XRGB-3

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:51 pm

When using B0 mode you can change the aspect and position of the picture in the XRGB-3 menu.

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:36 pm

BAH! Tearing just happened again

Goddammit this is gonna cause untreatable face cancer eventually!

EDIT: Here is the thread on the Gefen forum:
http://forum.gefen.com/topic.asp?whichp ... 303&#16174

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:29 pm

Interesting indeed, I've never seen anything like that with my Gefen though obviously I use the Edge more often. Time to look for a new VGA to DVI scaler for XRGB3 use?

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:42 pm

Nah I'm trying some different settings

Right now the XRGB-3 is set to 1280x768 with no sync invertions and the Gefen has it's Clock set to 100. This too gives a pixelperfect image.

EDIT: BuckoA51>
Have you tried running your MegaDrive with Master converter through your Edge?

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:44 am

Have you tried running your MegaDrive with Master converter through your Edge?

See one page back from here

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:28 pm

Yes I saw that

Have you tried like this:

MegaDrive with SMS converter > Edge

Does that work?

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:29 pm

Oh you mean without the XRGB3 in the chain? Yeah that works fine.

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:52 pm

Nice. When I eventually get myself an Edge I will try out that Console > Edge@480p > HDfury > SLG3000 > Gefen@1080p combo. I wonder if the Gefen will see the input as 640x480 or 720x480 and display the same stuttering and tearing problems as it does with the XRGB-3.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:37 pm

I wonder if the Gefen will see the input as 640x480 or 720x480 and display the same stuttering and tearing problems as it does with the XRGB-3.

depends on wether you set the Edge to VGA or to 480p output... You can do both.

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:01 pm

Kewl

I actually found a combination of settings on the XRGB-3 that will make the Gefen think the output is 640x480. That might work with no tearing/stuttering but the picture was anything but pixelperfect :/

trazome · Post by **trazome** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:31 pm

Hi all!

Updating of XRGB-3 went wrong :
- xrgb3_update_setup_lined_v1_00. (well done)
- xrgb3_update_setup_v2_12a (seems to be good)
- xrgb3_update_setup_v2_12eRev2 (i don't know)

Now it remains blocked, it is no longer recognizes by USB.
When i power on the xrgb-3, stand-by and power-on LEDs are illuminated but nothing work even power-off button.

what can I do except cry?

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:10 pm

When powering on the XRGB try holding down the PC/AV button. That should start the XRGB-3 normally so you can reflash it

I managed to take a better screenshot of the tearing:

And even a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP0oLkKcMKg

As you can see in the video the tearing is much lower than the picture. That's because it start's about a 1/3 up the screen and slowly moves toward the bottom until it completely disappears.

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:31 pm

Have you tried the XRGB3+Gefen combo on another display? I've definitely not seen that happen with my unit, yet anyway.

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:06 pm

I can try re-syncing the TV next time but I doubt it's the TV's fault

trazome · Post by **trazome** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:16 pm

Thank you for your answer.

The update seems to work until it asked me to write the cpu. I choose yes. leds are flashing.
when it's done, i close the application and i unplugged power supply.
I connect SNES into RGB front, analog VGA output to tv then i plug xrgb-3's power supply, switch the snes on, power on the xrgb-3 but i have black screen & i can't select none of the output mode. All functions appear to be blocked

I must do something wrong.

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:18 pm

When the unit is in standby try holding down MENU + OK and then press POWER to turn on the unit and reset at the same time. That might help

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:06 pm

BuckoA51 wrote:Have you tried the XRGB3+Gefen combo on another display? I've definitely not seen that happen with my unit, yet anyway.

Goddammit it just happened again and when I re-synced the TV it was gone. WTF?

I need to test this once more just to be sure, but it seems my TV doesn't like the signal from the Gefen

This makes perfect sense as Em0ti0n has the exact same TV as I do (Panasonic S20).

EDIT: Happened again. Damn Shining Force III really is a great game to provoke this problem. Re-syncing the TV made the tearing disappear

Strange that this doesn't happen when using the Dreamcast and Gefen...

I'll try running the Gefen through my Optoma scaler instead.

SGGG2 · Post by **SGGG2** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:53 pm

FYI, I get tearing with my Genesis on my Westinghouse LCD monitor, but none on my Asus.

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:55 pm

With the Gefen?

SGGG2 · Post by **SGGG2** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:44 pm

Nope, don't have a Gefen.

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:57 pm

That's even more strange than my problem :/ I don't think it's related however.

The Gefen must do something to piss of my TV as all other 1080p sources have NEVER shown either stuttering or tearing like this

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:42 am

I fed the Gefen into the Edge to see if the information the Edge gives was of any use. The Edge reported the same refresh rate and other info when the Gefen was handling the Dreamcast or the XRGB3.

You have tried 1080p50hz output resolution instead of 60hz on your Gefen right? Tearing like that is often refresh-rate related in my experience.

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:48 am

Nope I haven't but 50Hz wouldn't be of much use when I only play in 60Hz when possible

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:52 am

The Edge reported the same refresh rate and other info when the Gefen was handling the Dreamcast or the XRGB3.

The info box on the Edge isn't precise enough to show differences like 59,15 vs. 59,94Hz, is it ?

Rawit · Post by **Rawit** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:08 am

Konsolkongen wrote:This makes perfect sense as Em0ti0n has the exact same TV as I do (Panasonic S20).

EDIT: Happened again. Damn Shining Force III really is a great game to provoke this problem. Re-syncing the TV made the tearing disappear
Strange that this doesn't happen when using the Dreamcast and Gefen... I'll try running the Gefen through my Optoma scaler instead.

I was checking some forums about DLNA/PS3 Media Server and I noticed someone complaining about tearing in AVCHD video and double images with PS3 games with the same type of TV. As suggested, could you try those settings on another display and see if tearing occurs? It would suck if the TV causes it. You have the IFC option turned off?

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:52 am

The info box on the Edge isn't precise enough to show differences like 59,15 vs. 59,94Hz, is it ?

Probably not

Nope I haven't but 50Hz wouldn't be of much use when I only play in 60Hz when possible

No, I don't mean 50hz on your consoles, I mean 50hz on the Gefen, chances are you won't notice any difference and it might cure the problem.

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:56 pm

Rawit wrote: I was checking some forums about DLNA/PS3 Media Server and I noticed someone complaining about tearing in AVCHD video and double images with PS3 games with the same type of TV. As suggested, could you try those settings on another display and see if tearing occurs? It would suck if the TV causes it. You have the IFC option turned off?

Yes the IFC option is disabled

The only other display I have is my PC monitor but it runs in a different resolution. I don't know how much use that would be.
I've been playing plenty of video files on my PS3 using a program called PlayStation Media Server on my Linux computer and I have never experienced tearing or stuttering of any kind.

I also experienced some strange stuttering earlier today when playing MegaDrive. The bottom of the screen would lag for just a second, work for a while and lag again, and so on. Re-syncing the TV did not help, but re-syncing the XRGB-3 did. Maybe that's just a coincidence and the TV messed up two times in a row, but I'm not so sure the TV is to blame anymore.
I wonder if the Gefen re-syncs it's output when I switch to another channel on the TV. If that's the case then it might not be the TV after all. Damn this is confusing :/

BuckoA51 wrote: No, I don't mean 50hz on your consoles, I mean 50hz on the Gefen, chances are you won't notice any difference and it might cure the problem.

Yes I'm aware of that, but 50Hz doesn't work very well on the S20

For some reason it's a blurry mess when the picture is scrolling compared to 60Hz :/

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:21 pm

Possible breakthrough... Running the Gefen's DVI signal through my receiver might be the solution. Luckily my receiver doesn't do anything to the signal, it's nothing more than a switch that supports HD audio and what not. The good news is that when doing this my TV never looses sync from the Gefen, not even if I turn of my console or XRGB-3 connected.

BTW THE pixelperfect setting for XRGB-3 and Gefen is like this:

XRGB-3:

B1 mode set to 1024x768
No sync inversion what so ever

Gefen:
Phase: 100

Don't know why I missed that for so long

Using 640x480 and phase at 99 seems perfect but if you look at the wide menu names on the XRGB there is a little bit of moire near the center of the screen.

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:28 pm

Seems unlikely that would fix it, but you never know I suppose

Konsolkongen · Post by **Konsolkongen** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:39 pm

My TV doesn't see this as a DVI input anymore. When I connected the Gefen directly to the TV a menu appeared called DVI(-something) where I could switch between Normal and Full and the brightness would be affected. So now the TV sees this as a HDMI input which can only be a good thing. I have never had any problems using HDMI sources on this screen.

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