All time low for Cave's "sex sells" tactic

Post by **system11** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:49 am

Dandy J wrote:Eight year olds, Dude. Eight year olds.

One of the best films -ever-.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:56 am

PER-VERTS!!! Get it.

Only moderately funny the first time.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:57 am

bloodflowers wrote:
Dandy J wrote:Eight year olds, Dude. Eight year olds.
One of the best films -ever-.

cigsthecat · Post by **cigsthecat** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:13 am

This is hilarious. She doesn't even appear to have nipples or a vagina.

SMUT!

Post by **Icarus** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:21 am

dave4shmups wrote:Although I agree with UD-there's no need for Cave to go down to the lowest common denominator with this smut. Maybe Ibara would've done better if Cave had put more effort into the game itself, rather then all the sexual crap involved with it.

Just because Ibara isn't doing well doesn't mean it is because of their marketing tactic or their character design. If it's not doing well it's because Ibara is a different breed of gameplay to what most Cave fans are used to, and because of that, it probably turned them off the game.

Take into consideration:

Games made between Donpachi and Mushi = Cave-style
Ibara = Raizing-style <-- not many people like these, remember?

ResOGlas · Post by **ResOGlas** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:13 am

Meh, sex sells. Take it with a grain of salt. I have to admit that I thought the close up panty shot when you beat the first level in Ibara was pretty funny (Pretty much what you see in my avatar). Ibara is a great shooter, and some close ups of panties isn't going to stop anyone in Japan from playing the game (trust me). Aside from the sexy girl bosses, it's pretty obvious that design-wise Ibara is a dedication to Battle Garegga. Don't get me wrong, the bullet patterns and difficulty are up to par with all the other Cave games and I personally can't wait until I can get my hands on an Ibara board.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:40 am

GaijinPunch wrote:
PER-VERTS!!! Get it.
Only moderately funny the first time.

Hey, why the rolling eyes and the frown?
Don't get all pissy about it, I'm just trying to share my sense of humor with some of the newer members here.

Besides, I don't ever remember asking you to be my personal critique.

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:45 am

Funnily enough I recall a similar image promoting the Xbox shmup Xyanide...

The murderous witch in that game uses an avatar of a young child, as I recall.

icepick · Post by **icepick** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:24 am

Monkey_Man wrote:Three things:

1) A Cave hentai shump would be pretty cool.

2) I commend Japan for its open-mindedness towards sex, vs. our keeping it out of everything while completely ignoring the violence (that has much worse an effect than sex would).

3) I'd hit it.

Yay monkey man!

I know that the idea is that if we let anything "slide," or deem appropriate, we'll eventually be saying that (as of now) far worse things are somewhat "O.K." because there are even worse things... But, that's sort of underestimating human decency, I think. There's nothing inherently sexual about a naked girl or boy, provided that it's not doing anything... well... sexual. It's mostly when persons inclined to think about sexual matters come into contact with such subjects or instances, that things start to become tainted. The sexually perverted/deprived/abused in our society beget more sexually perverted/deprived/abusive notions and persons, and so for those of whom do not immediately think of sexual matters when viewing such content, the matter instead will tend to be something relating to the aforementioned sexually perverted/deprived/abused persons, being that this sort of thing should not be available anywhere in order to keep it from the SP/D/A persons and preventing any further SP/D/A notions, and it's still tainted.

Don't get me wrong; There are definitely some sexually-related messages coming across from these Cave people--However, they seem to be generally more pure and clean, to me. A fit, virile young person will typically be more pleasant to view than an overweight, deteriorating old one (though a fit, wise old one would be nice as well). In this case, a young girl--Energetic and lively, chipper and cheerful. Certainly, she might have somewhat of an unrealistically proportioned figure, but one could say the same thing about the virile, nude bug that she rides atop on many promotional materials. Large breasts and a fit midsection are no more lewd or distasteful than the old comment relating to "child-bearing hips." Large breasts signify to the male instinct that nurturing food will be plentiful in the early stages of a newborn's life, and a fit midsection of course indicates that there will indeed be room for life therein, not to mention a healthy growing environment within a likely-active and healthy woman.

"But nobody actually looks like that. Every woman is different!"

Well, if they have breasts and a midsection (which most women do), then this is somewhat of a moot issue. Anyone with a proper diet and exercise regimen can look positively radiant, even if they don't have blue hair or a cute outfit.

"That's totally off-topic. We're talking about nudie paper dolls, here."

Back to the doll: It's a naked girl. As cigs mentioned, she is not anatomically correct. She's not in any sort of suggestive pose. Granted, she could have undergarments or something, but that would likely lead to even more calls of indecency from various groups, and they're not necessary anyway. Here in the US, we tend to be deprived and somewhat perverted. Revealing clothing is associated with having sex, and since sex is so publicly shunned and hushed, it tends to be a lot of what we think about. (Granted, once you reach a certain age, you're instinctually driven to procreate, but even besides that.) In effect, we've made us the way that we are by our own practices and social rules, and it sort of stinks.

Then again, this has all been said before. I was in a typing mood.

Her hair is amazing--It goes all the way down to her feet! Anyone else like those adorable stockings and gloves?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:34 am

Besides, I don't ever remember asking you to be my personal critique.

Relax. Was just a joke. That's not a frown. This is...

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:23 am

dave4shmups wrote:
Dandy J wrote:Don't blame Cave, blame the wierdo Japanese culture.
Umm, last time I checked Hugh Hefner and Larry Flint weren't Japanese names

Heh, if you think those are equivalent to what some here are talking about, you've clearly never seen Japanese porn.

Hugh Hefner, especially, just takes pictures of naked women. Playboy is about as soft as porn can possibly get. Not much of a comparison.

bVork · Post by **bVork** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:43 am

Super Laydock wrote:Nor has there been a decent shmup making company! :P

/|\
Tempest, Centipede, Millipede

\/\/
Robotron, Stargate, Defender, Sinistar, Smash TV

\
(:-) - Y a K
/
Tempest 2000, Tempest 3000, Attack of the Mutant Camels, Llamatron

(Yeah, he's Welsh, but still...)

Palmer Eldritch · Post by **Palmer Eldritch** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:30 am

bVork wrote:
Super Laydock wrote:Nor has there been a decent shmup making company!
/|\
Tempest, Centipede, Millipede

\/\/
Robotron, Stargate, Defender, Sinistar, Smash TV

\
(:-) - Y a K
/
Tempest 2000, Tempest 3000, Attack of the Mutant Camels, Llamatron

(Yeah, he's Welsh, but still...)

I believe he meant shmup dedicated companies, in the vein of Psykio, Cave, Raizing etc.
Both Atari and Williams/Midway did all sorts of different stuff also. Williams´ ONLY claim to fame in the shmup department is probably due to Eugene Jarvis.
With regard to Llamasoft I agree (though they´re not US based). One of the best independent shmup dedicated companies in the world.

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:31 am

bVork wrote: \
(:-) - Y a K
/
Tempest 2000, Tempest 3000, Attack of the Mutant Camels, Llamatron

(Yeah, he's Welsh, but still...)

Tempest 2000, Tempest 3000 - originally atari's games

Attack of the Mutant Camels - shameless clone of empire strikes back on 2600

Llamatron - shameless clone of robotron

Palmer Eldritch · Post by **Palmer Eldritch** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:37 am

pixelcorps wrote:
bVork wrote: \
(:-) - Y a K
/
Tempest 2000, Tempest 3000, Attack of the Mutant Camels, Llamatron

(Yeah, he's Welsh, but still...)
Tempest 2000, Tempest 3000 - originally atari's games

Attack of the Mutant Camels - shameless clone of empire strikes back on 2600

Llamatron - shameless clone of robotron

If you replace the word clone with homage, remove the word shameless and add extremely playable, I couldn´t agree more.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:56 am

icepick wrote:
Monkey_Man wrote:Three things:

1) A Cave hentai shump would be pretty cool.

2) I commend Japan for its open-mindedness towards sex, vs. our keeping it out of everything while completely ignoring the violence (that has much worse an effect than sex would).

3) I'd hit it.
Yay monkey man!

I am not gonna quote all you posted (keeping it reading friendly

), but you
sum it up perfectly so I'd say:

Yay Icepick too!

I kinda miss the long postings I guess.

.

Minzoku · Post by **Minzoku** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:22 am

Ghegs wrote:And I bet Reko says "Are you ready? Let me grab your joystick!" or something with a similar double-meaning in the first image...

I can't make out the kanji in that to tell... it's too illegible

but it seems to have to do with playing with balls again..............

I have no socially-inflicted shame in playing with paper dolls... here y'all go: [I didn't do her normal dress, because I assume everyone knows what that looks like]

Even as paper dolls, though, it's kind of crap, because they don't line up well. I was trying very hard not to resize her clothes in Photoshop...

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:26 am

Very nicely done Minzoku!

The blue outfit is really se... erm cute!

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:26 am

GaijinPunch wrote:
Besides, I don't ever remember asking you to be my personal critique.
Relax. Was just a joke. That's not a frown. This is...

OK, your forgiven...I'll call the hitman off first thing tomorrow morning.

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:39 pm

bVork wrote: \
(:-) - Y a K
/
Tempest 2000, Tempest 3000, Attack of the Mutant Camels, Llamatron

(Yeah, he's Welsh, but still...)

With regards to Jeff Minter and shmups, let's not forget his fun mouse-controlled shmup Gridrunner++

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:42 pm

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:I'll call the hitman off first thing tomorrow morning.

Unfortunately, he's slated to do his job tonight.

Palmer Eldritch · Post by **Palmer Eldritch** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:51 pm

Thunder Force wrote: With regards to Jeff Minter and shmups, let's not forget his fun mouse-controlled shmup Gridrunner++

Not just fun. Bloody excellent. Sfx alone are worth the price of admission and the game´s designed with the player in mind.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:51 pm

Super Laydock wrote: Globalism could well lead to near "mono-culture" in the not so far off future.
.

::cough:: Sorry but I'm calling bullshit on that one.

Bar81 · Post by **Bar81** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:10 pm

Christ, the puritanism on this board is ridiculous. There is *nothing* wrong with sex. It's been selling stuff for years. Am I the only one that appreciates a good T&A package with their game. I'm not going to buy something just because of that, but as a bonus it sure as hell gets me to commit easier.

highlandcattle · Post by **highlandcattle** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:12 pm

sethsez wrote:Okay, let's be honest here... when it comes to general exposure of odd sexual fetishes, Japan is definitely up there with the best of them worldwide.

Oh yeah ,I think I read that the USA has the biggest Porn industry in the world.

icepick · Post by **icepick** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:14 am

Super Laydock wrote:I kinda miss the long postings I guess. .

Well, seeing as how this thread is bordering on off-topic as it is... I think about you almost every day, and I really do have a sort-of special something heading your way! As soon as I stop being busy, that is...

Minzoku wrote:I have no socially-inflicted shame in playing with paper dolls... here y'all go: [I didn't do her normal dress, because I assume everyone knows what that looks like]

(mushi-dress.gif)

Even as paper dolls, though, it's kind of crap, because they don't line up well. I was trying very hard not to resize her clothes in Photoshop...

Yay Minzoku as well!

I'll bet that it's the picture of the cut-out sheet that is slightly at an angle, thus yielding not-quite-fitting clothing... It still looks very nice, though!

Super Laydock wrote:The blue outfit is really se... erm cute!

My favorite is the white one! Excellent summer wear, I would imagine. Very coordinated, also.

Acid King wrote:
Super Laydock wrote:Globalism could well lead to near "mono-culture" in the not so far off future. .
::cough:: Sorry but I'm calling bullshit on that one.

You never know.

Stormwatch · Post by **Stormwatch** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:06 am

Super Laydock wrote:
magnum opus wrote:there has never been a soiled panty vending machine in america.
Nor has there been a decent shmup making company!

On the other hand, the U.S. of A. totally pwn the market for first-person shooters, flight sims, and real-time strategy.

hikarutilmitt · Post by **hikarutilmitt** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:16 am

Monkey_Man wrote:Three things:

1) A Cave hentai shump would be pretty cool.

2) I commend Japan for its open-mindedness towards sex, vs. our keeping it out of everything while completely ignoring the violence (that has much worse an effect than sex would).

3) I'd hit it.

Truer words were never spoken.

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:24 am

Dandy J wrote:Eight year olds, Dude. Eight year olds.

Not getting into this thread, but I have to warn ya......yer out of your league, Donny.

umi · Post by **umi** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:42 am

In America, sex is ordinary.
In Japan, sex is creative.

Take your pick, but it's all the same shit in the end :P