Rob wrote:I think there is much more to the damage being done than cold bodies on the ground. A totally demoralized people (and White Fragility is obviously a cornerstone of the demoralization campaign) aren't good for much of anything other than following directives, and I can't imagine that it is healthy for any developing person to feel inherently bad.
That stuff is horrid, and you're right, demonising entire populations along ethnic lines has historically lead to disaster. (cue "But that wasn't
real [ideology]!")
Cold comfort, but I think your country will resist the Church of IDPOL better than my adopted one. Just having a notable fraction of the population object, in the relatively early going, is encouraging. England looked the other way while its children were trafficked and raped for a full two decades. (well... those in charge were of high enough station that it was never
their kids - justice might not have been so appallingly late, otherwise. see the widespread horror amongst the techbros, at Bob Lee - himself a preachy cunt - getting knifed to death in San Francisco)
Even now, any English politician who dares to condemn such cowardice (as the current PM recently did) provokes apoplectic spasms from the usual leftist mouthpieces. And we'll always have pockets of zealots, of course. But the immune system seems to have somewhat recovered; commoners are likelier to respond to the usual histrionics (
"You're LITERALLY GENOCIDING drag queens by not giving them access to your 3/yo's classroom!!!") with a prompt "Eat shit." If the US can arrive at similar in even half the time, good for them.
On cancellations, was Justin Roiland ever covered?
I did hear about that, but never looked beyond the headlines. Rick & Morty makes me want to eat hot buckshot, and tbh, "smug male feminist turns out to be misogynistic predator" kinda goes without saying, at this point.
His own co-creator Dan Harmon has form in that area, too, though he seems to have steered clear of prosecution, unlike his dipshit buddy here.
I'll have to look closer - maybe it'll be a new spin on an auld classic!
BulletMagnet wrote:BIL wrote:I don't think anyone here is, mercifully. The likes of Cooper & Harriot, and those gullible or deranged enough to align with them, absolutely.
This is still too much of a reach for me to concur with, in much the same way as I can't take seriously the people who claim that calling for institutional changes in policing means you hate all cops and want to give free rein to wandering gangs of robbers and rioters (whose primary skin coloration is, of course, heavily implied).
Law enforcement - an institution - cannot be likened to C&H's despised "white people" - a vast swathe of humanity united by skin tone. Even if it were possible, the only reform C&H propose is an eminently well-earned extinction. This, when they're not flirting with notions of indoctrinating their children against them, or terrorising them into compliance via the spectre of... the US's infamous rates of white-on-white murder. (
) Or, of course, simply murdering them outright.
I think I understand why you're apologising for these race hustlers. When I noted my knowingly alarmist stance against even the most incipient ethnocentric violence - I find the wails of "How could it have come to this?" exasperating; we know how it comes to this, just as we know how a tiny lesion, left unchecked, can grow to take limbs and life itself - you mentioned being animated by a skepticism of people's motives, re:
critiquing black demagogues.
Given that, I have to ask: Do you think Cooper and Harriot's race-hustling buffoonery is representative of black people? And do you suppose my critique of them is an attack on black people?
I must assure you, neither is the case. Black commentators far and wide, some on the right, some on the left, were disgusted by this interview, just like white ones were. I personally saw an old professor and mentor react with stunned silence, sharing it with her over Skype. She is a jovial sort, and quite elderly; I felt bad, like I'd sprang something evil on her. I found these reactions about as remarkable as Big Flamey Sky-Turtle swimming over Eastern Tribeland this morning (again!). This shit is vile, it represents nobody.
While I hope you don't think me bigoted - I value you and the rest of this forum's companionship a great deal, nobody I've ever met IRL gives one good ghost of a fuck about our raison d'etre - as I told MM, I know my own heart. But I have to say, if a conflation of C&H with black people is what has you wary of me, you should know that using one's own population as a human shield is Race Hustler 101. Old trick. Rhetorically, I could leave C&H a pile of cinders - a smaller next to a notably larger - without touching one hair on the heads of those they'd hide amidst. Anyone could; they represent nobody and nothing, other than their own myopic self-satisfaction.
Regrettably, this trick works on decent people who feel compelled to atone for their own population's racism, past and present. That is the impression I have of you here. You shouldn't feel compelled to defer to these jokers, any more than you should feel guilty about
white racists; not the least because C&H are peddling the reddest, bloodiest steak a white racist could hope for!
If I'm wrong, I apologise for the faulty - and unsolicited, and lengthy - armchair shrinkery. But I often think, those who hate black people must be delighted at this terrible state of affairs, with idiots like Cooper & Harriot being lauded by mainstream media as authorities. What, exactly, does Cooper's "Eloquent Rage" have to show for itself? The American inner city is a globally-dreaded nightmare; and the people she claims to fight for are overwhelmingly its victims, black girls and women increasingly fair game. Nothing is getting done; it's a waste of time even talking about C&H's ilk, except as a cautioning against them.
It is, as you say, possible - and frankly almost always an outright necessity - to criticize a group or institution while acknowledging that not every single member is an awful person, and that those who do behave badly are not all on the same level. Cooper and Harriot do state this, and while I would agree with you that how fleetingly they do so opens them up to eye-rolling and/or dismissal from listeners not already in their wheelhouse, I don't think that they only made those acknowledgements for the sake of plausible deniability, especially in light of their larger "as tempting as an extreme reaction might seem, don't do it" prescription for change.
Crudely-put as it was, and dripping scorn - Abolitionists? Just terrified Christians! - their "some good ones" caveat could be as good as gold. It wouldn't help, as the premise it aims to polish - "white people are a monolith uniquely given to evil" - is rotten to its core. Rotted into dust; this exchange having all the scholarly, intellectual, and moral depth of a burning oil slick, about as helpful to America's appallingly overrepresented black victims of poverty and crime as the Exxon-Valdez was to local waterfowl.
Likewise, for their lukewarmly dissuading ethnocentric violence - having giddily placed it on the table to begin with. Gee, thanks, professor! You
really wanted to grab that boxcutter and open my white throat, in front of my white wife and white kids, when you were behind us at the checkout with a single item - a crate of donuts - while we did our weekly shop. My own granny is far blacker than your Brownin ass, and wifey's grandparents barely escaped Nazi-occupied Poland with their lives while dozens of people they knew were exterminated by Nazis, who my great-uncle died fighting, a 33% shot at my siblings and I never existing - but
we're all passingly white, and therefore, fair game for your "Eloquent Rage." What a lovely professor!
Holy fuck no. When someone, apropos of nothing but their own bad character, brings ethnocentric slaughter into a conversation, they don't get to shoo it back under the rug, then act as if they've done the rest of us a service.
Host: "So, given the complicated socioeconomic and historic factors at play here... how do we dissuade black inner-city youngsters from joining the criminal subcultures which fuel our disproportionate rates of black-on-black and black-on-other violence?"
Guest: "Well, what I want to say is, we've got to take these motherfuckers out."
Both: "Bwaaahahahahaaa!"
Host: *writhing uncontrollably in seat* "This is why I wanted you on!"
Guest: *flapping hands violently, tongue lolling out* *ahem* "But no, a project of violence would be very bad. For us."
Host: "They're sure makin' it hard, though!
Guest: "Mmm-hmmm!"
Again, I can't say for sure what precisely either of them were thinking during that session, but I can't help but find "didn't make their generally boilerplate point as well as they could have" a more plausible scenario to assume, and a prism to interpret their words through, than "so completely unhinged that nuance and moderation are completely impossible for them".
It was boilerplate, alright! A reliable pattern, straight from Hotep Race War Inc, a subsidiary of Balkan Ethnic Relations LLC, with a long history of service across time immemorial.
Nuance? Not here. They're both remarkably shitty speakers, writers, and apparently, thinkers. Did you hear that Saturday Morning Hotep cartoon of world history they were earnestly promoting? And moderation... if they had any instinct for it, they wouldn't be who they are. It's like pondering whether George Best might've had a healthier old age, were he not a raging alcoholic who drank himself to death twice over. This is their profession, they are well-suited for it.
Again, if you think my "they" = "black people," I can't do any more to dissuade you that I'm not a KKK-manned Hellfire drone. I can, however, list several dozen more white grifters besides DiAngelo, in on the same hustle; plus their useful idiot enablers, on top of that. We could start with some Shaun "Talcum X" King, for the former, and the recently-deceased Bob "Crazy Bob" Lee (not crazy enough, apparently) for the latter.
Hustling is a human constant. The only commonality here is a lack of scruples.
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Oh! Speaking of:
Creepy Old Man Does Creepy Thing
I dunno how true any of it is. All I know is, that's the kinda headline (and video) you can smell through your monitor. I think I'm gonna hurl, bros! 3;<
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Shumps Friends,
Not long ago, we saw the beginnings of a momentous project:
Operation Fuck Hogwarts. Now, a second, even more auspicious campaign is afoot:
Operation Fuck BUD! You see, while the aforementioned Young Boys Getting Bummed At English Boarding School simulator was hated for its author's politics, BUD has become despised for its promotion of
an annoying flamer! At this early stage, it seems the casual bingers are proving more motivated than the casual gamers; as while OFH's result might be summarised as
"PFFF LMAO," OFB appears to rank a marginally less vaporous
"Hm, interdasting!"
Or perhaps, it is the dread hand of bigotry at work
Well, as before, I want to hear from you; are you participating in this important social movement? On which side? I myself enjoy the occasional bottle of wine, and sometimes a malty Guinness! But I think American beer tastes uncannily like my own piss, which I have drank to survive! So, as with
Mahou Bumsex Gakuen, this is rather an easy boycott for myself.
Even with parent company Anheuser-Busch's many tentacles in the sugary junk world - of which I rarely partake, lest my healthy pen0r shrivel up and die of the beetus, just like MovieBlob's!
Still, though - I am conflicted! Because I was most moved by
this touching video (no, not touching in that sense -
pace DQSH!), of a man embracing his own, TRVE identity - and all with the help of BUD!
Even if he ends up going "all the way," and getting jumped into his local Aztecas chapter - a few bruised ribs is one heck of a lot less debilitating than lopping off the ol' meat n' two veg!
Much better food, too!