Prelude to the Apocalypse

[Ed Oscuro]

Racism, "tribalism," or "group preference" are all losing strategies in the long run,

Smart Jewish people don't seem to think so (ignoring the "racism" nonsense - funny the scare quotes for the other two, though), and I'm inclined to agree with them.

This must be why Jewish people never suffered pogroms, and the state of Israel is definitely not surrounded by enemies.

Obviously it wasn't by choice in the past. Since you need me to do your thinking for you: Jews in old Europe intermarried when they could, like any other peoples. The state of Israel, on the other hand, is expressly a religious state, which causes no end of troubles. (Please don't concern troll for the state of Israel.)

It's like you're going through the checklist of ridiculous arguments. The problems with inbreeding, medical and otherwise, are in the places we're told are demographically improving us by their forcible addition. Look at a Somali and then look at another Somali. And then look at tiny, isolated Iceland to see how much Europe and any place European needs the genetic contributions of Somalia.

So basically your argument is that black people are inbred. Cool beans

and like I said, it's the job of people to keep their culture alive, not the government.

It's the job of the government to serve the people, not to change the composition of the people to serve the government.

Culture, not race. Or are you dead set against pizza and tacos, or merely Italian and Hispanic immigrants? What era of American history did you want to return to? The 50s, the Victorian era, Puritanism? The Dust Bowl? This is the most laughable thing about the happy culture warriors who pretend that everything was fine and dandy, and then suddenly damn foreigners! appeared to louse it up. It's not like Elvis was designed to steal rock from the blacks. And then there's Post Malone, epitome of white culture, I guess.

It is endlessly fascinating that the people at the top of the Republican "pyramid scheme" push constant growth so hard - something that you do need an ever-expanding population (and the fiction of limitless resources) to achieve.

I don't disagree with Zen on this particular one, btw. BryanM wrote, in a past year, about Marx's parable of the penny turning into a gold sphere by the magic of interest. So the question really is why you would think Richie Rich, leader of the Republican Party, feeds you with racism on one hand, while promoting an economic system that loots the land and its people, on the other.

[BryanM]

The past only seems so great because you had your youth, freedom, family and friends. Not due to any extrinsic source. I remember the 90's. All we had was Matlock reruns.

Talking about Marx, the labour theory of value was on my mind a few months back. That's the idea that true value comes from labor, aka, work. In outlets where the profit margins are lower per employee, such as brick and mortar retail, there's a level of fairness in the transactions between customer, employee and owner. While places like the insurance industry, those are basically scams.

The financialization of our economy to hoover up all of our gains in automation, processes, and technology is a large contributor to the state we find our politics in. It was able to be leveraged to create a small vanguard upper working class whose self interest is to lower taxes on billionaires and deregulate everything. They're the ones who get the table scraps, after all.

You often see these people online, six figure liberals who don't really care about republicans "being bad" in any sense except the cosmetic, and perhaps maybe that it'd be nice if they didn't spend our money on bombing so many kids. They're violently reactionary whenever you suggest, perhaps, the democrats are lacking to the vast majority of people. ("Clinton won 3 million more votes!" they'll cling to, impervious to the idea that maybe winning the senate should be a goal one of these centuries.)

But for such people, I don't think winning the senate is actually a goal at all. They're perfectly happy with a republican congress and supreme court, as long as a bank friendly Democrat is president.

Listening to the discussion panels in the real news, our politics are really incredibly stupid. The republicans have a clear goal of class warfare. The democrats? No opposing vision in the opposite direction. Their leaders keep saying "let's work with the republicans!" With a huge pile of "Trump bad!" on top of that "republicans good!" word salad. A coherent, effective message indeed. They can't even be bothered to lie about having a differing platform.

The polls suggested Biden might have beaten Trump, but those were taken while he was out of sight and out of mind, and therefore are not accurate data. Just like Clinton, as soon as he starts talking about how Billionaires Are Good People Too, his numbers will probably tank and he'd blow it too.

And on the topic of billionaires, Musk's singer song writer girlfriend Grimes has been talking about how much she loves hentai on her twitter account.

[Rob]

This must be why Jewish people never suffered pogroms, and the state of Israel is definitely not surrounded by enemies.

It's like you think there can be a trouble-free experience in this world we find ourselves in. They've suffered? Yes, and they have survived as a distinct and very successful people. Israel has enemies? Good heavens - might as well not have a territory to secure an existence in if there are going to be, gasp, enemies.

Jewish Wealth by the Numbers

I'd like to know what a successful long-term strategy is if that is a failed one. I think many would settle for that level of failure.

So basically your argument is that black people are inbred.

No, my counter-argument to your "inbred" argument is that it is very bad, and if "lively" is imported violence from Mogadishu, I don't want "lively". Many millions don't.

Or are you dead set against pizza and tacos,

Literally "muh tacos".

the happy culture warriors who pretend that everything was fine and dandy,

I have in fact read things, have no illusions about the past and no interest in living amidst a cultural wax museum. The aim should be a successful, cohesive, high trust society, which is never going to be achieved through top-down social engineering and a commandment to believe in an equality that does not exist.

[szycag]

Tulsi Gabbard should run with Bernie's platform. Medicare for All, end or severely sever the current failed path of the drug war, a new deal style jobs program in renewable energy, from someone willing to fight for the country and not buy the establishment garbage on things like Syria, someone who would step up for Yemen even when Saudi Arabia buys all our toys, etc. It would be so easy to go against Trump if the person were just earnest and virtuous, not another tow-the-line talking head, a veteran that genuinely doesn't like to see suffering. It's simple unless you're a strategist I guess.

[Specineff]

Sinema's lead increases as more and more ballots are counted:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/ ... unt-982945

Keep those seven votes on seven districts per person coming, Raza! Trump claimed fraud, so let's give him some!

[Ed Oscuro]

It's like you think there can be a trouble-free experience in this world we find ourselves in.

No, but I'm not working backwards to try and justify increasing strife in order to fantasize about the hypothetical benefits of a racist state.

Speaking of which, you guys are being very sloppy on interchanging the use of the terms "race" or "genetics" and "culture." Calling it "culture" is not much of a fig leaf when you start saying Somalis are inbred, which is clearly a racial comment (and with no real basis in fact).

I'm not keen on tons of immigration because there are just too damn many people. But let's not pretend that natural selection cares about what some people used to call miscegenation, or that the Dutch and British empires weren't at their largest extent when they were most diverse (and built on the labors of subjects who mostly had no say in the matter), or that there's not a surplus of women in the US wondering why so many guys are worrying about being beaten to the punch by some big immigrant dick.

Culture in 1950s America: "Why, look at Marilyn Monroe shacking up with that d--- DiMaggio. The nerve! Or Ball tramping around with that Desi fellow. All these swarthy immigrants are going to ruin our country!" You don't have to go much farther back to find that your very own favorite immigrant group was on the outs with 'polite society,' all the way back to the original settlements.

[Zen]

the hypothetical benefits of a racist state.

Speaking of which, you guys are being very sloppy on interchanging the use of the terms "race" or "genetics" and "culture." Calling it "culture" is not much of a fig

There is no obfuscation going on here. I have stated repeatedly;
Culture emanates from Race.
The only way that this statement can not be obvious, is if you are purposefully choosing not to see it or if you are a disciple of the Fraz Boaz school of social anthropology
and his race-relativism ideology.

Again;
Culture emanates from Race.
American Culture, is European Culture. That is to say, "White".
If you are non-White and you live in either of these places, you are fortunate enough tho be enjoying White Culture.
Just as you would find African Culture, in Africa, Mexican Culture in Mexico and Chinese Culture in China.

But let's not pretend that natural selection cares about what some people used to call miscegenation, or that the Dutch and British empires weren't at their largest extent when they were most diverse (and built on the labors of subjects who mostly had no say in the matter), or that there's not a surplus of women in the US wondering why so many guys are worrying about being beaten to the punch by some big immigrant dick.

British and Dutch power had nothing to do with "diversity". If fact, today, diversity is what is destroying them. Unless, of course, you think that anyone can be British or Dutch by simply adhering to their Culture?

Now, what is it with those who lean to "The Left" and their seeming obsession with "foreign" cock and being cucked?
I mean to say, you chaps direct it at "The Right" but it is only you fellows who harp on about this strange fetish!
What's going on here then?!
BryanM? Mischief Maker? Ed Oscuro?

[GaijinPunch]

Culture emanates from Race.
The only way that this statement can not be obvious, is if you are purposefully choosing not to see it or if you are a disciple of the Fraz Boaz school of social anthropology
and his race-relativism ideology.

Maybe at the initial starting point. How would this ideology explainthe majority of Asian Americans who are completely ignorant (or mostly ignorant anyway) of the culture of their heritage? One adopts the culture of their surroundings... regardless of race.

[Ed Oscuro]

Oooh, "race-relativism ideology." Nice work shoehorning another totally unrelated topic where it doesn't belong. More dogma, I'm not surprised. I've yet to see you actually cite any evidence. It is cool that you name dropped some guy though!

Obviously Zen has met a grand total of 0 second-generation Americans. They have American accents, an American diet, American viewpoints. They might have fond feelings for the mother country and its culture. Hell, that's true of some immigrants who came as kids, too.

That hardly qualifies as a grave security threat.

Unless perhaps ethnic eateries qualify. I don't know, supposedly pizza parlors are dangerous places according to the right-wingers.

Do tell me what you think contributed to the Dutch and British successes, if it was not openness to new ideas, welcoming immigrants who had new ides for science, and the worldwide network of letter-writers. That, and plain old stealing / enslaving the natives. Related: Have you ever heard of the Huguenots?

How would this ideology explainthe majority of Asian Americans who are completely ignorant (or mostly ignorant anyway) of the culture of their heritage? One adopts the culture of their surroundings... regardless of race.

See, your problem is that you don't work backwards like our friend Zen. You actually look at what's going on around you, and use that to form your opinions, rather than starting out with the belief that you should hate something and ignore everything that doesn't justify that hate.

[Zen]

Maybe at the initial starting point.

"Origin". Vital to an understanding of the subject.

How would this ideology explainthe majority of Asian Americans who are completely ignorant (or mostly ignorant anyway) of the culture of their heritage?

Because they grew up in a different culture?
Isolated and left to their own devices from birth, large enough separated groups of Asians, Africans and Whites would exhibit Cultural traits that we recognise within each of those Races today.
Is this not where these disparate Cultures were originally expressed from - Race?

One adopts the culture of their surroundings... regardless of race.

To a certain extent, sure. But the adoption here, is just that. Imitation.
You can "adopt" a child and no matter how much you love it or, in return it loves you, it is not yours and will almost certainly turn out nothing like you.

How about looking at it this way;
If I brought my filthy goy self to Israel for a few years, would I get smarter?
Or, how about If I took my very White ass to Africa for an extend stay, would I develop more rhythm? https://youtu.be/l6AlQgq9MRE?t=127
Or one of my new personal favourites; https://youtu.be/gGtOT1tIAwg

[BryanM]

Eleven votes for Donald Trump. Didn't know this forum was so MAGA.

“People need to realize my problem wasn’t getting Democrats to vote for me,” said Senator Claire McCaskill, who was defeated Tuesday in Missouri. “I hope that no one thinks that because some of the red-state Democrat right wingers lost that means we have to nominate a progressive.”

The more sensible answer, Ms. McCaskill said, would be to find Mr. Trump’s political and stylistic opposite, perhaps “even a boring candidate.” She mentioned a handful of little-known senators and governors who exude vanilla.

[Zen]

Oooh, "race-relativism ideology." Nice work shoehorning another totally unrelated topic where it doesn't belong. More dogma, I'm not surprised. I've yet to see you actually cite any evidence. It is cool that you name dropped some guy though!

I am starting to feel, that you have no idea what you are talking about but citation needed!

That was not shoehorning Ed.
It is very pertinent to how people are fed propaganda today about Culture via what is called, on your side of the world, "Cultural anthropology".

Also, I agree, it is contrived Dogma. Frankfurt School, Cultural Marxist, Critical Theory Bullshit. Or as you Americans call it,"Education".

Obviously Zen has met a grand total of 0 second-generation Americans.

That is quite a silly thing to presume.

They have American accents, an American diet, American viewpoints. They might have fond feelings for the mother country and its culture. Hell, that's true of some immigrants who came as kids, too.

Really? Civic Nationalism trumps Race, does it, Ed? Looks like voting demographics say otherwise but you know - citation needed.

Also; What is this talk of "Hate"? I do not hate anyone.

[FinalBaton]

Also; What is this talk of "Hate"? I do not hate anyone.

Come on bro! Don't you know?

If you aren't advocating for busted-wide-open borders; if you aren't a GLOBALIST;
then you are a BIG MEANIE and a NAZI soldier!!!!

...

at least that's what leftists are telling us

[Mischief Maker]

You are aware that "globalist" is code for "jew," right?

If you don't want to be called a Nazi, stop using Nazi code words.

[FinalBaton]

sorry but plenty of white liberals are globalist (they might actually account for the majority of globalists)

a globalist is someone who wants a world without borders

nice dirty trick by you but, it won't stick

[BulletMagnet]

If I brought my filthy goy self to Israel for a few years, would I get smarter?
Or, how about If I took my very White ass to Africa for an extend stay, would I develop more rhythm?

You know, for awhile I thought you might be far enough up your own backside to actually believe some of the Proud Boys nonsense you post, but the more I see of you the more convinced I am that you're reciting the same "if you say or do something awful or ridiculous, anyone who says that what you said/did is awful/ridiculous is somehow automatically 'owned' by you" 4chan nursery rhyme as all the other "nationalists" (y'know, the good kind, obviously) around here.

Even barring this instance, the fact that so many of you folks still aren't tired of being openly trolled by a cadre of anons who aren't taking the issues they're supposedly "debating" the least bit seriously and have absolutely no intention to ever do so truly baffles me.

[Mischief Maker]

This is a shmups enthusiasts' forum. We love banging our heads against "impossible" challenges.

[FinalBaton]

@BulletMagnet nah, both sides show emotions at times. Just look at your post above : lots of bile, of vicious snarkism. This is not the mark of someone who is detached, and looking from afar. You are in the thick of it, and are emotionally invested in this. Or is it "trolled"? well according to some it would, but then again, some people easily substitute a bit of emotion for "trolled". Which is misguided. You are simply having a discussion. And there ain't nothing wrong with that.

btw, everyone is an anon online, hehe

[Zen]

Ah! My erstwhile Nemesis, Lord Bullet Magnet! Well met, sir. Well met!
How are you, my self-loathing, Aryan brother?!

Finally, I might get some sensible argument!

But wait, whats this?! Wanton conflation with Proud Boys . . . 4chan . . . trolling anons . . .

If I brought my filthy goy self to Israel for a few years, would I get smarter?
Or, how about If I took my very White ass to Africa for an extend stay, would I develop more rhythm?

You know, for awhile I thought you might be far enough up your own backside to actually believe some of the Proud Boys nonsense you post, but the more I see of you the more convinced I am that you're reciting the same "if you say or do something awful or ridiculous, anyone who says that what you said/did is awful/ridiculous is somehow automatically 'owned' by you" 4chan nursery rhyme as all the other "nationalists" (y'know, the good kind, obviously) around here.

Even barring this instance, the fact that so many of you folks still aren't tired of being openly trolled by a cadre of anons who aren't taking the issues they're supposedly "debating" the least bit seriously and have absolutely no intention to ever do so truly baffles me.

. . . Still mad as a hatter, I see?



It has always amazed me, how you effortlessly read a post, mentally rearrange and strangle the ideas within it and send it out through your fingertips, to the word at large! Impressive!
You have been reading too many posts by your confederate, Mischief Maker, again, haven't you?


What "awful things" have I said, my friend?

[GaijinPunch]

How would this ideology explainthe majority of Asian Americans who are completely ignorant (or mostly ignorant anyway) of the culture of their heritage?

Because they grew up in a different culture?

Guess that would mean cultures are only born out of race as a side effect of races having pure homogeneous starts.

One adopts the culture of their surroundings... regardless of race.

To a certain extent, sure. But the adoption here, is just that. Imitation.
You can "adopt" a child and no matter how much you love it or, in return it loves you, it is not yours and will almost certainly turn out nothing like you.

Depends on the definition of the word "yours"... as well as your definition of "like you". Guess while we're at it I can question the quotation marks around adopt, since adopting is an actual thing, which actually does mean the child is yours after that - at least according to the law.

Or, how about If I took my very White ass to Africa for an extend stay, would I develop more rhythm? https://youtu.be/l6AlQgq9MRE?t=127
Or one of my new personal favourites; https://youtu.be/gGtOT1tIAwg

If you actually started participating in rythm-inducing culture I would argue yes. Or at least you won't lose any.

[BulletMagnet]

Just look at your post above : lots of bile, of vicious snarkism.

Feel free to advise me on how I or anyone else is supposed to respond to, just for starters, the segment I quoted (right up there with quash's "some of our favorite wives are Jews" gem - and here I thought they fetishized Asian women for their supposed sexual subservience ). Try to convince me that this shit is posted in good faith and merits a serious reply from anybody, as opposed to another lulz-loaded splooge of squid ink into the empty void that passes for "discussion" with the "we don't hate anybody, we label the rest of humanity objectively inferior out of love" vein.

This is a shmups enthusiasts' forum. We love banging our heads against "impossible" challenges.

Suit yourself, but frankly I see about as much point in attempting to make sense of "deep red" rhetoric as in mastering the finely-tuned mechanics of Deep Blue on the PC Engine. Or, to perhaps be even more accurate, compose a dissertation on Divine Sealing.

[Zen]

Guess that would mean cultures are only born out of race as a side effect of races having pure homogeneous starts.

I'm reading this as sarcasm? Are there grounds on which you do not recognise Race, GP?

Depends on the definition of the word "yours"... as well as your definition of "like you". Guess while we're at it I can question the quotation marks around adopt, since adopting is an actual thing, which actually does mean the child is yours after that - at least according to the law.

By "yours" and "like you", I am of course, speaking in the biological sense.
Past that, we are back to a nature versus nurture discussion and you can probably guess which side of that line that I am on.

But I'll play along. What the law says is, or is not your child, has exactly zero to do with what is, or is not, your progeny.
The law also says that you can legally change gender . . . that's also "an actual thing".

If you actually started participating in rythm-inducing culture I would argue yes. Or at least you won't lose any.

I guess it wouldn't hurt. But let me ask you; you fellas (Africans and Europeans) have been together over there for quite a while now. Has Whitey caught up to the African standard of rhythm yet?
No? Of course not! Irrespective of Civic Nationalism and "acquired Culture", - Race, my man. Race.

[Zen]

Feel free to advise me on how I or anyone else is supposed to respond to, just for starters, the segment I quoted (right up there with quash's "some of our favorite wives are Jews" gem - and here I thought they fetishized Asian women for their supposed sexual subservience ). Try to convince me that this shit is posted in good faith and merits a serious reply from anybody, as opposed to another lulz-loaded splooge of squid ink into the empty void that passes for "discussion" with the "we don't hate anybody, we label the rest of humanity objectively inferior out of love" vein.

By "the segment I quoted", I take it that you mean the segment of my post that you quoted, where you left out the video links which are clearly me poking fun at my own Whiteness?
But fuck context, right Bullet Magnet?

One post into it with me and you are straight back into your antics.
Cries of horrible intentions and lack of good faith while it is you, for all to see, you who is again guilty of all the the bullshit that you accuse others of.

Wouldn't it be more productive to debate anyone you disagree with, in good faith?
You come in with a post designed to cause derailment to a very up front discussion.
If you don't like the direction the conversation is going, debate us bro!
Don't shit on us and then ask us who farted!
C'mon, man.

Suit yourself, but frankly I see about as much point in attempting to make sense of "deep red" rhetoric as in mastering the finely-tuned mechanics of Deep Blue on the PC Engine. Or, to perhaps be even more accurate, compose a dissertation on Divine Sealing.

And the final stage of shut it down, "ignore them". Nice.

[BryanM]

sorry but plenty of white liberals are globalist (they might actually account for the majority of globalists)

a globalist is someone who wants a world without borders

It's a made up word from a small tiny in-group that's a synonym for "powerful wealthy Jew". There is no large group of people who "wants a world without borders", that's a made up fringe boogeyman person. That's the etymology of "globalist".

The non-racist, non-propaganda version of the term you're looking for that normal people use is "capitalist".

You have to contort yourself in knots to defend your brain from ever thinking a bad thought about capitalism. It's understandable.

Also, both Democrats and Republicans are liberals. Liberalism is a train of philosophy that espouses laissez-faire capitalism, as well as aggressive imperialism abroad. It's very popular with people well paid and taken care of under the current regime.

circular arguing on the internet

This stuff reminds me of those honey pot chat bots sociologists deploy as part of their experiments. It's amazing how long someone will scream at some bot repeating such blood curdling phrases like "patriarchy exists" or "Kid Icarus is a better game than Metroid".

I guess righteous anger is helpful to deflect thought processes away from the fact a lot of you are all on the same team. If you aren't actively screaming to break up the banks, you're on team Goldman Sachs.

I'm not sure how putting Goldman Sachs in charge of everything is supposed to "defeat globalism", or "stop exploiting minorities", or "stop wasting tax payer money" or whatever. Maybe you guys have this all thought out and aren't distracted from this basic foundational truth of our government. Teach me how Goldman Sachs being in charge advances your objectives in life, if you're not living near that low six figure CEO time?

[FinalBaton]

^^^^^^^
nah there are people out there who legit want open borders. I know plenty people like that IRL. these type are certainly not just "bots"


The Prime Minister of my country is actually one of those people...

And he openly admits it. And acts accordingly, too.

So you see, it's not boogey man this and boogey man that. It's actually real life experiences

[Mischief Maker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8JW75Lv25k

"No papers?"

[Zen]

It's a made up word from a small tiny in-group that's a synonym for "powerful wealthy Jew".

Bollocks!

I guess all those who use the word to mean exactly what it was meant to mean, are dog whistling antiSemites, then?
The "tiny in-group", who do use it in the way you mention, are not antiSemitic but are instead a warped Thought Police that are trying to forbid the use of the world so as to halt critique of what it describes.

Get off the guys back. He meant it the way that all but the Thought Police do.

There is no large group of people who "wants a world without borders", that's a made up fringe boogeyman person. That's the etymology of "globalist".

Jesus wept! You've got a neck like a jockeys bollocks!

The non-racist, non-propaganda version of the term you're looking for that normal people use is "capitalist".

You have to contort yourself in knots to defend your brain from ever thinking a bad thought about capitalism. It's understandable.

No.
FB, was right the first time; it's "Globalist".

[Durandal]

When topics like these arise in the RPGCodex, at least nobody will pretend they aren't referring to anything but the Jewish cabal, and then smugly dance around the fact for pages claiming that they are in fact not talking about the Jews specifically but that everyone else is merely assuming so.

It saves some time and space for everyone involved.

[Rob]

There is no large group of people who "wants a world without borders", that's a made up fringe boogeyman person. That's the etymology of "globalist".

Bryan, come on dude. You'd think someone so obsessed with capitalism would have this one figured out.

[GaijinPunch]

Guess that would mean cultures are only born out of race as a side effect of races having pure homogeneous starts.

I'm reading this as sarcasm? Are there grounds on which you do not recognise Race, GP?

No -- I'm saying that if we started the clock now, the argument that culture is born of race doesn't hold. In another 100 years, even less. I'm sure I know where you are on the nature versus nurture thing. One could probably guess where I am on this whole "culture" thing, having lived the majority of my adult life on the other side of the pond, sprinkled in the biggest melting pot of Asian "culture": Hawaii. Spoiler: the only Japanese culture there is from the tourists because... they're all fucking Americans!