Keep in mind that's also just something Gabe said years ago when Steam was still getting started. The agreement says that they can but aren't obligated to.ZellSF wrote:This is the company people believe will honor their word to freely remove DRM from all their products if they ever close down.
They've given me no reason to doubt them and even if they don't make good on it, the minimal amount of money I've paid to play the games in my Steam Library makes me not care. Averaging the amount of money I've spent by the number of games in my library I'm out maybe $2.50 a game.ZellSF wrote:This is the company people believe will honor their word to freely remove DRM from all their products if they ever close down.
MX7 wrote:I'm not a fan of a racist, gun nut brony puking his odious and uninformed arguments over every thread that comes up.
Drum wrote:He's also a pederast. Presumably.
It is nothing like that. If a 360 craps out, one can buy a used one for cheep and be able to play all the copies of the games they bought. With DLC from steam, you basically rent the games and the company can decide when you can or cannot play themnjiska wrote:Oh god, another sensationalist Friendly thread. These are getting to be more annoying than Skykid threads.
Steam is the same as any other platform. If they change their agreement and I don't want to accept it, than it's no different than if my Xbox 360 up and dies. I still have the full library and own a license to those titles, I just can't play them because I can't use the platform.
No, it is exactly like that, you're just trying to add more variables. The matter is as simple as having platform access. If steams agreement changes, that is the same as a console breaking. You either agree to it (obtain a new console) or you don't (leave the console broken).xbl0x180 wrote:It is nothing like that. If a 360 craps out, one can buy a used one for cheep and be able to play all the copies of the games they bought.
MX7 wrote:I'm not a fan of a racist, gun nut brony puking his odious and uninformed arguments over every thread that comes up.
Drum wrote:He's also a pederast. Presumably.
It's somewhat academic for the court to say that an EULA can't stop you from reselling a game unless it also says that distribution platforms are required to provide a mechanism for reselling games. It's sort of like fair use in the face of DRM/encrypted media -- you're allowed to excerpt clips from a Blu-ray movie for comment or criticism, but the publishers and player vendors are also allowed to conspire to prevent you from actually doing it.njiska wrote:Step in right direction = http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012- ... aded-games
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Apparently you no longer have access to your previously purchased content if you don't accept the new eula.brokenhalo wrote:Maybe i'm missing something. The q&a in the first post looks like a poorly selected auto-reply on steams part to the question asked. Is it possible to not accept the new eula and still use your old content, or does your account get auto-deleted/disabled if you dont accept it?
I didn't add any "variables." I just demonstrated they are nothing like each other. If the console breaks, you can still play the games on other consoles; they're all 360 consoles, so they all play the same games. Nothing changes. If you don't agree with any future terms of service or changes from steam, then you have no access to the copies of the games you paid for under the old agreements... at all or until steam decides to give you access to themnjiska wrote:No, it is exactly like that, you're just trying to add more variables. The matter is as simple as having platform access. If steams agreement changes, that is the same as a console breaking. You either agree to it (obtain a new console) or you don't (leave the console broken).xbl0x180 wrote:It is nothing like that. If a 360 craps out, one can buy a used one for cheep and be able to play all the copies of the games they bought.
I can't find the relevant legalese for Valve or MS, but I bet they can deactivate games (assuming you're online for them to send the command). It's pretty standard practice for online distribution platforms to have a revocation mechanism in case there's a legal dispute or an application is found to contain malicious code. Google, Apple, and Amazon all have something like this.Op Intensify wrote:Valve and Microsoft can't just deactivate your Steam or XBLA games whenever they want.
RegalSin wrote:New PowerPuff Girls. They all have evil pornstart eyelashes.
So this is even worse than previously thought.1. If Steam decides to ban you from the service, they get to keep all of the money in your wallet (up to $2,000)
2. If you lose, get banned, or in any other way get denied access from one game you purchased in a bundle, they will take away ALL the games in the bundle from you.
3. You agree to ignore your own local laws (in terms of your interaction with Steam), and instead follow US law if you're not located in Europe. If you're in Europe, you still must ignore your own local law and abide by Luxenberg law.
4. You agree to never sue them (class action or individually), instead you agree to ONLY ever us arbitration.
5. You are only renting access to the games. You don't own them in any way, shape or form. If Steam goes under, you will never get access to the games you purchased.
6. If Steam decides to remove a game from it's library that you purchased, too bad. They don't owe you the game, you just lose all access to it.
7. Steam can ban you from the service for any reason they want.
Why is this bad?
Glad you asked! Let's say you decide to write up a critical blog post about Valve or Steam, and they read it and dislike it.
With this agreement, they can legally ban you from your account denying all access to their games, take and keep up to $2,000 in your steam wallet with no refund and then be completely immune from being sued due to the agreement you signed.
Many deluded themselves into believing it couldn't.mesh control wrote: I thought just about everyone knew this shit could happen already.
I'd love to see steam try and argue that in a european court. Pretty sure they'll have to fold like a cheap suit.Friendly wrote:3. You agree to ignore your own local laws (in terms of your interaction with Steam), and instead follow US law if you're not located in Europe. If you're in Europe, you still must ignore your own local law and abide by Luxenberg law.
