XRGB-3
Yeah, there's a HD and a VP30 on there, but the guy selling the VP30 has 0 feedback, so I am sceptical. Especially with something like this.zakk wrote:Yeah, ebay. Search for 'iScan' and that should bring up a bunch. I think I had some good timing here, but I would imagine similar deals can be had with patience
The video you posted looks amazing by the way. Quality is top-notch.
And that's post-resistors on the RGB signals!
The capture device is a Hauppauge HD-PVR (http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html)
The capture device is a Hauppauge HD-PVR (http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html)
Fudoh wrote:very nice video, signal levels are a bit too high (= turn down the contrast), but excellent quality.
What's your capture device ?
I was (and am) still confused about the XRGB3's ability to create emulated scanline. I had a friend email Micomsoft about it and here's the answer:
この度は、XRGB-3についてお問い合わせいただき、ありがと
うございます。
マイコンソフトの磯部と申します。
お問い合わせのV_LINE機能(スキャンライン機能)ですが、残念
ながらXRGB-3にはございません。
V_LINE機能は単純に垂直(縦)のドット数が倍の画像にしか使用
できません。
XRGB-2やXRGB-2plusは、ラインダブラー方式による映像変換で、
CRTディスプレイに表示しているのでこの様な機能は使用できます。
しかし、XRGB-3は液晶ディスプレイに最適な画像を、スケーリング
によって作成しているため、V_LINEの機能を搭載できませんでした。
もし、仮にV_LINE機能を搭載できても、液晶で使用した場合、液晶
ディスプレイのスケーリング機能によって画面が拡大されることが
あるので、綺麗には表示できないと思われます。
尚、XRGB-3には弊社Webページにて、「おためし版」のトランスコ
ーダーモード用のファームウェアデータを公開しております。
この、トランスコーダーモードをご使用の場合に限り、15kHzの映像
(VIDEO/S/D1(525i)/21pinRGB)をラインダブラー方式によって表
示しているため、スペシャル・メニュー内の「VL_V」にてV_LINEと同
じ機能を実現できます。
尚、トランスコーダーモードは、CRTディスプレイ専用のモードであ
るので、液晶ディスプレイでは正しく表示ができません。
トランスコーダーモードはお買い上げ頂いたそのままの状態では
ご利用になれませんので、お客様側でファームウェアアップデート
などの作業が必要となります。
詳しくは弊社Webページの「XRGB-3」-「ダウンロード」をご覧くださ
い。
それでは何卒宜しくお願いいたします。
Since I don't own a XRGB3 anymore, I'm nevertheless very interested to learn what they meant. They're obviously talking about B1 mode when they mean "transcoder" mode (?). From what I understand in B1 mode there's a VL_V option available which should create something "very similar" to emulated scanlines.
Somebody check this out please !
Thanks,
Fudoh
この度は、XRGB-3についてお問い合わせいただき、ありがと
うございます。
マイコンソフトの磯部と申します。
お問い合わせのV_LINE機能(スキャンライン機能)ですが、残念
ながらXRGB-3にはございません。
V_LINE機能は単純に垂直(縦)のドット数が倍の画像にしか使用
できません。
XRGB-2やXRGB-2plusは、ラインダブラー方式による映像変換で、
CRTディスプレイに表示しているのでこの様な機能は使用できます。
しかし、XRGB-3は液晶ディスプレイに最適な画像を、スケーリング
によって作成しているため、V_LINEの機能を搭載できませんでした。
もし、仮にV_LINE機能を搭載できても、液晶で使用した場合、液晶
ディスプレイのスケーリング機能によって画面が拡大されることが
あるので、綺麗には表示できないと思われます。
尚、XRGB-3には弊社Webページにて、「おためし版」のトランスコ
ーダーモード用のファームウェアデータを公開しております。
この、トランスコーダーモードをご使用の場合に限り、15kHzの映像
(VIDEO/S/D1(525i)/21pinRGB)をラインダブラー方式によって表
示しているため、スペシャル・メニュー内の「VL_V」にてV_LINEと同
じ機能を実現できます。
尚、トランスコーダーモードは、CRTディスプレイ専用のモードであ
るので、液晶ディスプレイでは正しく表示ができません。
トランスコーダーモードはお買い上げ頂いたそのままの状態では
ご利用になれませんので、お客様側でファームウェアアップデート
などの作業が必要となります。
詳しくは弊社Webページの「XRGB-3」-「ダウンロード」をご覧くださ
い。
それでは何卒宜しくお願いいたします。
Since I don't own a XRGB3 anymore, I'm nevertheless very interested to learn what they meant. They're obviously talking about B1 mode when they mean "transcoder" mode (?). From what I understand in B1 mode there's a VL_V option available which should create something "very similar" to emulated scanlines.
Somebody check this out please !
Thanks,
Fudoh
In line doubling mode it acts just like an XRGB2+, it passes the vertical sync timing through. So if your display can't handle 54hz, it won't work.Strider77 wrote:I'm very curious about this also.... does the XRGB3 now have emulated scanline features?
it doesn't have support for odd sync stuff like raiden fighters though, right?
In the other upscaling modes, they output 60fps regardless of the input timing.
The image will be shifted a bit, but it was there when was doing my testing.
You don't really need a XRGB3. To use the scanline emulation mode you need to switch it to the XRGB2 mode anyway. For Europe you can expect around 170 EUR for a XRGB2+ and about 250 EUR for a XRGB3. They both have Component and RGB inputs.How much the XRGB-3 costs and for what price can be shipped to europe?
I will post some comparison shots between the two machines next week and after that I'll have one of the two for sale anyway, so feel free to drop me a PM afterwards.
hello there, i'm new here :p
i just want to thanks fudoh and co for the updates
so it seems that xrgb 3 is the new killer...
it only need an english translation, maybe it's possible to hack the firmware ? i doubt that micomsoft wll do it
before importing xrgb3 i have a few questions:
1) what is the best method to connect my scart rgb switch, i have 1 Joytech AV Control Center
do i need to mod all my cables or only the cable connected between av control center output and xrgb3 input?
consoles connected with rgb cables to inputs -- modded scart cable ? --> av control center output to xrgb3 input --> xrgb3 vga ouput to tv vga input
2) i noticed that there is an issue if you connect a super famicom + scart rgb cable on an LCD tv (to fix this "bug" you need to use svideo cable), do you still have this problem when using xrgb3 ? check here for more detail http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=791160
3) i'm in europe so i will need to use a 110/220 converter, but how much power does it need ? i can buy 45w, 75w, 150w or 1000w.
thanks
i just want to thanks fudoh and co for the updates
so it seems that xrgb 3 is the new killer...
it only need an english translation, maybe it's possible to hack the firmware ? i doubt that micomsoft wll do it
before importing xrgb3 i have a few questions:
1) what is the best method to connect my scart rgb switch, i have 1 Joytech AV Control Center
do i need to mod all my cables or only the cable connected between av control center output and xrgb3 input?
consoles connected with rgb cables to inputs -- modded scart cable ? --> av control center output to xrgb3 input --> xrgb3 vga ouput to tv vga input
2) i noticed that there is an issue if you connect a super famicom + scart rgb cable on an LCD tv (to fix this "bug" you need to use svideo cable), do you still have this problem when using xrgb3 ? check here for more detail http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=791160
3) i'm in europe so i will need to use a 110/220 converter, but how much power does it need ? i can buy 45w, 75w, 150w or 1000w.
thanks
let me answer this next week when I have both side by side. The XRGB3 in B0 (scaling mode) has advantages for real 480i games. You get considerably more details out of them.so the xrgb3 offers no real advantage over a XRGB2 or 2+ then with the scanline feature on
I don't think so.it still acn't handle odd sync rates that the XRGB2 can handle for PCBs?
@akumajo
(1) just connect your Joytech output to the scart input on the XRGB3. But note that you the scart input on the XRGB has japanese pin layout, so you need a custom cable. If you use a euro scart only once, you'll blow the XRGB's RGB input.
(2) I can't confirm this problem at all. I have a Sony X3500 and my SFC works fine via RGB scart on it. It will also work on the XRGB without any problems. No worries.
(3) the smallest converter will so.
1) ok, i will try to make one, or maybe you are selling one? your price is mine...@akumajo
(1) just connect your Joytech output to the scart input on the XRGB3. But note that you the scart input on the XRGB has japanese pin layout, so you need a custom cable. If you use a euro scart only once, you'll blow the XRGB's RGB input.
(2) I can't confirm this problem at all. I have a Sony X3500 and my SFC works fine via RGB scart on it. It will also work on the XRGB without any problems. No worries.
(3) the smallest converter will so.
2) can you tell me which version of super famicom and cable that you are using?
3) ok, thx
ok, let me know. honestly though the only games I have that are 480i is the PS2. I play all those via the PS3, so unless it outclasses the PS3's handling of 480i. I think it won't sway me.let me answer this next week when I have both side by side. The XRGB3 in B0 (scaling mode) has advantages for real 480i games. You get considerably more details out of them.
I have a XRGB2 lined up. I own a 2+ now but would like support for those older PCBs.
right now I use a sony PVM for my tate needs. But my goal is to get a new Sony HD set that's 1080p and LCD. I'll wall mount it with a swivel bracket and have EVERY thing hooked up to it. That way my low res and tate needs will be solved with an all in one TV set.
@akumajo
Also... yeah I have no issues with my super famicom hooked up via RGB either on my HDTV, it's hooked up via an XRGB also.
I can make adapters, I have made one a few times.
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The X-RGB 3 is now over two years old and is still supported with newakumajo wrote: it only need an english translation, maybe it's possible to hack the firmware ? i doubt that micomsoft wll do it
firmware releases so they should have an optional English language
firmware.
Afterall how many units have be purchased by overseas users.
I am sure Micomsoft could beta test with the right people.
I just updated the Deinterlacing article with more data about the XRGB-3. Just let me know if you have anymore questions.
http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/
http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/
thanks for your works
i cant wait to receive mine...
can you tell me if its possible to;
- upscale super nes to 720p with scanline (any lag?)
- upscale wii/ps2 to 720p or more (any lag?)
also, do i need to buy a yuv to d-terminal adapter or its include in packaging ? (i want to connect my yuv switch directly)
if only they could release an english firmware :p
i cant wait to receive mine...
can you tell me if its possible to;
- upscale super nes to 720p with scanline (any lag?)
- upscale wii/ps2 to 720p or more (any lag?)
also, do i need to buy a yuv to d-terminal adapter or its include in packaging ? (i want to connect my yuv switch directly)
if only they could release an english firmware :p