Same! Same! Same! (Fire Shark)

[Despatche]

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3 lives, extends at 70K and every 200K, invulnerability off of course, and Medium difficulty. Interestingly, all versions appear to have the same dipswitch settings. Most Toaplan games try to have at least different (lower) extend settings for non-Japanese versions.

-Arcade: First you have Same! Same! Same! 1P, is a totally different game and much harder than any other version. Then you have Same! Same! Same! 2P, which Fire Shark is a slightly harder version of. Finally, you have the Dooyong's "easy" and "hard" versions based on SSS 2P. The 2P arcade versions are split by player side.
-Mega Drive: Like many of the Toaplan ports, the Japanese version is slightly harder, and all carts have both versions of gameplay.

You can get trap15's "New Ver!" hack here.
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VERSION - PLAYER SIDE
NAME - SCORE - AREA - AUTOFIRE - DETAILS

DETAILS is for what console/emulator, what region release, etc; SSS has different physical ROMs for each cart, and it's unknown if there are any differences between them.
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Arcade versions
Same! Same! Same! 1P version

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1.  Jaimers           -   3,583,190  - 02-05-04 - Yes - MAME v0.216b
2.  ZPS               -   3,414,500  - 02-01-10 - Yes - PS4
3.  NMS               -   2,896,560  - 02-01-10 - Yes - MAME v0.238
4.  maximo            -   2,892,430  - 02-01-09 - Yes - ARCADE v0.239 
5.  OmKol             -   2,733,690  - 02-01-10 - Yes - Switch
6.  saucykobold       -   1,686,100  - 01-07-08 - Yes - MAME
7.  trap15            -   1,242,290  - 01-08-01 - Yes - PCB
8.  Steven            -   1,223,310  - 01-08-01 - Yes - PS5
9.  Square_Air        -   1,001,290  - 01-06-09 - Yes - ShmupMAME v4.2
10. CRI               -     868,630  - 01-06-03 - Yes - GroovyMAME
11. Prales            -     829,860  - 01-05-07 - Yes - ShmupMAME v4.2
12. Aquas             -     628,580  - 01-06-07 - Yes - MAME
13. drb               -     443,450  - 01-04-09 - ??  - PCB 
14. Despatche         -     428,040  - 01-03-10 - Yes - ShmupMAME v3.0b

Same! Same! Same! 2P version

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=1P side=
1.  ZPS               -  10,198,430  - 03-10-02 - Yes - ShmupMAME v4.2
2.  NMS               -   3,719,930  - 02-04-01 - Yes - ShmupMAME v4.2
3.  Steven            -   3,679,450  - 02-02-00 - Yes - Switch
4.  Domino            -   2,598,340  - 02-02-01 - Yes - ShmupMAME v4.? {Unconfirmed side}

=2P side=
1.  ZPS               -  14,102,570  - 04-01-02 - Yes - ShmupMAME v4.2
2.  Prales            -   8,125,460  - 03-02-08 - Yes - ShmupMAME v4.2
3.  Steven            -   4,343,100  - 02-04-10 - Yes - PS5
4.  Flobeamer1922     -   3,742,210  - 02-03-02 - Yes - WolfMAME v0.216

Fire Shark

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=1P side=
1.  Mills             - 100,000,000+ - 11-05-?? - ??  - PCB {Unconfirmed side}
2.  Stanski           -  60,980,890  - 1?-08-?? - ??  - PCB {Unconfirmed side}
3.  DEL               -  25,000,000+ - ??-??-?? - ??  - PCB {Unconfirmed side}
4.  Steven            -   4,407,650  - 02-06-09 - Yes - PS5
5.  maximo            -   3,072,340  - 02-02-01 - Yes - ARCADE v0.195
6.  mulletgeezer      -   3,045,990  - 01-01-?? - ??  - PCB {Unconfirmed side}
7.  Baron Rojo        -   3,003,880  - ??-??-?? - No  - ShmupMAME v4.2 {Unconfirmed side}
8.  Steven            -   1,970,600  - 01-10-03 - No  - PS5
9.  CIT               -   1'661'310  - 01-09-09 - Yes - PCB
10. saucykobold       -   1,351,950  - 01-08-03 - Yes - MAME {Unconfirmed side}
11. SAM               -   1,341,030  - 01-08-06 - ??  - PCB {Unconfirmed side}
12. JEP               -     899,920  - 01-07-09 - Yes - PCB (May be SSS 2P)
13. Ed Oscuro         -     463,260  - 01-03-09 - ??  - MAME

=2P side=
1.  KoopaTGR          -   1,388,500  - 01-09-09 - Yes - MAME

Same! Same! Same! New Ver!

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1.  maximo            -   3,083,460  - 02-03-04 - Yes - ARCADE v0.239 
2.  Shepardus         -     701,240  - 01-05-04 - --- - MAME v0.185
3.  trap15            -     441,970  - 01-04-09 - --- - MAME

Mega Drive versions
Same! Same! Same!
Easy difficulty

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1.  THE ALLETT        -  14,239,960  - 25 - Off  - JP cart+JP MD
2.  Fireshark         -  11,772,750  - 30 - On  - ??
3.  PlasmaBlooD       -  10,808,370  - 30 - On  - EU cart+JP MD (!)
4.  CIT               -   6,970,850  - 21 - On  - ??
5.  Despatche         -   5,420,260  - 13 - On  - Kega Fusion v3.64 (JP cart+JP MD)
6.  drboom            -   4,487,740  - 18 - Off  - ??
7.  Angry Hina        -   2.890.310  - 11 - On  - Browser emulator (JP cart+JP MD)
8.  SAM               -   2,281,490  - 10 - On  - ??
9.  BrianC            -   2,068,950  - 09 - Off  - US cart+JP MD

Normal difficulty

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1.  Blo               -   7,931,710  - 23 - On  - JP cart+JP MD
2.  THE ALLETT        -   4,366,960  - 14 - Off - JP cart+JP MD
3.  Steven            -   4,061,460  - 11 - On  - PS5
4.  CRI               -   3,665,990  - 11 - On  - Kega Fusion v3.64 (JP MD)
5.  UGO               -   3,501,610  - 17 - On  - Unknown
6.  maximo            -   2,969,620  - 11 - On  - Kega Fusion v3.64 (US cart+JP MD?)
7.  SAM               -   2,668,650  - 10 - On  - ??
8.  zoydo             -   1.162.730  - 07 - On  - EU cart+JP MD
9.  Sengoku Striker   -   1 138 320  - 09 - On  - JP cart+JP MD

Hard difficulty

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1.  mycophobia        -   6,266,020  - 21 - Yes - Everdrive (JP ROM)+Genesis

Fire Shark
Easy difficulty

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1.  Fireshark         -  17,210,260  - 31 - On  - EU MD@60Hz
2.  incognoscente     -   7,889,160  - 19 - On  - ??
3.  Dunpeal2064       -   5,380,350  - 20 - On  - US cart+Genesis
4.  sjewkestheloon    -   5,051,750  - 16 - On  - ??
5.  Super X Gamma     -   4,309,870  - 12 - On  - ??
6.  it290             -   3,752,380  - 11 - On  - ??
7.  szycag            -   3,347,000  - 12 - On  - ??
8.  MTH               -   3,325,440  - 11 - On  - ??
9.  Ed Oscuro         -   3,266,920  - 10 - Off  - ??
10. Andi              -   3,233,790  - 17 - On  - ??
11. Despatche         -   3,145,010  - 09 - On  - US dump+Kega Fusion
12. elbarto           -   3,124,000  - 14 - On  - ??
13. maximo            -   2,957,380  - 12 - On  - US dump+Kega Fusion v3.64
14. Sonic R           -   1,826,950  - 10 - On  - ??
15. JoshF             -   1,242,160  - 08 - On  - ??
16. Bloodreign        -     977,760  - 08 - On  - US cart+Genesis

Normal difficulty

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1.  bottino           -   7 500 540  - 23 - On  - Genesis 1
2.  Kollision         -   5,352,760  - 16 - On  - US cart+Gen-SCD-32X
3.  andsuchisdeath    -   4,280,370  - 13 - On  - US cart+Genesis
4.  Geekman1222       -   4,279,580  - 17 - On  - US cart+Genesis
5.  maximo            -   3,806,110  - 14 - On  - US dump+Kega Fusion v3.64
6.  Chempop           -   3,165,090  - 12 - Off  - Genesis
7.  UGO               -   2,672,290  - 12 - On  - Unknown
8.  RFP               -   2,377,340  - 10 - On  - ??
9.  Michaelm          -   2,224,900  - 08 - On  - ??
10. sjewkestheloon    -   1,858,350  - 09 - On  - ??
11. Ayanami           -   1,854,800  - 08 - On  - ??
12. Bloodreign        -   1,727,130  - 08 - On  - US cart+Genesis
13. chum              -   1,509,110  - 08 - On  - Kega Fusion
14. elbarto           -   1,364,280  - 08 - On  - ??
15. Ed Oscuro         -   1,162,540  - 07 - Off  - ??
16. raiden            -   1,157,370  - 08 - ?   - ??
17. bVork             -   1,063,950  - 07 - On  - ??

Hard difficulty

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1.  TheSoulScream     -  15,420,430  - 41 - ??  - Genesis

[saucykobold]

Same! Same! Same! 1P version
saucykobold - 505,620 - 04-05 - YES - MAME

This version is glorious. It's also stupendously difficult, holy mackerel. I was side-sniped shortly after I got the 16-way.

Do you have a link for ThunderMAME and the sound sample?

Toaplan sound samples are here, emulator's here. You specifically want ThunderMAME32+ (tmamep.7z); I don't think the other builds will recognize the samples.

(mod edit - link to samples removed, sorry but no direct links to copyrighted material)

[Ruldra]

Thanks man! Looking forward to play the arcade version with sound.

[Aquas]

Same! Same! Same! 1P version
Aquas - 628,580 - 01-06-07 - YES - MAME

First run where I got the fully powered up spread shot, that was pretty amazing but the rank went nuts. Went on to recover, beating the st. 5 boss with a level 2 Fire Weapon. That was epic: having to sweep the screen side to side to clear the popcorn, while weaving between the intermittent shots of the bosses cannon in the center. Wow!



Also a note: When the large mid-sized planes rush down, shooting their hefty bursts. It seems one of these planes will contain a 1up. I don't know if it's you have to destroy 1 first, or if it's a specific plane. But the 1up is among them. They come at 2 points during the first five stages, possibly gaining you 2 extra lives.

[saucykobold]

Same! Same! Same! 1P version
saucykobold - 708,510 - 01-05-07 - YES - MAME

[Aquas]

Same! Same! Same! 1P version
saucykobold - 708,510 - 01-05-07 - YES - MAME

Bad saucykobold, bad! I didn't want to return to this hellishly difficult game... but you might make me! Nice score.

[saucykobold]

Ha, thanks. Hellishly difficult is right--I recently save-stated to the latter half of the first loop and was kinda shocked at how hard the game gets. The city stage is brutal.

[Aquas]

Yes it's no fucking joke! Haha.

[DEL]

I've only played Same Same Same once. What are the differences between it and Fire Shark? Is it the checkpoint thing?

[saucykobold]

Fire Shark is easier in a couple ways. The popcorn count is lower, enemies shoot less often, bullets are a little slower, and some boss attack patterns are toned down. The Japanese version compensates somewhat for its harder difficulty by letting you have more spread bullets on-screen at once.

Edit: In Fire Shark, the entire playfield is always visible à la Strikers. Same! Same! Same! has Raiden-esque horizontal scrolling, so getting corner-sniped is a real threat.

Fire Shark AC
saucykobold - 1,351,950 - 01-08-03 - YES - MAME



The city stage is pretty tough in both releases.

[DEL]

Thanks for the reply saucykobold.
The bullet speed is going to be negligible as it speeds up on each loop on Fire Shark, but I agree that the other points you mention are going to make Same! Same! Same! a little harder.
Once you work out how to get through the last 3 stages though, multi-looping should still be possible.

[Fireshark]

I played the Euro Version (Fireshark) on the Mega Drive again and did a new highscore. I recorded a video as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OSDo6rkgbA

Fireshark - 17,210,260 - 04-01 - ON

[Plasmo]

World Record

Haha. No.

[Fireshark]

I meant no disrespect but I did not find any scoreboards with higher score online.

[Despatche]

Same! Same! Same! for Mega Drivers - Easy difficulty
Despatche - 4,247,290 - 02-03 - ON - Kega Fusion 3.64

argh final stage

[Despatche]

Fire Shark for Genesis - Easy difficulty
Despatche - 3,145,010 - 01-09 - ON - Kega Fusion 3.64

Yet again, I wonder if there really are any regional differences. Finally got over stage 7 and then some shitty turret in stage 9 ruins everything.

[Bloodreign]

From what I've noticed, ships fire a little more in the Japanese version, tested on a US cart with region changing code from long ago. Other than that, not much else.

[chum]

Fire Shark MD (Normal Difficulty)
chum - 1,509,110 - 01-08 - ON - Kega Fusion

[Bloodreign]

I never did put what system I got my two high scores on, both on a real Genesis.

[the allett]

Same! Same! Same!(EASY)
THE ALLETT - 10,187,350 - 03-08 - OFF -jap md+cart

Same! Same! Same! (NORMAL)
THE ALLETT - 4,366,960 - 02-04 - OFF -jap md+cart

[Mills]

Decent replay of japanese version.
Part-1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4W5wZJJ ... er&list=UL
Part-2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDCeVzU7 ... re=related

[the allett]

Same! Same! Same!(EASY)
THE ALLETT - 14,239,960 - 03-05 - OFF -jap md+cart

[drboom]

Same! Same! Same! 1 player pcb
drb - 443,450 - 04-09 - pcb



Set this a while back on a borrowed 1p Same! pcb. Awesome version. Now I just need to find one of these pcb's for myself!

**oh, and no autofire**

[Kollision]

Fire Shark, Mega Drive NORMAL

Kollision - 5,352,760 - 2-6 - ON - Super Battleship Formation + US cart




Super Battleship Formation = Genesis model 1 + Sega CD model 2 + 32X

[jepjepjep]

I had a good run after switching from the 1P version to the 2P version. Same!Same!Same! is just too tough for me.

Fire Shark (arcade)

JEP - 899,920 - 01-07-09 - YES - PCB

[trap15]

Same!Same!Same! (Arcade)
trap15 - 314,080 - 01-03-08 - YES - MAME

<3 it

[Jaimers]

Same! Same! Same! 1P version
Jaimers - 995,930 - 01-06-09 - YES - MAME

This game is silly.

No-miss first four stages and then I flailed the rest because I didn't practice anything after that.
Checkpoints are dumb.

[CIT]

Just got this game. Opening gambit:

Fire Shark (Arcade)
CIT - 1'661'310 - 01-09-09 - YES - PCB



Damn name entry is always stuck on "AA_" with my PCB, anybody know what's up with that?

[jpj]

because the autofire button?

[CIT]

That's not it, I took out the autofire-PCB and it's the same. Oddly the 2P side doesn't have this issue.