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 Post subject: Top 10 Console Exclusive Shmups of All Time - Results
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:01 pm 


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Number of entries: 40
Number of Unique games: 93
Game Voted for by more than 50% of people: 1 (Gradius Gaiden)

The system used was a weighted system giving 100 points to a #1 spot and 19 points to a #10 spot (declining linearly)

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Rank        Name              Points     Nb of Votes
1      Gradius Gaiden         1896          24
2      R-Type Delta           1378          19
3      Gradius V              1333          19
4      Thunder Force IV       1305          18
5      Recca                  967           13
6      Einhander              896           14
7      Nexzr                  840           12
8      Thunder Force III      785           11
9      Musha                  750           12
10     Super Aleste           723           12
11     Winds Of Thunder       640           10
12     Eschatos               612           9
13     Thunder Force V        584           8
14     Soldier Blade          575           8
15     Gunhed                 540           9
16     Gleylancer             496           10
17     Gun Nac                487           10
18     Harmful Park           439           7
19     Gate of Thunder        420           6
20     Slap Fight MD          411           6
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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 Console Exclusive Shmups of All Time - Results
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:01 pm 


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Results 21 to 50:
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21   Zanac Neo
22   R-Type III
23   Judgement Silversword
24   Axelay
25   Eliminate Down
26   Jikkyou Parodius
27   Super Star Soldier
28   Bio-Hazard Battle
29   Blade Buster
30   Thunder Force II
31   Spriggan
32   Darius Burst
33   Zanac
34   Sonic Wings Special
35   Macross Scrambled Valkyrie
36   Elemental Master
37   Cardinal Sins
38   Star Soldier
39   Power Strike 2
40   Super Fantasy Zone
41   Twinkle Star Sprites: La Petite Princess
42   Space Invaders Extreme 2
43   Beamrider
44   Bullet Soul
45   Sapphire
46   Strania
47   Air Zonk
48   Tempest 3000
49   Pop 'n Twinbee
50   R-type Final


Nb of Games voted for by more than 2 people: 55
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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 Console Exclusive Shmups of All Time - Results
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:02 pm 


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I tried a few weighting systems, but most linear weight systems produced similar results.

Interesting to see that Gradius V "only" got 3rd place, considering it is the game who fared the best in that specific category (console exclusive shmups) in most (all?) top25 votes.



Also, seeing the results, the most well known games seem to have had a real advantage over newer or less known titles, which is in part what I was trying to avoid with a more exclusive list like this one.
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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 Console Exclusive Shmups of All Time - Results
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:11 pm 


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Good list. Judgement Silversword would have deserved a higher spot on the list, but I suppose only few people have played it. At least Eschatos is up there.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 Console Exclusive Shmups of All Time - Results
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Zanac not in top 10?


>_>
I should have voted...
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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 Console Exclusive Shmups of All Time - Results
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I'm just gonna take a leap here, and say that I believe a good majority of people here simply haven't played Spriggan. It is more complicated to emulate(being a PCE CDgame), and it's not available on the Wii, other than in Japan.

Because that's the only thing that would explain it's absence in the top 20. Thunder Force V, huh?
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LOL, you made another thread just for this?
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You guys put together a pretty good list without my being around. Maybe I should escape again to ensure success in next year's polling. The top two places are games on my "to get" list!
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I'm just gonna take a leap here, and say that I believe a good majority of people here simply haven't played Spriggan. It is more complicated to emulate(being a PCE CDgame), and it's not available on the Wii, other than in Japan.

Spriggan is alright, but not at the level of some of the other titles listed here - even with the carnival modes.
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LOL, you made another thread just for this?

You've been around long enough that this shouldn't surprise you...


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You people should really be more specific when you mention Spriggin anyway. Seirei Senshi Spriggan is a cool game, but Spriggan Mark 2 for the SNES is a massive turd.
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Out of the ones I've played, I think Darius Burst deserves a better shake. It does look more like a list of what's easy to emulate rather than what're the all time bests, judging by the fact that I've played the vast majority of the top 20 and a little under half of 20-50.
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Why is Eliminate Down and R-Type III so low? D:
And did people seriously forget about the existence of Image Fight II? (granted, it's not the best sequel out there, but still...)
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Lots of Playstation kiddies who think Delta is better, sadly.
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I'm quite satisfied with the results, save the inexplicable presence of Darius Burst and Bullet Soul. Come on, chaps, those should probably only crack a top 100.

I like R-Type Delta: it has amazing production values, good enemies, and a diverse and balanced ship selection. But the level design is boring as shit and moves like a glacier. Sadly, Final inherited these traits. This is why I put R-Type III above it (although it has its own terrible first stage).


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And did people seriously forget about the existence of Image Fight II? (granted, it's not the best sequel out there, but still...)

With Power Strike 2 barely above rank 40, I would hope so.


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I guess it's about time I tried out Gradius Gaiden, being the top #1 and all.

Nice to see TF IV (close to being) at it's rightful place too.
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The Thunder Force games are so fucking overrated.


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Gus wrote:
Cave games are so fucking overrated.

Fixed. :wink:
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MathU wrote:
LOL, you made another thread just for this?

MathU wrote:
You people should really be more specific when you mention Spriggin anyway. Seirei Senshi Spriggan is a cool game, but Spriggan Mark 2 for the SNES is a massive turd.

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Lots of Playstation kiddies who think Delta is better, sadly.


Thanks for the lesson in arrogance. I would however suggest for the "kiddies" to look for a mentor other than you, given that you don't even know the difference between Spriggan Powered and Spriggan Mark 2.
Hard to believe, I know, but there are actually quite a few people here know their shmups and still think R-Type Delta is superior to III...
Feel free to create a thread about it (given that this is a forum where you are allowed to create threads).


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R-Type III has its good points, but there's waaaaay too much dead time. At least a solid five minutes of any playthrough is spent doing absolutely nothing.

Zanac was a computer game that was significantly altered and brought to the NES, then ported back to the MSX with some slight modifications as Zanac Ex. I wouldn't call it a console-exclusive shooter, in light of that, but it doesn't really matter.
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Lots of Playstation kiddies who think Delta is better, sadly.


"kiddies"? I would think for a game that came out....1999 or so....the players wouldn't be all that young.

But anyway, you were probably not being literal.

I'm surprised, however, that it made it so high. The PS1 graphics are rough, and I would have thought that would have hurt it. I think it's a great game, but I thought it's looks would hold it back. Guess not.

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R-Type III has its good points, but there's waaaaay too much dead time. At least a solid five minutes of any playthrough is spent doing absolutely nothing.


I think it's a great game, but it does have some dead time. I always thought it was because it was on the SNES, and it needed a little processor time. However, R-Type Final has WAY more dead time. Maybe they like building up to the action? :wink:
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I'm just stoked that Nexzr made it so high :D It seems like more people have discovered that one in recent years.
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MathU wrote:
You people should really be more specific when you mention Spriggin anyway. Seirei Senshi Spriggan is a cool game, but Spriggan Mark 2 for the SNES is a massive turd.


Spriggan Mark 2 was PCE CD. Wasn't the SNES one Spriggan Powered?

Edit: Just checked. The SNES one is Spriggan Powered. Not surprised that the SNES one probably sucks since Micronics designed it, rather than Compile. I heard Mark 2 PCE is decent, but not as good as the first. Interesting that it's one of the few hori games from Compile.


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Yup, Spriggan MK2 is not bad, once you get over the fact that it really has zero to do with Seirei Senshi Spriggan.
MK2 has lots of story and text in game, which you can turn off in order to play it like a regular shmup.


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I'm just stoked that Nexzr made it so high :D It seems like more people have discovered that one in recent years.

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You know, I never really played Nexzr. :oops:
I put it on my list solely based on what I saw when testing the game. It just seemed that amazing.
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Cave games are so fucking overrated.

Fixed. :wink:


You're both right; Thunder Force AND Cave are overrated. 8)

But yeah, R-Type III does have quite a bit of dead air. Stages 4 & 5 both have enough of it that you can let off two fully charged shots before something happens, but I don't think it's enough to hurt the game since 1 loop still just barely scratches 30 minutes total.
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evil_ash_xero wrote:
I'm just gonna take a leap here, and say that I believe a good majority of people here simply haven't played Spriggan. It is more complicated to emulate(being a PCE CDgame), and it's not available on the Wii, other than in Japan.

Because that's the only thing that would explain it's absence in the top 20. Thunder Force V, huh?


I can tell you it wasn't on my list just because I felt like it was *too* cruise 'em uppy. It's not bad, but I really ruined the game for myself by discovering these two unstoppable weapon combos (and once you discover them, you can't undiscover them!). Space Megaforce ended up being my token Compile shooter.

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Also, seeing the results, the most well known games seem to have had a real advantage over newer or less known titles, which is in part what I was trying to avoid with a more exclusive list like this one.


Hmm I dunno. Well, I guess it depends how well-known is defined in this specialized corner of the internet! Recca, Gun Nac, Harmful Park, Slap Fight MD, and even Nexzr would be pretty unknown in most gaming communities. It's interesting to me that Thunderforce 4 turned out to be the preferred one since my impression has been that TF3 has the nostalgia advantage for more people. Some really well-known ones like Axelay and R-Type 3 wound up falling off.

For those of you who picked Super Fantasy Zone, I think you need to give Fantasy Zone 2 on SMS another try!
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It's pretty cool that for once (the much superior) Thunder Force IV ranks higher than III.


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Out of the ones I've played, I think Darius Burst deserves a better shake. It does look more like a list of what's easy to emulate rather than what're the all time bests, judging by the fact that I've played the vast majority of the top 20 and a little under half of 20-50.


That's unfair!

From my list, Recca and Soldier Blade are the only games I only played emulated. Everything else I played on the real thing :D
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Shocked that Gun Nac is in the top 20. Really? Ahead of Zanac? I should have voted... :?
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