Under Defeat (old thread)

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:27 pm

Y^nO wrote:Hello all, i'm from belgium and i'm a shmup player

Someone give this man a prize!

Oh and welcome to the boards! I think you are our second Belgian member (highlandcattle being from Antwerpen/Anvers).

BBH · Post by **BBH** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:54 pm

BBH - 1,378,030 - 1-4 - Normal

go figure, now that I'm scoring better I haven't been able to reach 1-5 again.

by the way this game has the worst font ever, I keep thinking that the 4's are 1's.

it290 · Post by **it290** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:12 am

I agree on the font, it doesn't suit the game at all.

BBH · Post by **BBH** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:53 am

it290 wrote:I agree on the font, it doesn't suit the game at all.

totally.

so um, I played it again tonight and beat my old score on my first life. Wow. Was so close to beating the 1-4 boss on that first life too...

BBH - 1,780,710 - 1-5 - Normal

Y^nO · Post by **Y^nO** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:01 pm

tiny up^^

1 405 450 Pts 1-4 normal

BBH · Post by **BBH** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:43 am

I think I've played this a little much over the last couple days. BUT I MUST PRESS ON! (still haven't even reached the last boss on a single credit...)

BBH - 1,946,430 - 1-5 - Normal

BBH · Post by **BBH** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:41 am

OKAY I'M DONE POSTING IN THIS THREAD FOR A LITTLE WHILE, I THINK

BBH - 2,846,630 - 2-2 - Normal

(reached the last boss on my first life, then lost two lives there. Unfortunately I used a bomb to kill the last boss, which is a loss of a guaranteed 100k. Oh well, I just didn't want to fuck it up)

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:35 am

Update.

And congratulations on your feat, BBH!

EDIT:

BBH wrote:(reached the last boss on my first life, then lost two lives there. Unfortunately I used a bomb to kill the last boss, which is a loss of a guaranteed 100k. Oh well, I just didn't want to fuck it up)

I didn't even know bombs could hurt the final boss. I thought the final form will only take damage when you fire into the gun barrel.

BBH · Post by **BBH** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:16 pm

CIT wrote:I didn't even know bombs could hurt the final boss. I thought the final form will only take damage when you fire into the gun barrel.

Yeah, bombs won't do much damage, but it definitely hurts the boss. Watch the 1-5 replay (the non-extra one) and you'll see the player use a bomb near the end, and the bar slowly dwindles down.

If you're feeling saucy, you can also try getting close to the boss and crashing your Option into it, but that won't do much damage either. Seems like a rocket fired against any part of the boss will usually do damage too, but obviously not as much as when you send the rocket down the barrel.

it290 · Post by **it290** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:01 am

Some marginal improvement after a few more hours of play:

it290 - 1,306,680 - 1-4 - Normal

duomaxwell · Post by **duomaxwell** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:17 pm

858100

stage 1-3 reverse mode

it290 · Post by **it290** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:27 pm

little bump

it290 - 1,448,070 - 1-4 - Normal

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:40 am

Kiken - 1,677,950 - 1-5 - Normal

Finally managed to get to stage 5 (granted, I haven't played this this in over a week).

Trevor spencer · Post by **Trevor spencer** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:57 am

Trevor spencer 1,066,150 1-4 Normal

Trevor spencer · Post by **Trevor spencer** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:59 pm

Trevor spencer 1,215,830 1-4 Normal

the allett · Post by **the allett** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:50 pm

Hi

Very nice game,

The Allett 1,822,110 1-5 Reverse

Getting to 1-5 with all lives but those 3 tanks that circle around are getting the better of me

BBH · Post by **BBH** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:14 am

HELLO AGAIN!

BBH - 3,925,240 - 2-4 - Normal

hahahaha christ. I don't know if I'm going to be able to beat this

I almost 1-lifed the first loop. Swear to god, all I had to do was fire one rocket anywhere against the last boss, but first I had to dodge those parallel lines of fire while it recharged... and unfortunately I misjudged the spacing (I was out of bombs too). Dammit. Both of the remaining lives were lost in 2-4. Last life was a fairly embarassing death too due to one nasty little surprise that I wasn't expecting in the second loop. Really though, getting past 2-4 is going to be really friggin hard. I mean, with the increased rate of fire, tons of enemies shooting homing missiles that release suicide bullets when destroyed... it's just so much. Oh, and 2-3 is no walk in the park either, especially the boss... the missiles it launches actually fire in 4 directions, and the wings release a huge array of suicide bullets when you destroy them. Ouch. Nothing like a second loop to break me out of my usual bomb-hoarding habits...

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:56 pm

BBH wrote:HELLO AGAIN!

BBH - 3,925,240 - 2-4 - Normal

hahahaha christ. I don't know if I'm going to be able to beat this

You're going to have to start recording your playthroughs.

Also, level 5 is quite insane in the second loop.

Trevor spencer · Post by **Trevor spencer** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:01 pm

Trevor spencer 1,315,350 1-4 Normal

BBH · Post by **BBH** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:19 pm

Kiken wrote:You're going to have to start recording your playthroughs.

I definitely would if I had some means of capturing video.

Also, level 5 is quite insane in the second loop.

Indeed. The last boss makes me cry, the turrets in the second form release suicide bullets when destroyed. That's just not cool.

louisg · Post by **louisg** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:15 am

Wow, congrats, BBH! Got any favorite strategies to share? =)

it290 · Post by **it290** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:31 am

it290 - 1,727,330 - 1-5 - Normal

Phew -- that stage 5 midboss is some shit. I had read BBH's tips about the pod colors, but I totally forgot them, as this was the first time I had gotten to this guy. Probably be a little while before I pull another one of those runs, as I am constantly bumping into stupid shit in this game.

BBH · Post by **BBH** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:21 am

louisg wrote:Wow, congrats, BBH! Got any favorite strategies to share? =)

uh... nothing I can think of off the top of my head

but here's a crosspost from another forum of how I handle Option use throughout the game in case you were curious.

1-1 - stick with Vulcan for most of the level, switch to Rocket on the second power-up for the boss
1-2 - Cannon the whole way through, including the boss
1-3 - switch to Vulcan at the beginning, then Rocket before the boss
1-4 - same thing, Vulcan for most of the level, Rocket before boss
1-5 - Cannon for most of the level, then Rocket before last boss

I try not to worry too much about wiping out every enemy for the "contribution bonus" or whatever, I'm more concerned with making sure I get Option kills on 5000/10000-point enemies.

scoring-wise I think my best scores for each level are 287k after 1-1, 878k after 1-2, 1.34 mllion after 1-3, 1.88 million after 1-4, and a little over 2.6 million after the loop (I don't think I cleared 1-5 on the 1.88 million game...)

it290 wrote:Phew -- that stage 5 midboss is some shit. I had read BBH's tips about the pod colors, but I totally forgot them, as this was the first time I had gotten to this guy. Probably be a little while before I pull another one of those runs, as I am constantly bumping into stupid shit in this game.

yeah, that thing totally handed its ass to me the first time I reached it. Then I realized that you only need to destroy one wing of the plane to kill it (and to take out one wing you have to destroy both propellers on the wing). Best thing to do IMO is to get the Cannon power-up before the battle, then let it loose right when the midboss has fully come down. I recommend deploying it on the propeller that's closer to the middle part. Then move to the side and concentrate all your regular gunfire on the propeller near the edge of the screen. With any luck you'll be able to destroy them both around the same time. (also regarding the pod colors - it seems like the order of the first 4 pods is always Green, Green, Green, Purple. Maybe it changes based on rank?)

I have more problems with those hover-things right before the last boss now. I thought I had those things figured out, and then I died on them. It's hard to keep track of where all three of their cannons are aiming

Now I just puss out and use a bomb near the beginning.

SuperGrafx · Post by **SuperGrafx** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:48 pm

I'm not very good at this yet, need more practice.
Here's the best I can do right now:

SuperGrafx 737,140 1-3 Normal

BBH · Post by **BBH** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:35 am

Come on guys, keep playing! I want to see somebody else reach the loop.

I don't think there's enough demand for more lists, but I'm going to post these scores just for fun.

Hard difficulty:
BBH - 2,729,070 - 2-0 - Normal
(cleared the first loop and didn't have the ratio to go into the second loop. Bite me.)

starting from 2-1 (Normal):
BBH - 2,182,090 - 2-5 - Normal
(reached the second form of the last boss)

fun fact - my high score for 1-1 now is 290,760. The in-game Extra Replay scores 279k.

(and yes, I'm aware that one could easily break 300k by dying once or twice for bigger end-of-level bonus, I suppose 340k would be possible with an extra 40k (and an extra 10k from the powerup items left after you die). But that doesn't count.)

it290 · Post by **it290** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:12 pm

I'm still playing regularly, but I haven't been able to beat my score yet. I hope to clear the first loop, but 1-5 is a big hurdle for me right now. The floating mech/pod things and the boss are going to take a fair bit of practice.

I wouldn't mind a score attack board. I think my highest score for 1-1 (w/o dying) is around 285k. Wouldn't mind knowing where you're getting that extra 5k from. Right now I'm taking out all the big targets, towers, and a good number of tanks and helis out with the vulcan, and I don't switch to the rocket until around the last cannon. Maybe it's a time thing? I normally beat the boss with 35 seconds left on the clock.

BBH · Post by **BBH** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:29 am

it290 wrote:I wouldn't mind a score attack board. I think my highest score for 1-1 (w/o dying) is around 285k. Wouldn't mind knowing where you're getting that extra 5k from. Right now I'm taking out all the big targets, towers, and a good number of tanks and helis out with the vulcan, and I don't switch to the rocket until around the last cannon. Maybe it's a time thing? I normally beat the boss with 35 seconds left on the clock.

You're pretty much doing the same thing I'm doing (Vulcan at beginning, Cannon for second power-up), but yeah it seems to be a time thing. I can sometimes kill the boss with 44 seconds left, I think that's pretty much the fastest time possible while still getting the three 5000x2's and the two 10000x2's.

Fire a rocket at the beginning and start shooting, hope the rocket takes out the middle part. Then this is the hardest part, when the boss moves back up, do as much damage to the side turrets without destroying them. Optimally you want to have both of them emitting sparks by the time the rocket is ready to be recharged, then fire it. As the boss turns around, again do as much damage as possible to the spots on the back of the boss without destroying them. Then when the rocket's charged, crash the option into the back of the boss instead of firing the rocket since it's faster, if you time it right you can get both 10000x2's just by crashing it.

NTSC-J · Post by **NTSC-J** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:39 pm

BBH, if you need more incentive to keep playing, the top score I saw at the arcade the other day was ~6,5 million. I never see anyone playing it, so this might be one of the tip-top scores.

oxtsu · Post by **oxtsu** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:39 pm

Pretty close...the current WR is 7.1 million.

Zach Keene · Post by **Zach Keene** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:24 pm

I'm a little late to the party...

Zach Keene - 346,640 - 1-2 - Reverse