Shmups PG-13?

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:14 pm

Since when has "Shmups" become PG-13?
I mean, no pics of sexy video game girlies allowed. No blatant cussing allowed, no open discussion of "certain things". Not to mention, over active mods.

I'm going to start calling this place Shmupfaqs.com for now on I think...

Darkcomet72 · Post by **Darkcomet72** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:24 pm

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:Since when has "Shmups" become PG-13?
I mean, no pics of sexy video game girlies allowed. No blatant cussing allowed, no open discussion of "certain things". Not to mention, over active mods.

I'm going to start calling this place Shmupfaqs.com for now on I think...

Gamefaqs went wrong for completely different reasons. Too much of that stuff in the random "other" boards (and too much insanity....ugh).

And OVERMODERATION? Mabye Undermoderation at Gamefaqs(well, at least right now). They do moderate some stupid stuff, however.

Gamefaqs is a good site, really, if you stay away from the forums(and any of those Character/Game contests).

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:04 pm

Every time I see that blue modedit I

The locking of topics seems unnecessary at least 50% of the time. And that sticky. Seems more personal interest to have it there than board interest. The Trizeal topic has over 5000 hits, I don't think people have missed Triangle Service's letter.

The last group of moderators seemed a bit more discreet. All I really remember are topics being moved to appropriate sections. Other than that it seemed pretty self-regulating.

Zhon · Post by **Zhon** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:24 pm

Isn't the mod group entirely the same? As for moderation, it's better to have slightly overvigiliant mods than ones that are too slack.

marcus12024 · Post by **marcus12024** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:31 pm

For the most part sites like this are self-moderating. By that I mean that if someone is consistently being a jackass, they'll be ignored/yelled at to the point that they'll get bored and leave. Seems to happen every once in a while.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:34 pm

Zhon wrote:Isn't the mod group entirely the same?

No.

Kiel · Post by **Kiel** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:48 pm

What, no swearing?

Post by **system11** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:04 am

It's fine to say 'that fucking level 3 killed me again!'. I say it all the time on IRC in fact, because DOJ is treating me like a little bitch.

Think context..

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:12 am

Most of us were minors when we first started shmupping. Try to remember that. We will not make Shmups Forum an inappropriate place for minors for the sake of a few adults who wish to be more sexually explicit in their activities. So the participation of minors is encouraged here, and the site is not self-regulating. So sometimes a warning will be posted on certain threads for minors, other times individual explicit messages in otherwise kosher topics may be modded. However we have no legal commitment to do this, it is "best efforts only" on the part of mods in line with all the legal disclaimers when you join up, and we have no legal liability for any messages we may overlook or not action. OT...

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:24 am

^Yea, but there was nothing "sexually explicit" about those video game girl pics.
I personally feel this way, if the said minor is playing Sengoku Blade, well thats nothing he hasen't already seen before on MTV, etc,etc.
I could understand if it was all out porn in bad taste...

So, I guess Shmups.com really is PG-13 now.

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:28 am

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:^Yea, but there was nothing "sexually explicit" about those video game girl pics.

What are you talking about? I didn't mod any of the pics, just changed embedded images to URL references so people casually browsing the topic at work wouldn't get huge anime jugs flashed all over their screen.

The only thing that was modded in that topic was 1 user's post where he gave details on a sexual act he just did.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:36 am

Thunder Force wrote:people casually browsing the topic at work wouldn't get huge anime jugs flashed all over their screen.

Then probably shouldn't click on a topic called "hot shmup chicks."

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:42 am

Every time I see that blue modedit I Rolling Eyes

The locking of topics seems unnecessary at least 50% of the time. And that sticky. Seems more personal interest to have it there than board interest. The Trizeal topic has over 5000 hits, I don't think people have missed Triangle Service's letter.

The last group of moderators seemed a bit more discreet. All I really remember are topics being moved to appropriate sections. Other than that it seemed pretty self-regulating.

well said

browsing the topic at work

I have better ethics than to be screwing over my employer, who is a great guy. I'm paid by the hour though...(I'm only 18). IMO someone who you would do that to is someone you should not work for.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:42 am

As far as huge anime jugs on the screen(at least shooter game related, not hentia) well, one could possibly judge the content of that thread just by reading the title.

As far as "pre-ejaculation" amoung shmup-o's, well I thought that was pretty funny...funny, but very geeky as well.
It is nice looking art though...

Hey, someone has to question authority around here.

Oh BTW: Just what would you be doing looking at "Hot Shmup Chick" threads while you're supposed to be working anyway. As if your boss is paying your salary to browze the internet!

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:51 am

Kosh made a few mistakes when he became a mod, but he got better and look at him now (besides the new name I refuse to acknowledge

)

TF is fairly new to moderating too, just be less 'trigger happy' and things will work out. This place will never become a serious click-stick like place anyways with threads like 'do shmups make you cry?' It's the nature of a big forum.

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:06 am

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:Oh BTW: Just what would you be doing looking at "Hot Shmup Chick" threads while you're supposed to be working anyway.

You'll find there is an incredible rate of forum use among work folks. Places like the Edge Magazine forums are probably 50%+ perused from offices. Some IRC channels too. I guess it keeps people with repetitive tasks sane.

Post by **system11** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:16 am

Neon wrote: I have better ethics than to be screwing over my employer, who is a great guy. I'm paid by the hour though...(I'm only 18 ). IMO someone who you would do that to is someone you should not work for.

Wow, wait until you end up working in corporateland. You'll get screwed there so hard by your employer all you can do is sit in a daze browsing google.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:23 am

Some of you guys are pretty lucky being able to browse the internet while at work. I remember getting bitched at for having a smoke break at a previous job...yea, one fucking cigarette! Hell, we were even entiled to a such break at least every hour...as long as things weren't hectic.

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:42 am

IMO shmups has become far better than what it used to be in terms of moderation. There are less powertrips, still no political trolling, and it's just less of a crapfest in general. I think the old forums dying was one of the best things to happen to this place.

LoneSage · Post by **LoneSage** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:48 am

Huh, place seems fine to me.

Except for that silly rule for no siggies; I actually liked sega-16's image.

If anyone ever read the rules at the old forum, the guy said sig images were allowed, but at a certain limit. For some reason it evolved into no siggies at all.

Strychnine · Post by **Strychnine** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 3:04 am

I agree with the over-moderation. It's getting to the point of censorship, and worse still - a lot of the posts in question get censored due to simply personal feelings on the subject matter. Posts do not need to be edited because someone asserts a strong opinion (and without crass language).

And with something like the hot shmuppers thread - a simple 18+ or 14+ (WHATEVER) added to the title would be enough. If someone doesn't want to view it, that would warn them. Plus, although there may be minors - there is nothing to stop them from getting their kicks on the internet from another source...moderating things like that to make the forum plushy and child friendly is quite futile in the wake of the internet being one large cess pool of filthy. Warning someone on a given subject however is perfectly logical and an exercise in what anyone who isn't a waste of life needs to learn - SELF-MODERATION.

I feel the moderators could concentrate on locking threads its the pointless points that can easily answered via google or the search function instead if they feel the need to, ahem "get their mod on" [sic].

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 3:35 am

"Easily answered via Google" is a matter of opinion, because some questions cannot be. And this site SHOULD be, IMO, a safe place to ask questions about games. I've Googled for games lot's of times, and then asked about them here after getting little or no info-only to be hammered by people who still refuse to believe that I even use Google.

It's THAT kind of nonsense, judgemental flaming that needs to be more regulated around here. No one on this site should get blasted just because they overlooked one out of 500,000 Google results.

As far as the sexy shmup girls thread goes, I don't even see what place that has on this site. This site is about GAMING, not about posting pictures of some gal-regardless of whether or not she's dressing like a shmup character- with her boobs on a friggin' silver platter so every guy on this site can slobber over it.

As for swearing, if people want to cuss their heads off about how frustrated they are with a shmup, or console, fine. But using foul language against other forum members is nothing less then childish and rude and should be regulated. It isn't censorship to demand that people who disagree with one another be intelligent enough to forumlate a response that isn't peppered with swear words.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:01 am

Dave, don't you think that your overreacting a bit here?

The anime girls are fine and within the sites context...they are female characters featured in our favorite shooting games. Even from certian points of view, the images are artistic and not obscene. Yea, some of em have big boobs, so whats the crime in that.

As far as "regulating" what people say...well, thats censorship any way you look at it. If somebody wants to be a ass, then thats their problem, the mods shouldn't feel they have to baby-sit every members every word.
It should be a friendly website, and for the most part it is, its just that the world and the people in it are not always friendly. You're going to deal with human nature either online or off. Shmups is no exception from this.

Also, Dave, you haven't been a member here that long. Believe it or not, but there was a time when there were no mods whatsoever, and things actually went smoother than you would think.
The site has grown a bit since then though...
I just don't want to see this place become a "Mod-Fest". Before you know it, the mods will be "chaining" and deleting posts/locking threads faster than Sonic The Hedgehog can run through a loop dee loop.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:18 am

Strych serves Dave, Dave serves Strych.

It's on.

now they have to have a dance competition next shmupmeet.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:39 am

My only complaint is the stickys (as pointed out by Neon)...how long was the Ketsui petition up there?

It isn't really the idea of stickys themselves, but rather what needs to be up there. The following stickies REALLY need to be in the on-topic forum.

-Complete shmup list for each system (at least Saturn, PSX, DC and PS2) including recommendations for 'essential titles' on each console.
-How to decide on multiple ports (the donpachis, thunderforce V, Strikers, etc.)
-Last years top 25 list.

Eh, that would probably be enough, and would cut down on HUNDREDS of repeated topics. Each sticky could be run by a user the way the hi score threads are run. The great thing is, people could still continue to post to these threads as new info became available, while the person running the thread could subsequently update the first post to reflect information about the question (example: 'what shmups should I get for my psx?')

Let's save ourselves a little work and put those stickys to use!!!

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:36 am

CMoon wrote:-Complete shmup list for each system

Wouldn't the Xenocide files more or less cover that, though? I know that there are omissions and inaccuracies in it, but for the most part I don't think we need a separate topic just to list everything...a 'recommendations' thread is different though.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:38 am

I understand your concerns TWITCH, and I also appreciate the respect that you've given me since I first became a member.

Cmoon's idea is a great one; doing what he suggests would eliminate the need for a lot of questions in the first place.

And Neon, I'm not trying to start a verbal volley-fest with Strych, and was not attacking him personally. All I was trying to say is that part of the reason gaming sites like this exist, IMO, is so that people can get information that's beneficial to their gaming hobbies. No one deserves to be flamed for asking a question; much less someone who has searched before asking. I often have, and have still been insulted. And, I'm sure that Malc, the original creator of this site, would agree that that type of behavior doesn't belong on this forum.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:41 am

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote: I just don't want to see this place become a "Mod-Fest". Before you know it, the mods will be "chaining" and deleting posts/locking threads faster than Sonic The Hedgehog can run through a loop dee loop.

Agreed. Like the ZSnes boards which are over-modded. With some of the mod abusing their powers, such as the time they deleted EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE POSTS OF EVERY MEMBER FOR THE FUN OF IT, without punishment at all.

(Just stating this as the worst case scenario template. No inference intended.)

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:52 am

I actually had to close that window as soon as it opened while I was at work, as it had the potential to cause issues. You wouldn't believe the HR training we have to take.

But I don't have any problems with the topic/thread itself. I knew I shouldn't have clicked the link ... just had to. I like the threads at fark.com, if there is any questionable imagery, they append (NSFW) or (possibly NSFW) to the title.

Obviously nothing in that thread had nudity, but over here where lawsuits run rampant, it doesn't take much to stir the HR monkeys.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:13 am

dave4shmups wrote:I understand your concerns TWITCH, and I also appreciate the respect that you've given me since I first became a member.

Cmoon's idea is a great one; doing what he suggests would eliminate the need for a lot of questions in the first place.

And Neon, I'm not trying to start a verbal volley-fest with Strych, and was not attacking him personally. All I was trying to say is that part of the reason gaming sites like this exist, IMO, is so that people can get information that's beneficial to their gaming hobbies. No one deserves to be flamed for asking a question; much less someone who has searched before asking. I often have, and have still been insulted. And, I'm sure that Malc, the original creator of this site, would agree that that type of behavior doesn't belong on this forum.

Hey Dave, don't be so naive...Its clear to me that Neon just likes to tease you for some reason. Anyway, regardless, you better hit that dance mat and start working on those moves!! Watch Saturday Night Fever and Urban Cowboy for some "replay" style pointers.

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