The LGBT Thread

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:48 pm

All this moralizing about the private, consensual behavior of other people reminded me of a story.

Little Tony was sitting on a park bench munching on one candy bar after another.

After the 6th candy bar, a man on the bench across from him said,
"Son, you know eating all that candy isn't good for you. It will give you acne, rot your teeth, and make you fat."

Little Tony replied, "My grandfather lived to be 107 years old."

The man asked, "Did your grandfather eat 6 candy bars at a time?"

Little Tony answered, "No, he minded his own fucking business."

antron · Post by **antron** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:10 pm

well, Fred Phelps is dead, darn.

I'd like to share this little article from not to long ago that had my side hurting for days:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... ahoma.html

This summer, the humor got dark indeed when the temple decided to take on Fred Phelps Jr., head of the viciously anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church. Traveling to Meridian, Mississippi, where Phelps’s late mother is interred, temple members performed a graveside “ritual”—complete with same-sex smooching and Greaves decked out in a high-priest ram’s-horn headdress—aimed at turning the spirit of Phelps’s mother gay. They likened the ceremony, dubbed a “Pink Mass,” to the Mormon Church’s practice of post-mortem baptisms. Greaves called on other gay couples to visit the grave and suggested that more conversions were to come: “We haven’t gayed Fred’s father yet, or his great-aunt, Irene Jordan, who raised him after his mother died. We will perform Pink Masses for each of them, and more descendants of the Phelps, each time they picket funerals or applaud horrific terrorist actions, as they are known to do. Fred himself is getting pretty long in the tooth, and I hope to be presiding over his Pink Mass before long.” Meridian police were not amused and vowed to collect affidavits with an eye toward arresting the perpetrators.

Blinge · Post by **Blinge** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:26 pm

nyahaha, his mother's grave!! lmao that's genius.

Krooze L-Roy · Post by **Krooze L-Roy** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:40 pm

Phelps will be missed. Possibly the greatest troll of our time.

HenAi · Post by **HenAi** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:53 pm

Xyga wrote:The AIDS excuse is also very funny, like AIDS was specifically targeting gays. Lol.
That would mean most people who have AIDS are or have been gay at some point. Lol².

AIDS is of course a punishment sent by god against the gays. And the drug addicts. Aaaand I guess the niggers. Everybody else is only catching it because they do nothing against the aforementioned groups.
Or if you're not into religion, how about "AIDS was created through gay sex through (absurd pseudoscientific explanation)". Then there's "AIDS doesn't exist, it's only a range of symptoms caused by taking drugs and/or gay sex". Maybe "the old greeks were gay, look what happened to them"?

Fairly sure there's a good deal more of these out there.

Xyga · Post by **Xyga** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:58 pm

Craziest therory I've heard: chimp rape.

gs68 · Post by **gs68** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:42 am

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/20/us/westbo ... nder-dead/

For years, Phelps joked about the possibility that his own funeral would draw protests. During a sermon in 2006, he said a CNN reporter once asked how he would feel if that occurred.

"I'd love it. I'd invite them," Phelps told the reporter, according to the Wichita Eagle. "I said: 'I'll put in my will to pay your way. But not first class.' "

But Shirley Phelps-Roper, Phelps' daughter, said Westboro will not hold a funeral for its patriarch.

"We do not worship the dead," Phelps-Roper told CNN.

But...

But Shirley Phelps-Roper, Phelps' daughter, said Westboro will not hold a funeral for its patriarch.

"We do not worship the dead," Phelps-Roper told CNN.

isn't...

"We do not worship the dead," Phelps-Roper told CNN.

Jesus Christ...

"We do not worship the dead,"

also dead?

Eno · Post by **Eno** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:19 am

gs68 wrote:isn't...
"We do not worship the dead," Phelps-Roper told CNN.
Jesus Christ...
"We do not worship the dead,"
also dead?

Being a christian pretty much entails believing jj resurected and is pretty damn well alive and kickin' in heaven, so no. Maybe there's some sect that believes he is dead or in a superposition of alive and dead or anything else by now, but you get my point.

Moniker · Post by **Moniker** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:53 pm

^What I was gonna say. Although it still remains to be shown how funerals constitute worship of anyone but, y'know, god. The funeral masses/whatevers I've been to have all been pretty unambiguous. No point in arguing with crazy though, I sappose.

gs68 · Post by **gs68** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:35 pm

Still, "we do not worship the dead" is a pretty flimsy excuse to not have a funeral, whether it's Fred Phucks or someone who wasn't an asshole.

Gathering friends and family to honor a fallen person =/= Unquestioning devotion. Sure, it's poor form to talk smack about the late subject of the funeral, but I like to think those at a funeral have some things they didn't like about the deceased, but keep it to themselves.

Krooze L-Roy · Post by **Krooze L-Roy** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:34 pm

Supposedly, Fred was excommunicated from his church in his final days. Either he saw the end coming and decided he'd better pull a face turn just in case the whole Christianity thing is real after all, or (my personal theory), in some unguarded moment, he intentionally or accidentally revealed his own latent homo-tendency, which was the root of his fag-hatin' ways from the beginning.

KennyMan666 · Post by **KennyMan666** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:17 am

Oklahoma brings out their sharpest minds to argue against marriage equality in a case:

Lawyers for Smith argued that marriage is about furthering "potentially procreative sexual relationships into stable unions" rather than recognizing the love and commitment of two people.

They (plaintiffs) reduce marriage from an institution that exists to benefit children and society, and relegate it to a mere stamp through which the government approves loving, emotional unions between adult couples

This is what they've been reduced to. Their arguments are no longer even about homosexuality. No, they're literally arguing that marriage doesn't have anything to do with love, which I think says a lot about the equality opponents.

CStarFlare · Post by **CStarFlare** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:30 pm

I'm curious to hear what you guys think of the Brenden Eich thing? I didn't appreciate his donation in support of Prop 8, but wasn't really in support of him getting the boot. But I live in a region where I assume the majority of people are (at a minimum) against gay marriage so I'd have a difficult time if I didn't accept the idea that people can hold that belief and still be fundamentally decent people and competent leaders.

trap15 · Post by **trap15** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:32 pm

This post by the great byuu himself sums up my position pretty well: http://board.byuu.org/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4699

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:01 pm

CStarFlare wrote:I'm curious to hear what you guys think of the Brenden Eich thing? I didn't appreciate his donation in support of Prop 8, but wasn't really in support of him getting the boot. But I live in a region where I assume the majority of people are (at a minimum) against gay marriage so I'd have a difficult time if I didn't accept the idea that people can hold that belief and still be fundamentally decent people and competent leaders.

On one hand, supporting restrictions on marriage and throwing money at organizations like that is pretty crap behavior .. it's essentially moral censorship against something completely harmless. The harm only exists in their minds.

On the other hand, it's not like he was plotting to add a "Gays shouldn't marry!" speech bubble to the Firefox logo. (Or was he? DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN). Maybe he was going to start discriminatory hiring practices, we'll never know now.

trap15 · Post by **trap15** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:19 pm

Except it's not just censorship. It's classing an entire population of humanity as inferior and not deserving of equal rights, which is pretty fucked. It should be understandable why you do not want someone who deems populations of humanity as inferior as the top-dog in your company.

EDIT: It's not just the belief that they're inferior that's the problem though. The real problem is that he actively oppressed those he believes are inferior by attempting to legislate their inferiority. That is where the line is crossed, in my opinion. If you're a bigoted asshole, ok fine. But don't fuck with other peoples' rights because of your shitty opinion.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:43 pm

Yeah, it's too dangerous to allow someone like that to be in such a powerful position. Just the risk of someone pushing their political agenda where it shouldn't be is reason enough.

CStarFlare · Post by **CStarFlare** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:13 pm

Udderdude wrote:On the other hand, it's not like he was plotting to add a "Gays shouldn't marry!" speech bubble to the Firefox logo. (Or was he? DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN). Maybe he was going to start discriminatory hiring practices, we'll never know now.

This was kind of my feeling on the matter - my understanding was that he was always seen as supportive of LGBT rights initiatives in the workplace, which I took as a good indication that he was unlikely to try to change Mozilla's culture despite his views on marriage or gay rights in general.

That said, I certainly understand that people who were directly impacted by Prop 8 would take his support of it much more personally. I'm too far removed from the legislation to feel outraged by a small donation that supported it.

Eno · Post by **Eno** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:58 pm

CStarFlare wrote:
Udderdude wrote:On the other hand, it's not like he was plotting to add a "Gays shouldn't marry!" speech bubble to the Firefox logo. (Or was he? DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN). Maybe he was going to start discriminatory hiring practices, we'll never know now.
This was kind of my feeling on the matter - my understanding was that he was always seen as supportive of LGBT rights initiatives in the workplace, which I took as a good indication that he was unlikely to try to change Mozilla's culture despite his views on marriage or gay rights in general.

That said, I certainly understand that people who were directly impacted by Prop 8 would take his support of it much more personally. I'm too far removed from the legislation to feel outraged by a small donation that supported it.

That was my feeling, initially, too. I expected him to come up, ensure people he would let Mozilla's values rule in Mozilla and keep all the inclusive programs in place and peace would reign again. But after all the tap dancing on interviews and his inability to even properly address that on them, followed by his sudden resignation, I'm not so sure anymore. And it didn''t make him look like a promising CEO after all(though I do wonder how others would handle such PR bomb just hours after being appointed for the position).

One thing I wonder is how much harm he could potentially do as Mozilla Corporation's CEO, since AFAIK it's only a subsidiary of Mozilla Foundation. How accountable to the Foundation's board of directors is the CEO?

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:38 am

trap15 wrote:If you're a bigoted asshole, ok fine. But don't fuck with other peoples' rights because of your shitty opinion.

Unfortunately, that's kind of the point of being a bigot.

Illyrian · Post by **Illyrian** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:55 am

My only problem with LBTGBBQ stuff is the kind of damaging crap people are peddling on websites like Tumblr.

Gender Dysphoria is a serious mental issue that requires professional help and support. As mentioned earlier in the thread the suicide level in transgender people is scarily high. However, on the internets people who talk about their issues with gender dysphoria more and more are being told that they are okay just as they are and in fact they should embrace their issue and not seek help with it, by an increasing number of bitter, angry misanthropic special snowflake douchbags. They are told that there are all kinds of "tags" to help them categorize their issue, hundreds of them in fact. These people then tell them that society hates and oppresses them, and that if they DO ask for help they will be mocked, publicly outed and made fun of. This leads to them spiralling into depression, and without the proper professional support far too many people end up just as twisted and angry as those who filled their heads with lies before.

The way in which this is done quite closely mirrors how a cult operates. A strong personality finds a weak one, probably a person who has had an unremarkable or difficult life and tells them that, in fact, THEY ARE AWESOME!! and it is society who is wrong. And if your friends or family try to tell you otherwise then they are obviously oppressing you and you should never talk to them again!

This is dangerous. This is the sort of stuff, that on a bigger level lead to things like the Jonestown Cult mass suicide. Where people have been brainwashed to believe a very narrow band of beliefs is all that is real, and that anyone who doesn't directly agree with them is an enemy.

The sad thing is these types of beliefs rot the mind. They lead people to boil themselves down into a number of tags, descriptors that describe who they are. People, who want to be seen for more than their sexuality actively pigeon hole themselves into categories and then praise the community that made them do exactly what they didn't want to do.

Some people just can't handle that life is unfair. They have to believe they are some super special snowflake, and to do that they need all these super special tags and groups. Ultimately though I believe these are incredibly damaging.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:17 am

^ Interesting and well written post Ill. I never looked at it from the perspective that some of these guys may need professional attention because all the SJW stuff is overwhelmingly positive about destroying gender binaries so they can label themselves as something outrageous.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:13 am

Anyone in Tokyo can get their gay on at Rainbow Pride 2014 on 04.27. Unlike other gay pride events, like in SF (which, don't get me wrong, is really fun), this one is very family friendly, unless you like indoctrinating your children.

glitch · Post by **glitch** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:49 am

omg. @_@
if circumstance allows i might just make the trip for that.
supposedly nagoya used to have one too, but not in recent years.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:31 am

It's pretty fun. The usual sort of gathering across from Yoyogi Park. Where they have the Thai-fest (which is way too fucking packed these days) amongst other fests.

BareKnuckleRoo · Post by **BareKnuckleRoo** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:56 am

GaijinPunch wrote:Anyone in Tokyo can get their gay on at Rainbow Pride 2014 on 04.27. Unlike other gay pride events, like in SF (which, don't get me wrong, is really fun), this one is very family friendly, unless you like indoctrinating your children.

I actually think that's a very good idea - if the main image at your gay pride event is people running around half-naked in fetish gear that's probably not helping to break any stereotypes. You can hold a gay pride I think while still downplaying the actual sexual aspects and it'd probably do better in a public PR sense.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:07 am

My opinion re: Brendan Eich, the LGBT community hasn't gone far enough to purge society of all the filthy anti-gay bigots who supported prop 8. First of all, the guy co-founded Mozilla. Where was the outrage years ago? That we waited so long to get rid of this disgusting excuse for a human reflects poorly on every supporter of gay rights. Second, over 35,000 people contributed to prop 8. I say we track down each and everyone of them, and publically shame their employers until they're forced to resign too. It may be illegal in California to fire someone over their political activity, but this isn't speech, it's oppression! and if we can't get them fired then we can make their lives so hellish that hopefully they end up unemployable and in the street. Finally, since voting isn't speech and is actually an act of political force desined to impose one's views on other people, we should open up the voter rolls and go after the remaining 7 million people who voted in favor of prop 8. I don't want to buy my coffee, cheeseburgers, vinyl flooring, or have my toilet fixed by some subhuman piece of shit. Maybe some time on the welfare rolls will teach those pigfuckers some tolerance.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:33 am

I'd rather oust them with my wallet, although I don't know if I'd stop using Chrome if some head honcho at Google turned out to be Anti-gay.

xorthen · Post by **xorthen** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:39 am

I have a very old fashioned friend who believes homosexuality is a mental illness and that those types of people need help.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:51 am

xorthen wrote:I have a very old fashioned friend who believes homosexuality is a mental illness and that those types of people need help.

Real life or Facebook? I generally have to write these people off. I'm all for time travel, but if we're to thrive as a species these mother fuckers have to get out of the 1950's.

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