Bravo, brentsg + bawwww MR_Sorenbrentsg wrote:The differences in the USA version are much more significant than those between the Japanese port and the PCBs. Sure, an additional layer of scores could be added to the table.. but the high score tables are maintained by volunteers that we're lucky to have. They are providing a service, and frankly it's a pain in the ass. If the person that maintains that particular board doesn't want to take on the USA version on top, then it is what it is.MR_Soren wrote:If people want to disadvantage themselves by playing the US version, I don't see it as a valid reason to block them from posting. The games have the same scoring potential, and we're talking about a scoreboard that mixes J360 and PCB scores even though it's been widely acknowledged that the slowdown isn't identical there either. Instead of a valid reason to prohibit scores, I see it instead as a childish attempt by elitists to punish Cave/Aksys for the change, but it really just results in them being jerks to people who buy the US game. "You! You're not cool enough for OUR board. Go sit over there by yourself!" Killed any interest I had in signing up.
I know, time for the "good, we don't want you there anyway" post. Ha ha, good times.
I'm sorry that you see it as childish or whatever. It's not possible to please everyone.
I'm really becoming annoyed with all the "elitist" bullshittery, though. Not only is it bullshit, but what would you rather? That everyone were "shittist"? Take a big step back and look at this genre for what it is. It is a challenging genre of pushing yourself for higher gains. Sure, Compile games on PCE are just about sitting at the bottom of the screen with weapon II/IV fully powered up and bombing through the hard parts for "fun". But all of the popular games here are designed to challenge the player.
Let's take a quick moment to clarify what most of the "anti-elitists" appear to perceive "fun" as. When they say they "play games for fun", I think, "Well great! So do I! Maybe they'll want to learn to play with me!" However, when you start talking about actually...playing...the game...they just say again, "I just play games for fun, what's with you and your maths minigames :(" Alternatively, you see them talking about how they think the scoring is really cool, but then they don't actually learn how to score. 1/20 (or 1/100, 1/1000, it all depends on the scoring system, I guess) of a possible max score is not exactly playing a game for score. "Scoring" seems to have such an impact on the opinions of games around here, when nobody actually plays for score (and "nobody" is obviously hyperbole here, I know there's a nice little scoring community...emphasis on little).
So, perhaps, when they're playing for "fun", they're playing the same way they'd play a JRPG or a movie. Just chillin', takin' in the sights, etc. Except that's fucking retarded, because these games are only 20 minutes long. I expect people to get up in arms over this comment, but it's true.
HOWEVER, I think it's okay for you guys to do whatever you want. Play the games, do well or don't, it's fine. If you enjoy it, do what pleases you.
Now, why on fucking earth would you criticize players who enjoy actively destroying these games when they treat them properly in a competitive sense?
It is perfectly sensible to have a separate table for US scores.
And now for some more stuff that bothers me :)
Quit saying stupid shit like, "Oh, Game X and Feat X are insanely hard, nobody could ever do that, wow, holy crap, I'll never be able to do that in a year, those guys are insane, you should play easy games instead, etc, etc!"
That is bullshit. If new players see things like that, often they'll just fuck around and never become any good because they don't think they can. Almost anybody here can get good at almost any game. And by "good", I mean, like, 50%-80%/90% of the max score of most games. Would it take time? Of course. But look at this forum! It's been around for 10 years or more! Lots of you guys have "favorite games". If you took the time to get good at one single game, your skill level would increase so much that you'd look back on the way you used to play and smile. You'll get better at other games far faster, you'll have a lot more fun with it, and you'll just understand the shit better.
And now for some funny shit
You know how most of the people who play for "fun" talk about how playing only one credit is for manly men and credit-feeding is retarded? Hint: Now that you guys understand playing on one credit, you would benefit greatly from credit-feeding to the end every game. You will learn the entire game!. Wild concept, I know.
Say you want to learn how to play a piece of music or construct a bridge. With your current approach (you all know who you are, whether I do or not), you would learn the basics of pressing keys or laying bricks or riveting steel, then keep spamming attempts like a fool until you heard or saw something that sounded kinda cool. Then you'd come and post here.
I have a hint for you. Learn to play your piano piece the entire way through before you try the entire thing and restart. Plan out your fucking bridge before you try building it.
Your one-credit attempts should be far out-numbered by your education. You are not Japanese. You do not play in an arcade. You do not watch other people play every week to learn the game. You do not have comprehensible access to multitudes of Japanese replays to watch. You are trying to fill an olympic swimming pool with a fucking squirt gun. It doesn't have to be that way.
Does this apply only to pseudo-scorers or low-skill players who want to play for score but never seem to get better, as opposed to guys who just like bruteforcing for survival? Maybe.
Now it's time for a story.
Guess what. I used to be extremely shitty at shooting games. I was no good, and I didn't think, I KNEW that I could never be as good as pro replayers. I kept reading gamefaqs and shmups forum and drowning in kuso. One day I must have talked to someone, or read something, or just gotten sick of being shitty, or just accumulated enough dumb-skill that I realized I could get a lot better a lot faster if I just fucking gave it a shot using my brain instead of sitting there in a stupor in front of my screen.
Guess what, you CAN be as good as pro replayers to a point. That's a fact. Try moving your hands as quickly as you've ever seen a ship in a replay move. If you can do it, congratulations! You can be good at the shooting game. Is everybody going to be able to NMNB DOJ/DFK Hibachi? Prols not, no. They're really fast and really bullshit. But the pros, for the most part, can't do it either. If you admit that it's impossible for you to create a plan to achieve your target score, or your target clear, all you're doing is admitting your own lack of intelligence. Your own defeat. Everybody here talks pretty big shit for a bunch of stupid people, which I don't think you are :) So quit acting like it.
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