12 0.402450
050. Perfect Cherry Blossom [Touhou 7] : 1.463146 11 0.454271
051. Gradius / Nemesis : 1.435617 12 0.359220
052. Dangun Feveron : 1.415049 12 0.341752
The Rest:
053. Einhänder : 1.332748 11 0.343524
054. Twinkle Star Sprites : 1.324496 10 0.408187
055. Imperishable Night [Touhou 8] : 1.309110 11 0.323448
056. Recca [Summer Carnival '92] : 1.257495 11 0.279612
057. Thunder Force III : 1.209086 09 0.381840
058. Raiden : 1.196389 10 0.299385
059. Pink Sweets : 1.194823 08 0.441397
060. Ibara Kuro / Black Label : 1.186691 08 0.434490
061. Strikers 1999 / Strikers 1945 III : 1.153721 09 0.334818
062. Musha Aleste / M.U.S.H.A. : 1.106229 09 0.294483
063. Cho Ren Sha 68K (PC) : 1.093480 10 0.211984
064. Salamander 2 : 1.091853 08 0.353945
065. Cyvern: The Dragon Weapons : 1.002780 07 0.349966
066. Shikigami no Shiro II / Castle Shikigami II : 0.991706 08 0.268889
067. Hellsinker : 0.952486 06 0.378922
068. Raiden IV : 0.947225 07 0.302783
069. Lords of Thunder / Winds of Thunder : 0.919947 07 0.279615
070. Blazing Star : 0.919700 08 0.207735
071. Metal Black : 0.915041 08 0.203777
072. Tatsujin / Truxton (PCE/MD/ARC) : 0.904399 07 0.266410
073. Giga Wing 2 : 0.901959 07 0.264338
074. Raiden Fighters : 0.870189 07 0.237356
075. Akai Katana Shin (360) : 0.847244 06 0.289540
076. Psyvariar Revision / Medium Unit (PS2) : 0.833485 07 0.206183
077. G-Stream G2020 / DeltaZeal (360) : 0.830790 06 0.275566
078. Soldier Blade : 0.825148 07 0.199102
079. Mountain of Faith [Touhou 10] : 0.822947 07 0.197233
080. Fire Shark / Same! Same! Same! (MD) : 0.818989 07 0.193871
081. R-Type II : 0.804409 06 0.253160
082. Ginga Force : 0.798615 05 0.319910
083. Judgement Silversword : 0.782953 06 0.234937
084. Zanac Neo : 0.781410 06 0.233627
085. Sexy Parodius : 0.777168 07 0.158353
086. Gun.Smoke (ARC) : 0.776262 07 0.157584
087. R-Type Leo : 0.775033 06 0.228211
088. Zero Gunner 2 : 0.762080 07 0.145539
089. Gun Frontier : 0.759270 05 0.286495
090. Triggerheart Exelica (DC) : 0.737410 05 0.267929
091. Gradius III (SNES) : 0.729912 06 0.189889
092. Guardian Force : 0.701477 05 0.237410
093. R-Type Final : 0.699198 06 0.163804
094. 19XX: The War Against Destiny : 0.690956 06 0.156804
095. Salamander (ARC/PCE) / Life Force (ARC) : 0.681650 06 0.148900
096. Gradius IV : 0.676475 06 0.144506
097. Galaga : 0.665613 05 0.206952
098. Parodius Da! (ARC/SNES) : 0.659977 05 0.202164
099. Sengoku Blade / Tengai : 0.644754 05 0.189236
100. Thunder Dragon 2 : 0.620097 04 0.239965
101. Harmful Park : 0.618898 05 0.167276
102. Darius Burst: Another Chronicle / EX : 0.618211 04 0.238363
103. Caladrius / Caladrius Blaze : 0.613258 04 0.234157
104. Shienryu : 0.608670 05 0.158590
105. Strikers 1945 (SAT/ARC) : 0.598322 05 0.149801
106. Darius II : 0.584306 05 0.137897
107. Axelay : 0.581440 05 0.135463
108. Gradius III (ARC) : 0.576463 05 0.131236
109. Zanac (NES) : 0.575213 05 0.130174
110. Radirgy : 0.560908 04 0.189696
111. Bangai-O (DC) : 0.558023 04 0.187246
112. Undefined Fantastic Object [Touhou 12] : 0.555296 04 0.184930
113. Galaga '88 : 0.554775 04 0.184487
114. Undeadline (MD) : 0.539861 04 0.171821
115. Mr. Heli no Daibouken : 0.536563 04 0.169020
116. Blazing Lazers / Gunhed : 0.530849 04 0.164167
117. Kamui : 0.526197 04 0.160216
118. Deathsmiles II : 0.524853 04 0.159074
119. Trizeal (DC) : 0.523208 04 0.157677
120. Fantasy Zone II / II DX (System 16) : 0.516885 04 0.152308
121. Twinkle Tale : 0.510545 04 0.146923
122. Pulstar : 0.500253 04 0.138182
123. Viper Phase 1 : 0.499817 04 0.137811
124. Super Aleste / Space Megaforce : 0.497158 04 0.135553
125. Great Fairy Wars [Touhou 12.8] : 0.490141 02 0.272936
126. Viewpoint : 0.479269 04 0.120360
127. Revolver360 RE:ACTOR : 0.476248 04 0.117794
128. Kingdom Grandprix / Shippu Mahou Daisakusen : 0.476141 04 0.117704
129. R-Type III: The Third Lightning : 0.475410 04 0.117082
130. Vasara 2 : 0.468958 04 0.111603
131. OutZone : 0.448732 03 0.166096
132. Jamestown : 0.447179 03 0.164777
133. Psyvariar 2: The Will to Fabricate : 0.426616 04 0.075641
134. Fantasy Zone : 0.426280 03 0.147027
135. RayStorm : 0.424006 04 0.073425
136. Seisou Kouki Strania : 0.423885 03 0.144993
137. Xexex : 0.421406 04 0.071217
138. Cotton Boomerang : 0.416619 03 0.138823
139. X-Multiply : 0.413685 04 0.064659
140. Last Resort : 0.411583 03 0.134545
141. Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream [Touhou 3] : 0.400764 03 0.125356
142. Shikigami no Shiro III / Castle Shikigami III : 0.399553 03 0.124328
143. Mahou Daisakusen / Sorcer Striker : 0.399318 03 0.124129
144. Kiki Kaikai: Nazo no Kuro Manto / Pocky & Rocky : 0.398080 03 0.123077
145. Akkanvader / Space Invaders '95 : 0.393249 03 0.118974
146. Neo XYX : 0.389963 03 0.116183
147. Satazius : 0.386401 03 0.113158
148. Chaos Field : 0.379273 03 0.107104
149. Xevious : 0.376343 03 0.104615
150. Gokujou Parodius : 0.372720 03 0.101538
151. Radirgy Noa : 0.372364 03 0.101236
152. Bio-Hazard Battle / Crying : 0.371548 03 0.100543
153. Gunbird (SAT/ARC) : 0.369164 03 0.098519
154. Apidya : 0.368200 03 0.097700
155. Dogyuun : 0.365534 03 0.095436
156. Darius : 0.364758 02 0.166448
157. Space Invaders : 0.363384 03 0.093609
158. RayCrisis : 0.361767 03 0.092237
159. Brave Blade : 0.357830 03 0.088893
160. Hyper Duel : 0.357473 03 0.088590
161. Image Fight : 0.356862 03 0.088070
162. Embodiment of Scarlet Devil [Touhou 6] : 0.349555 03 0.081864
163. V-V [V-Five] : 0.343429 03 0.076662
164. Hellfire (MD) : 0.332868 03 0.067692
165. XII Stag / XIIZeal : 0.331832 03 0.066813
166. Robotron 2084 : 0.322914 02 0.130909
167. Tatsujin Oh : 0.321216 03 0.057796
168. P-47 Aces : 0.319238 03 0.056116
169. Shoot the Bullet [Touhou 9.5] : 0.313526 02 0.122936
170. Akashicverse -Malicious Wake- : 0.312484 02 0.122051
171. Battle Mania Daiginjou : 0.311131 03 0.049231
172. Strikers 1945 Plus : 0.310465 03 0.048665
173. Raiden III : 0.308481 03 0.046980
174. Karous : 0.306446 02 0.116923
175. Air Gallet : 0.302823 02 0.113846
176. Dragon Breed : 0.302105 03 0.041566
177. Area 88 / U.N. Squadron (ARC) : 0.301285 03 0.040869
178. Bio Metal : 0.295577 02 0.107692
179. Flame Zapper Kotsujin : 0.289360 03 0.030741
180. Blue Wish Resurrection / Plus : 0.270561 03 0.014775
181. Sonic Wings Special : 0.268619 02 0.084796
182. Subterranean Animism [Touhou 11] : 0.268073 02 0.084333
183. Jikkyo Oshaberi Parodius (PSX/SAT) : 0.262971 02 0.080000
183. Darius Burst / Second Prologue : 0.262971 02 0.080000
185. Mamoru-kun wa Norowarete Shimatta! : 0.261345 02 0.078619
186. Terra Cresta : 0.261160 02 0.078462
186. TwinBee Yahho! : 0.261160 02 0.078462
188. Varth: Operation Thunderstorm : 0.258052 02 0.075822
189. eXceed 3rd - Jade Penetrate / Black Package : 0.257928 02 0.075717
190. 1942 : 0.255726 02 0.073846
191. Super Fantasy Zone : 0.251851 02 0.070556
192. Kaikan : 0.249470 02 0.068534
193. Magical Chase : 0.248027 02 0.067308
194. Rapid Hero : 0.247064 02 0.066490
195. Raiden II : 0.244857 02 0.064615
196. Power Strike II (SMS) : 0.243933 02 0.063831
197. In The Hunt : 0.243783 02 0.063704
198. Gun.Smoke (NES) : 0.243347 02 0.063333
199. Eliminate Down : 0.242885 02 0.062941
200. Side Arms (PCE) : 0.241301 02 0.061595
201. Super R-Type : 0.238056 02 0.058839
202. Omega Fighter : 0.236526 02 0.057540
203. Exed Exes : 0.235185 02 0.056401
204. Granada (MD) : 0.233988 02 0.055385
205. UN Squadron (SNES) : 0.230127 02 0.052105
206. FixEight : 0.228950 02 0.051105
207. ring^-27 : 0.227648 02 0.050000
208. E.D.F.: Earth Defense Force : 0.227085 02 0.049522
209. Dragon Spirit : 0.224488 02 0.047316
210. Blast Wind : 0.223723 02 0.046667
211. Hydorah : 0.221247 02 0.044563
212. Bullet Soul / Infinite Burst : 0.220456 02 0.043892
213. Double Spoiler [Touhou 12.5] : 0.219331 02 0.042936
214. Phoenix : 0.214666 02 0.038974
215. Pink Sweets Arrange : 0.213254 02 0.037775
216. Sora : 0.210536 02 0.035466
217. Zed Blade / Operation Ragnarok : 0.208833 02 0.034020
218. Choplifter (SMS/ARC) : 0.208695 02 0.033903
219. Thunder Force V : 0.208299 02 0.033566
220. Ten Desires [Touhou 13] : 0.206295 02 0.031864
221. Gekirindan (SAT) : 0.205005 02 0.030769
222. Xeno Fighters R : 0.203798 02 0.029744
223. Phantasmagoria of Flower View [Touhou 9] : 0.202132 01 0.100000
224. Elemental Master : 0.201382 02 0.027692
225. Time Pilot '84 : 0.199973 02 0.026496
226. Gaiares : 0.190061 02 0.018077
227. Space Invaders Extreme 2 : 0.184596 01 0.085106
228. TwinBee : 0.184465 02 0.013325
229. Tempest : 0.178433 01 0.079872
230. Cotton 2 : 0.174960 01 0.076923
230. Power Strike (SMS) : 0.174960 01 0.076923
232. Every Extend Extra : 0.167714 01 0.070769
232. Alltynex 2nd : 0.167714 01 0.070769
234. Detana!! TwinBee : 0.162884 01 0.066667
235. Slap Fight : 0.160469 01 0.064615
236. Mad Planets : 0.159624 01 0.063898
237. Ashura Blaster : 0.156846 01 0.061538
237. Halley Wars (GG) : 0.156846 01 0.061538
239. Geometry Wars 2 : 0.153223 01 0.058462
239. Nexzr : 0.153223 01 0.058462
241. Thundercade : 0.149801 01 0.055556
242. RefleX : 0.149600 01 0.055385
243. Explosive Breaker : 0.147653 01 0.053731
244. Exzisus : 0.147185 01 0.053333
244. Thunder Force II : 0.147185 01 0.053333
246. The Guardian Legend : 0.145977 01 0.052308
247. Xevious Arrangement : 0.144770 01 0.051282
248. Gratia - Second Earth : 0.144139 01 0.050746
249. Gate of Thunder : 0.144005 01 0.050633
250. Sturmwind : 0.143260 01 0.050000
251. Cotton: Fantastic Night Dreams : 0.142354 01 0.049231
251. Fast Striker (DC) : 0.142354 01 0.049231
253. Space Manbow : 0.142106 01 0.049020
254. Space Giraffe : 0.140815 01 0.047923
255. Thunder Force AC : 0.138061 01 0.045584
255. Sengoku Ace : 0.138061 01 0.045584
257. Sky Adventure : 0.137109 01 0.044776
257. Super Spacefortress Macross : 0.137109 01 0.044776
259. Z-Out : 0.136334 01 0.044118
260. Andro Dunos : 0.133595 01 0.041791
261. Parsec47 : 0.133448 01 0.041667
261. Titanion : 0.133448 01 0.041667
263. Aero Fighters 2 : 0.131486 01 0.040000
263. Ordyne : 0.131486 01 0.040000
263. Papilio : 0.131486 01 0.040000
263. Lightning Fighter (iOS) : 0.131486 01 0.040000
263. Homura : 0.131486 01 0.040000
263. Sanvein : 0.131486 01 0.040000
263. Daioh : 0.131486 01 0.040000
263. Super Spacefortress Macross II : 0.131486 01 0.040000
263. Direct-X : 0.131486 01 0.040000
272. Argus : 0.131112 01 0.039683
272. Black Heart : 0.131112 01 0.039683
274. Gradius Galaxies : 0.128463 01 0.037433
275. Space Bomber : 0.127863 01 0.036923
276. Thunder Blaster : 0.126565 01 0.035821
276. Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth : 0.126565 01 0.035821
278. Beamrider : 0.124790 01 0.034314
279. Game Tengoku : 0.121288 01 0.031339
280. Score Rush / MP : 0.120617 01 0.030769
281. Omega Five : 0.120365 01 0.030556
282. Tempest 3000 : 0.118244 01 0.028754
283. Star Force (NES) : 0.117439 01 0.028070
284. Slap Fight MD : 0.117095 01 0.027778
285. Choutetsu Brikin'ger - Ironclad : 0.116021 01 0.026866
286. Radio Zonde : 0.115787 01 0.026667
287. Rayxanber III : 0.114579 01 0.025641
287. Gyruss : 0.114579 01 0.025641
289. Aleste II : 0.113371 01 0.024615
290. Double Dealing Character [Touhou 14] : 0.111394 01 0.022936
291. Galaxian : 0.111224 01 0.022792
292. Katakis (C64) : 0.110721 01 0.022364
293. Gradius Rebirth : 0.109748 01 0.021538
293. Air Zonk : 0.109748 01 0.021538
293. Illvelo : 0.109748 01 0.021538
296. Earth Joker: U.N. Defense Force : 0.108991 01 0.020896
297. Astebreed : 0.108127 01 0.020161
297. Warning Forever : 0.108127 01 0.020161
299. Shikigami no Shiro : 0.107937 01 0.020000
299. GunNail : 0.107937 01 0.020000
299. Sonic Boom : 0.107937 01 0.020000
302. Acrobat Mission : 0.106193 01 0.018519
303. XOP Black / Ultra : 0.106125 01 0.018462
304. Darius Force : 0.105045 01 0.017544
305. Uridium 2 : 0.103197 01 0.015974
306. Night Raid : 0.103078 01 0.015873
307. Kidou Soukou Dion / Imperium : 0.102503 01 0.015385
307. Twin Cobra II / Kyukyoku Tiger II : 0.102503 01 0.015385
307. Ryu Jin : 0.102503 01 0.015385
310. Geometry Wars 3 : 0.102050 01 0.015000
311. Dark Fusion : 0.101703 01 0.014706
311. Xecutor : 0.101703 01 0.014706
313. Uwabami Breakers : 0.100741 01 0.013889
313. Twin Tiger Shark : 0.100741 01 0.013889
315. Cardinal Sins : 0.100087 01 0.013333
315. Prehistoric Isle 2 : 0.100087 01 0.013333
315. Rabio Lepus : 0.100087 01 0.013333
315. Sky Kid : 0.100087 01 0.013333
315. Change Air Blade : 0.100087 01 0.013333
315. Advanced Busterhawk Gleylancer : 0.100087 01 0.013333
315. Macross: Scrambled Valkyrie : 0.100087 01 0.013333
315. Giga Wing Generations : 0.100087 01 0.013333
315. Robo Aleste : 0.100087 01 0.013333
315. Seirei Senshi Spriggan : 0.100087 01 0.013333
325. Millipede : 0.098880 01 0.012308
326. Silpheed (SCD) : 0.097471 01 0.011111
326. Wings of Wor : 0.097471 01 0.011111
326. Zaxxon : 0.097471 01 0.011111
329. Kokuga : 0.096914 01 0.010638
329. Bangai-O HD: Missile Fury : 0.096914 01 0.010638
329. Tumiki Fighters : 0.096914 01 0.010638
329. Space Invaders Extreme : 0.096914 01 0.010638
333. Aero Chimera : 0.096163 01 0.010000
333. Gemini Wing : 0.096163 01 0.010000
333. Quantized Blaze : 0.096163 01 0.010000
333. TxK : 0.096163 01 0.010000
337. Samidare : 0.095257 01 0.009231
338. DonPaccin : 0.094901 01 0.008929
339. Stella Vanity : 0.094539 01 0.008621
339. Magical Singular Day -Absolution- : 0.094539 01 0.008621
339. eXceed 2nd : 0.094539 01 0.008621
339. Phantasmagoria Trues : 0.094539 01 0.008621
343. Commando : 0.093110 01 0.007407
344. Blade Buster : 0.092186 01 0.006623
344. Galmedes : 0.092186 01 0.006623
346. Gun-Nac : 0.091912 01 0.006390
347. Super Darius II : 0.091355 01 0.005917
347. 1943: The Battle of Midway : 0.091355 01 0.005917
349. Gallop - Armed Police Unit : 0.090685 01 0.005348
350. Dragon Saber (PCE) : 0.088011 01 0.003077
350. Battle Squadron (Amiga) : 0.088011 01 0.003077
350. Star Soldier R : 0.088011 01 0.003077Aaand the full developer voting results:
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##. Game Name Total Score|Votes
Top 13:
01. Cave 24,406 35
02. Raizing / 8ing 22,745 34
03. Psikyo 19,922 35
04. Konami 18,931 32
05. Toaplan / Crux 18,275 31
06. Taito 17,909 31
07. Seibu Kaihatsu 17,882 31
08. Treasure 12,054 23
09. Irem 11,382 24
10. Technosoft 8,771 18
11. Compile 7,518 17
12. Capcom 7,206 19
13. Takumi 6,797 14
Honorable Mention:
14. G.rev 6,461 14
15. Team Shanghai Alice / ZUN 6,225 11
16. Triangle Service 4,669 10
17. Namco 4,597 13
18. Yotsubane 4,269 07
19. MOSS 4,071 07
20. NMK 3,926 07
The Rest:
21. Milestone / Klon 2,681 04
22. Aicom / Yumekobo 2,416 04
23. Qute 2,396 08
24. Visco 2,310 06
25. Siter Skain 1,991 05
26. Amusement Makers 1,832 03
27. Hudson Soft 1,820 05
28. Alfa System 1,748 04
29. Success 1,390 03
30. Nichibutsu 1,272 03
31. Video System Co. 1,250 04
32. Sega 1,233 02
33. Kenta Cho / ABA Games 1,195 04
34. Skonec 1,194 03
35. UPL 1,178 03
36. Kaneko 1,084 02
37. Williams 1,047 02
38. Masaya / NCS 1,022 02
39. Astro Port 990 03
40. Endless-Shirafu 836 02
41. Natsume 734 02
42. Sting 726 01
43. Orange Juice 724 02
44. Alpha Denshi / ADK 682 02
45. 5pb. 675 01
46. Red Entertainment 630 02
47. Famibe no Yosshin 621 01
48. x.x 562 01
49. Tecmo 480 02
49. Llamasoft 480 02
51. Jaleco 410 01
52. Atlus 377 01
53. Temperance Lance 370 01
54. Sky Think Systems 347 01
55. Xona Games 320 01
56. Rake In Grass 279 01
57. Gustav 272 01
57. Manfred Trenz 272 01
59. Midway 251 01
59. Pixel 251 01
61. SNK 232 01
61. Warashi 232 01
61. Atari 232 01
64. Squaresoft 218 01
65. Allumer 215 01
66. FACE 212 01
66. Artesneit 212 01
68. Wolf Team 200 01Live to fly, fly to live, it's all very orthodox
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Re: 12th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time - Results
Anyone know if there's any top X lists from the Japanese shmup community? I know I saw a French one at one point, but I can't find it again. I'm just really curious of the similarities and differences between the preferences of different shmup communities.
Also: Thank you so much for all of the hard work, Nifty!
Also: Thank you so much for all of the hard work, Nifty!
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Re: 12th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time - Results
The French did it only once in 2012 and this was the result (over 70 voters):
Top 15 taking each voter's individual ranking into account;
http://forum.shmup.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16812
Top 15 taking each voter's individual ranking into account;
Full voted games list without individual ranking at the top of this page;1. Dodonpachi (152 points)
2. Thunder Force III (135 points)
3. R-Type (128 points)
4. Gradius V (126 points)
5. Thunder Force IV (119 points)
6. Radiant Silvergun (118 points)
7. Mushihime-sama Futari Black Label (114 points)
8. Ikaruga (93 points)
8. Ketsui (93 points)
8. Mushihime-sama Futari (93 points)
11. Layer Section (88 points)
12. Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu (86 points)
12. Under Defeat (86 points)
14. Super Aleste (81 points)
15. ESPGaluda II (75 points)
http://forum.shmup.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16812
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