Prelude to the Apocalypse

[orange808]

Looks like another poster deleted their response immediately, but I'll go ahead and echo the main idea of the response. It was valid.

There's going to be sample bias when you compare a place like Seattle to the national average. You also failed to offer historical data for comparison: https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-S ... ngton.html

I understand Seattle has had crime well above national average for at least 50 years and it's trending downwards. I don't see a huge spike.

[Hoagtech]

Well its not just not just Seattle. Its the progressive centers for reform who wish well but perform blindly like Los Angeles:

https://xtown.la/2022/04/01/car-thefts-may-have-peaked/

or Portland:

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/0 ... hefts.html

The sentiment may be right but the rollout and prioritization of the policies is outright blind IMO

[orange808]

Well its not just not just Seattle. Its the progressive centers for reform who wish well but perform blindly like Los Angeles:

https://xtown.la/2022/04/01/car-thefts-may-have-peaked/

or Portland:

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/0 ... hefts.html

The sentiment may be right but the rollout and prioritization of the policies is outright blind IMO

It's where the property values are high, ding ding. Inequality.

https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-S ... ngton.html

The same reason Cuba had a huge revolution. Poor people were living like all their neighbors, but there was a small wealthy urban upper class living in plain sight. Not saying it was the right decision for them, just pointing out the reality.

[Hoagtech]

Well its not just not just Seattle. Its the progressive centers for reform who wish well but perform blindly like Los Angeles:

https://xtown.la/2022/04/01/car-thefts-may-have-peaked/

or Portland:

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/0 ... hefts.html

The sentiment may be right but the rollout and prioritization of the policies is outright blind IMO

It's where the property values are high, ding ding. Inequality.

https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-S ... ngton.html

Exactly..

Who are the five best rappers of all time? Think about it

Deflect Deflect Deflect Deflect Deflect

Because I spit hot fire!

[orange808]

Well its not just not just Seattle. Its the progressive centers for reform who wish well but perform blindly like Los Angeles:

https://xtown.la/2022/04/01/car-thefts-may-have-peaked/

or Portland:

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/0 ... hefts.html

The sentiment may be right but the rollout and prioritization of the policies is outright blind IMO

It's where the property values are high, ding ding. Inequality.

https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-S ... ngton.html

Exactly..

Who are the five best rappers of all time? Think about it

Deflect Deflect Deflect Deflect Deflect

Because I spit hot fire!

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Looks like a mob of food and shelter addicts to me.

[orange808]

Drug abuse by city
https://americanaddictioncenters.org/le ... e-by-city/

CDC drug overdose by state
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosm ... soning.htm

Interesting. Drug use and mortality in Washington is surprisingly low. I suspected Seattle would have larger issues.

Your narrative doesn't add up for me. I don't see a mob of drug addicts that spiked the crime rate in Seattle.

[Hoagtech]

Drug abuse by city
https://americanaddictioncenters.org/le ... e-by-city/

CDC drug overdose by state
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosm ... soning.htm

Interesting. Drug use and mortality in Washington is surprisingly low. I suspected Seattle would have larger issues.

Your narrative doesn't add up for me. I don't see a mob of drug addicts that spiked the crime rate in Seattle.

Well for one your referencing 2020 lol

[BulletMagnet]

Why are there no mental institutions if mental health is the concern?

This anomaly can be laid directly at the feet of the "tough on crime" crowd, who insisted for years that sissy touchy-feely therapy was a waste of time and instead diverted those funds to police departments; even now, when mental health has become the latest fig leaf for their pants-on-head interpretation of the second amendment, they're still doing it.

This is what the "defund the police" movement is about, not abolishing the institution altogether, but putting those funds back where they came from and hopefully reducing the need for policing before it manifests itself; naturally, the "hit their head as you stuff them into the police cruiser" demographic is fighting like hell against that, too, until the next mass shooting makes them pretend they were pro-mental health all along again.

[orange808]

When we have 2022 drug numbers, I'll be the one smiling. You see, the world doesn't work the way you think it does.

We **do** have crime stats and that didn't spike. I see no reason to expect that drug use has experienced an unprecedented rise. Even if it somehow did, the crime rate wasn't affected.

Your city doesn't have a huge drug problem and overall crime (while historically stubbornly high.in your town) has been trending downward. Seems to spike a bit when the economy tanks. Not unexpected.

Also, today's words are standard deviation and statistically significant.

You're reacting to some sort of bias.

Also, the map shows that Republican voters are the druggies.

[Hoagtech]

When we have 2022 drug numbers, I'll be the one smiling. You see, the world doesn't work the way you think it does.

We **do** have crime stats and that didn't spike. I see no reason to expect that drug use has experienced an unprecedented rise. Even if it somehow did, the crime rate wasn't affected.

Your city doesn't have a huge drug problem and overall crime (while historically stubbornly high.in your town) has been trending downward. Seems to spike a bit when the economy tanks. Not unexpected.

Also, today's words are standard deviation and statistically significant.

You're reacting to some sort of bias.

Also, the map shows that Republican voters are the druggies.

Ok. time crawl out from under your rock and smell the burning garbage. I prefer blame deflection at this point over denial of existence.

https://www.ppic.org/blog/after-decreas ... p-in-2021/

Homicides alone are up 47% from 2 years ago.

[BryanM]

Also, the map shows that Republican voters are the druggies.

God, you city kids have no idea. There's nothing to do but get blasted in povertytown. There was a city of around 600, crammed into the space of about three blocks, near my childhood home. The nights where you couldn't see a police car parked out there with its lights on, were the irregular ones.

(I kind of assume that's a reason those kind of regions are red on election maps in the first place: all the people with souls are too blitzed and disenfranchised with society to care about elections. And you can't say they're even wrong to do so.)

Not dissimilar to the Native American "going south" thing, where they go south of the reservation to pick up booze.

As much as I aspire to be an alcoholic, those I've met in real life are nothing like me at all. No hobbies (porch-sitting doesn't count!); though stuff normies do like "Netflix and chill" or posting on the internet are equally as useless, they don't seem as bad.

naturally, the "hit their head as you stuff them into the police cruiser" demographic is fighting like hell against that, too, until the next mass shooting makes them pretend they were pro-mental health all along again.

Well yeah, hurting "those people" is the entire point of conservatism. If you're not a capitalist making free money from other people's work, you want something in return for your boot licking. You wouldn't want a world where kids get free sandwiches and have some path to integrate with society, that's less victims for you to crush with the boot.

Quoting lasers at these feeling people never comes close to touching them; Hume's guillotine makes them invulnerable to numbers. (Numbers are like waving garlic in front of vampires, it only makes them angrier.) Hurting people feels good.

When you ask these people examples of why they're so purportedly afraid all the time, it's always just one (1) weak sauce event that possibly didn't even happen to them, and even then had a severe misinterpretation of reality.

What can you expect when liberals take their masks off.

[orange808]

Google Portugal if you want to see drug policy in action. They legalized drug consumption, addressed the obvious consequences, and (get this!) both crime and drug use have declined steadily--and crime and drug use didn't return even after decades. They changed their laws over twenty years ago.

Inconvenient, isn't it?

Those stupid facts are always getting in the way of right wing predetermined conclusions. God forbid we accept the realities around us and make a plan

[orange808]

When we have 2022 drug numbers, I'll be the one smiling. You see, the world doesn't work the way you think it does.

We **do** have crime stats and that didn't spike. I see no reason to expect that drug use has experienced an unprecedented rise. Even if it somehow did, the crime rate wasn't affected.

Your city doesn't have a huge drug problem and overall crime (while historically stubbornly high.in your town) has been trending downward. Seems to spike a bit when the economy tanks. Not unexpected.

Also, today's words are standard deviation and statistically significant.

You're reacting to some sort of bias.

Also, the map shows that Republican voters are the druggies.

Ok. time crawl out from under your rock and smell the burning garbage. I prefer blame deflection at this point over denial of existence.

https://www.ppic.org/blog/after-decreas ... p-in-2021/

Homicides alone are up 47% from 2 years ago.

That isn't Seattle.

Yes. More people are dying from gunshots in California. Who'da fucking thunk it??
https://www.ppic.org/blog/mass-shootings-in-california/

(Oops. Your own source website bit your ass.)

Unfortunately, the drug use map doesn't support your argument. It's not drugs. What could it be?

Now, if I check property values and cost of living versus wages.. I wonder what we'll find...

Lots of inequality and easy access to guns. What could go wrong?

But, don't let reality get in your way. You aren't here to worry about what's best. You're here to support your dogma.

You're the one under a rock. You googled real hard when you were blindsided with the data. I had a general idea of the trends around me when we started. Did you? Under a rock, indeed. I learned that Seattle actually has less drug use and drug related crime than I anticipated.

[Hoagtech]

When we have 2022 drug numbers, I'll be the one smiling. You see, the world doesn't work the way you think it does.

We **do** have crime stats and that didn't spike. I see no reason to expect that drug use has experienced an unprecedented rise. Even if it somehow did, the crime rate wasn't affected.

Your city doesn't have a huge drug problem and overall crime (while historically stubbornly high.in your town) has been trending downward. Seems to spike a bit when the economy tanks. Not unexpected.

Also, today's words are standard deviation and statistically significant.

You're reacting to some sort of bias.

Also, the map shows that Republican voters are the druggies.

Ok. time crawl out from under your rock and smell the burning garbage. I prefer blame deflection at this point over denial of existence.

https://www.ppic.org/blog/after-decreas ... p-in-2021/

Homicides alone are up 47% from 2 years ago.

That isn't Seattle.

Yes. More people are dying from gunshots in California. Who'da fucking thunk it??
https://www.ppic.org/blog/mass-shootings-in-california/

(Oops. Your own source website bit your ass.)

Unfortunately, the drug use map doesn't support your argument. It's not drugs. What could it be?

Now, if I check property values and cost of living versus wages.. I wonder what we'll find...

Lots of inequality and easy access to guns. What could go wrong?

But, don't let reality get in your way. You aren't here to worry about what's best. You're here to support your dogma.

You're the one under a rock. You googled real hard when you were blindsided with the data. I had a general idea of the trends around me when we started. Did you? Under a rock, indeed. I learned that Seattle actually has less drug use and drug related crime than I anticipated.

What are you talking about? I was referencing all three major liberal cities. I'm not mad about it I'm seriously wondering why you are making claims of lack of crime and drug problems when the stats are aren't skewed and readily available. And I agree with the dogma statement. None of this keyboard pushing is doing anything other than possibly showing that realistic problems are ok to care about. That's why I'm going to the Bellingham County Council tomorrow and asking why their are no treatment options and why our jail is in shambles. I suggest if something is wrong in your community you do the same.

Here's some government resources to waste your time a little bit more. There are some counties in Oregon that have seen a 700% increase in overdose deaths. And overdosing isn't the problem. Violent offenders are running under the guise "possibly mentally ill" when we all know its the Sanctuary and drug policies that are putting crack back into our streets and are doing nothing about.

In areas of the world where legalization worked "better" were countries that followed through with therapy and rehabilitation programs and had physical institutions for mental health treatment. In Portugal the county that represents a drop of opioid deaths because of legalization still arrests the offender but instead of jail stay in front of a judge they sentence them to treatment.

This needs to become a priority and liberal politicians are ignoring the priorities.

Why aren't we following through and getting these people rehabilitation or treatment?

Our blue hats think that legalizing means no treatment and a helpline business card which you can assume the offender will never call.

https://doh.wa.gov/newsroom/overdose-de ... tinue-rise

https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/deaths/index.html

https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/i ... erdose.pdf

https://nida.nih.gov/sites/default/file ... od2020.jpg

[orange808]

What are you talking about? I was referencing all three major liberal cities.

You keep moving the goalposts. You opened with crime stats about your hometown and claimed it's "through the roof". Only, it's been trending the other way for decades. You blamed drugs, but we found no evidence. In fact, we found the biggest drug problems in primarily red states (and outside Seattle). It's not going "through the roof". There is no surge of drug use. You're having a fantasy.

I also saw one of your sources mentioned there's a lot of car theft. If you recall, we already established that's probably organized crime and those cars are being smuggled abroad. Junkies don't circumvent computerized theft deterrents and shift cars out of the country for resale.

I'm not mad about it I'm seriously wondering why you are making claims of lack of crime and drug problems when the stats are aren't skewed and readily available.

Why is it every time someone like you hears something that doesn't line up with your predetermined dogma, you say the statistics are "skewed" without offering any evidence or logical explanation?

Also, a "liberal" is a Reagan Democrat. Are you aware of how diverse and complicated our political landscape is? Just checking. I don't personally like liberals very much.

And I agree with the dogma statement.

No, you really don't. If you did, you'd reconsider some things. I didn't support either universal health care or legalizing drug use (not drug sales) when I was young. I evidence piled up and I changed my mind. There weren't any really good examples of better models back then.

Here's some government resources to waste your time a little bit more. There are some counties in Oregon that have seen a 700% increase in overdose deaths.

So? I don't know where that is and it's just one little place. For all I know, they went from one death to seven. A small enough place could see significantly higher mortality from one "bad" shipment of drugs (no safety standards for illegal substances). You're also talking about a one time occurrence. Didnth3 victims all know each other? How does "some overdose somewhere" prove your point? You just moved the goalposts again. Seattle, to California, and on to Oregon??? What's your point?

And overdosing isn't the problem. Violent offenders are running under the guise "possibly mentally ill"

Prove it. I asked you to prove it multiple posts back and all you do is repeat it without evidence--and keep grabbing random stats from random locations. The last thing you mentioned had no citation at all.

In areas of the world where legalization worked "better" were countries that followed through with therapy and rehabilitation programs and had physical institutions for mental health treatment.

Yep. Need universal health care. Others do it, get better results, and it costs less than America already spends.

Speaking of legalization, I noticed that red states are smoking MORE dope than other "liberal" places that legalized weed. That's fucking golden. I learned something else I didn't know. You immediately assumed it's a lie, probably. lmao

In Portugal the county that represents a drop of opioid deaths because of legalization still arrests the offender but instead of jail stay in front of a judge they sentence them to treatment.

That's not entirely true. They "arrest" drug dealers, not drug users. Police don't have resources to aggressively run out and pick up users. I imagine most of the treatment referrals are homeless people. They refer people to a panel and assign them treatment--not a judge.

This needs to become a priority and liberal politicians are ignoring the priorities.

Actually, universal health care and steering people toward treatment defines most lefty agendas. You're right about the liberals though. Those GOP-lite "centrists" still support the war on drugs enthusiastically and the ACA gave them the bankruptcy protection they wanted; those liberals are quite comfortable. I'm sure there's plenty of them in Seattle or you can easily find them down in San Francisco (where they are going to throw the DA out for trying to steer away from right wing tradition).

Why aren't we following through and getting these people rehabilitation or treatment?

Because, we let people like Elon Musk dodge taxes and trust him to do "what's best"???

Our blue hats think that legalizing means no treatment and a helpline business card which you can assume the offender will never call.

It's the right wing libertarians that want laissez-faire legalization. That's Rand Paul stuff. Although, I'm sure you can easily find a lot of suburban liberals (GOP-lite) with a libertarian view on drugs.

[Hoagtech]

I referenced the CDC and Dept of Health stating the trending rise of drug overdoses. California has the highest overdose rate in the country btw.

Drugs are out of control and mortality rates show that. The mortality rates are clearly hyperlinked in the CDC and DOH sources I provided

[orange808]

I referenced the CDC and Dept of Health stating the trending rise of drug overdoses. California has the highest overdose rate in the country btw.

Drugs are out of control and mortality rates show that. The mortality rates are clearly hyperlinked in the CDC and DOH sources I provided

Highest per capita? I would expect to find extremely high raw numbers of a lot of things in California. It's big and very densely populated.

Just for fun, California has approximately twice the population of Florida, yet red Florida has about two thirds the raw drug overdose individual deaths of California. Do the math.

Just scribbling on a napkin, that's going to work out to: 150% of California drug overdose deaths per person.

You were saying???

[BryanM]

There used to be a "morals and ethics weekly" show on PBS, and I'd always scoff "two imaginary things that don't exist!" and change the channel. It was not on the same level as Bill Moyers And Company, or The McLaughlin Clucking Chickens Group.

However, this succinct dramatic reading of a 4chan post has more insight into morality than anything I've run across in my entire life.

The comment section is likewise observent:

"Littering is the same kind of thing, if you can't be bothered to...."

"The difference between a good person and a bad person is if something bad happens to a bad person they want it to happen to others to "get even" but if something bad happens to a good person, they try their best so it doesnt ever happen to anyone else."

"Grocery Store managers are mini Hitlers... every one of 'em! : D"

"The measure of an individual is whether they will return the shopping cart. The measure of a society is how many people live out of them."

"Optimist: I'm tired of people assuming that an apocalyptic scenario would lead to utter social collapse. instead people would band together and try to rebuild a better society.

* me gesturing broadly at the nearest grocery store parking lot"

etc. God, it's a goldmine that never ends.

I always put my carts back into their return corral; someone could hit that shit with their car.

[Mischief Maker]

If little Suzy wants to play volleyball in Ohio, she now needs to have some sweaty middle-aged Republican measure her clit with a calipers first.



I think at this point it's clear that all the "hysterical" SJWs who people said were overreacting have now been proven absolutely correct in their predictions.

[vol.2]

Oh wow. Where was this picture from? I know the woman behind the white lady screaming. She used to live in Baltimore and moved away just prior to pandemic.

[Mischief Maker]

I dunno, it's one of those pictures the right has been using in their terrible, terrible memes forever.

[vol.2]

I dunno, it's one of those pictures the right has been using in their terrible, terrible memes forever.

Weird. That still makes sense though she looks a lot younger than she would be at this point, and that shirt looks like one she wore. But could just be a doppelgänger it happens.

[BryanM]

The know your meme page only includes the Infowars clip it originated from.

Dredging the google for more is well. An alternating experience in useless and unpleasant. As librarian of internet, the first thing I would do is skim through the original Infowars episode to see if they mention where this rally/protest happened.

Really not interested in spending hours or seconds trudging around their website.

As always, the only Infowars related thing I recommend is the possibility of chemicals causing hermaphroditism in frogs being swept under the rug by corporate capture of regulation. They straight up tried to bribe the guy to shutter his study and do propaganda for them, sheesh.

[vol.2]

lol. I remember vaguely when that lawsuit happened. It's cool to see the whole story like that though. One question I would have is why the youtube host doesn't think that it should be banned. He openly states that it should be without giving a reason.

[orange808]

That lady has a funny look on her face! You know fer sure she's wrong.

She's.. like... obviously so stupid. Fer real, dog!

https://youtu.be/sIRDCR8xSO0

Aw, human nature. We're so-ooo smart.

[EmperorIng]

As always, the only Infowars related thing I recommend is the possibility of chemicals causing hermaphroditism in frogs being swept under the rug by corporate capture of regulation. They straight up tried to bribe the guy to shutter his study and do propaganda for them, sheesh.

You also forget the award-winning best-selling FMV game.

[orange808]

Kinda funny. Phil Ochs described San Francisco and its inhabitants so perfectly. The irony.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/ope ... 226712.php

[BryanM]

The homeless policy in Los Angeles is to take them in a bus to the border, and toss them across the highway into Culver City. I know mentioning that is kind of redundant since what else could it have been in our country, but y'know.

It always reminds me of my father's old boss's failson. The kid was deeply into meth. Got arrested for driving under the influence, his dad yelled at the cops, threatened them, and I think he might have made some sexist comments? His father was a city councilman, so I think the kid spent all of a night in jail as the entirety of the consequences.

A number of years ago, I noticed the failson was running for his old man's old seat. He lost a couple times, but I knew it was only a matter of time that he'd win it. And he did, back around 2020. Good for him.

I am deeply disappointed that my mother never became one of those crazy old ladys who'd hound him for a grievance, I always love those kinds of characters. In this case, for stealing her gun. Which he or his brother very likely pawned for some drug money.

> Crazy old grievance ladies

(Like the lady who will not stop blaming Sanders for not being able to materialize the millions of dollars necessary to fix Burlington's sewer. I like to joke the sole reason he tried to become president, was entirely to fix the damn sewer and get over the PTSD that woman gave him.)

[Sengoku Strider]

[orange808]

In the "T zone"!

Spoiler

I also pity the fool that misuses letter "T".