Umehara Daigo beaten in questionable finals shocker

[Skykid]

So we were all thinking something just wasn't quite right when Daigo went out in the semi final stage to Ryan Hart last night (this is in London at Super vs Battle by the way.)

He played as Cammy first, an unexpected counter to Ryan's Ryu - but after winning the first round, literally threw the second away on purpose. He just gave up and let Ryan finish him. He then lost the final round and played Ryu vs Ryu - and you've never seen Daigo miss so many combo connects, and we're talking simple stuff.

The thing is, the guy's a machine. If he starts a combo, he always finishes. We watched him play 47 wins straight on Friday in the casuals and he was unflinching. He never had one slip up, and he actually wiped the floor with Ryan several times.

Anyway, something wasn't right on the air after that match, you could feel it. There were several blunders throughout, including Daigo asking the TV to be fixed in an earlier match as the channel display was permanently on the screen (distracting), and god forbid, we all watched in horror when the 360 was switched to PAL 50 hertz mode. Whether this affected his game, dunno, but it all felt a little odd when the guy went out. Strange things are afoot at the circle D.

An amazing Rose player took first place though (which made up for it) and I got Daigo to sign my JP xbox 360, so it's all good.

[Lordstar]

Yeah i heard the even was being run by idiots. Daigo is an arcade player machines are all the same tvs are all the same. Its NE who runs this right? You would think that after doing this year aftyer year they would know what there doing by now. Seems like the same mistakes are being made over and over again.

[Lordstar]

I heard that rose player was showing some mad skills.

They still recording that event on over the sholder cam corders or they actually figured out to use a video card yet?

[brokenhalo]

i just watched the replay on youtube and if i had to guess it was a laggy tv. all the combos that he dropped were 1-frame links.

but that still doesn't explain round 2 of the cammy fight....strange.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v-zfL-b ... ure=search

[speedlolita]

i just watched the replay on youtube and if i had to guess it was a laggy tv. all the combos that he dropped were 1-frame links.

but that still doesn't explain round 2 of the cammy fight....strange.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v-zfL-b ... ure=search

Laggy TV, fuck that shit.

[JoshF]

God, those matches are boring even for SF4. I like when Daigo got thrown from 2-3 dashes out.

[Skykid]

Okay, so firstly it's not about ragging on the NeoEmpire guys. I have a lot of respect for the events they put on, especially the way they really bring the community out of their bedrooms and into a place where everyone can hang out. True, some of the technical stuff is lacking and I would have thought they would (by this point) be better at forward planning, but it was well worth every penny of the £15 entry fee to see all the guys, watch some awesome tourney finals and get to shake hands with Daigo and try my best Japanese greeting on him.

But, 50 hertz SF4 is inexcusable - we were all a little dumbstruck when the switch was made. The thing is, it could have been the reason Daigo dropped his combo connects, but at the same time he came back to take third place in the losers bracket by whitewashing and perfecting a very respectable Dhalsim player who managed an upset by taking out one of the tournaments top players in an earlier match. We couldn't figure out why he played so well there, but so poorly against Ryan.

[D]

50 hz?
Wait, what year am I in?
Since the ps3 everything is 60 hz for everzone, everywhere. what the hell happened here then?
*confused*
xbox set to 50 hz? there is an option to put it to 50hz? why? if the composite cable is plugged in it should be in 50hz. anything else should be 60 hz. 50 hz for arcade games is ridiculous. If Daigo never sets foot in Europe again I will support him in that decision.

[Dave_K.]

Huh? Were they playing on old tube televisions with composite or antenna hookups? Why no HD resolution with LCDs?

[Skykid]

Huh? Were they playing on old tube televisions with composite or antenna hookups? Why no HD resolution with LCDs?

They were playing through a CRT and struggling to make both the TV and the projection work together for some reason. Not sure of the details, but we were pretty sure it went from PAL 60 to PAL 50 to fix the issue.

Does anyone know if PAL 50 introduces lag (surely SFIV and most modern games are optimised?) It looked fast enough, and to be honest no-one else seemed to be having an issue.

Perhaps Daigo just doesn't feel comfortable playing Ryan Hart?

[E. Randy Dupre]

I wouldn't have thought that any modern 360 games aer optimised for 50Hz - I can't see why Capcom would think it necessary nowadays.

50 hz?
Wait, what year am I in?
Since the ps3 everything is 60 hz for everzone, everywhere. what the hell happened here then?
*confused*
xbox set to 50 hz? there is an option to put it to 50hz? why?

PAL 360s are set at 50Hz as default - well, they were when the machine originally came out, I'm not sure if that's still the case now. Not everybody has an HDTV and not everybody, believe it or not, has a television that can display a 60Hz signal. Not everybody is interested in this stuff and certainly not everybody who owns a 360. Or a PS3, or whatever.

Anyway, having the option to switch the 360 back to 50Hz is useful for people who want to play Halo on the thing, given that PAL Halo runs better in 50 than 60.

[Khan]

hah Ryan hart I remember that name, he was a good tekken player I remember seeing on gamesmaster :p

a chinese friend of his went to the same college as me and I beat his ass at Tekken 3 really badly lol I think the final score was something along the lines of 25-3 to me lol I remember him saying I could easily at that time give ryan a hard time but that was his opinion although I would have been up for it

according to the chinese friend he was one of the few people around who knew about Air SDM's in KOF95 before others found out.

[Jockel]

So "lol" is used for punctuation now? I've got to keep up lol

[D]

I wouldn't have thought that any modern 360 games aer optimised for 50Hz - I can't see why Capcom would think it necessary nowadays.

50 hz?
Wait, what year am I in?
Since the ps3 everything is 60 hz for everzone, everywhere. what the hell happened here then?
*confused*
xbox set to 50 hz? there is an option to put it to 50hz? why?

PAL 360s are set at 50Hz as default - well, they were when the machine originally came out, I'm not sure if that's still the case now. Not everybody has an HDTV and not everybody, believe it or not, has a television that can display a 60Hz signal. Not everybody is interested in this stuff and certainly not everybody who owns a 360. Or a PS3, or whatever.

Anyway, having the option to switch the 360 back to 50Hz is useful for people who want to play Halo on the thing, given that PAL Halo runs better in 50 than 60.

This was my point:
if a composite cable is plugged in it should be in 50hz. anything else plugged in should be 60 hz.
Design flaw!
and the discussion about optimized? 50 hz means max 50 fps. 60 Hz means max 60 fps. I can understand that a beast like Daigo felt the game played different. Us mortals would probably not feel the difference.
So the projector could not handle 60 hz? OK.
Daigo should have pauzed the game and demand it to be set to 60hz, but he is probably too kind and too humble to pull a stunt like that. Ryan did not win. He got cheated into winning. blech!

[Lordstar]

its to my understabnding that the projector is for display use only and the player themselves sit a couple of feet away from TVs which have little to no lag. I dunno though i was not there. The people who run SVB have such a mikey mouse set. Every year i hear something about loose wired dodgey screens and input lag. Maybe its just player bitching becuase the world would implode if it was thought that some of these players are capable of loosing a match.

[Skykid]

For the record:


Daigo wasn't so humble he wouldn't stop a match. He asked the CRT to be swapped after the first game as the SVB guys couldn't get the channel indicator off of the top right of the screen.

The machine was switched to 50hz.

It didn't seem to affect the speed of the game at all.

If input lag existed, Daigo was the only one suffering - everybody else seemed unflinching.

On review of the match, I sat with a friend who was there on the day and we analysed it, and we reckon Daigo just lost his game. Some of the combos it is possible to miss perhaps (although unlikely for 'normal' Daigo play) but that Ryu standing forward punch one is almost basic to connect another hit. Something was on his mind. Daigo and Ryan have met several times before, perhaps there's some history there.

[E. Randy Dupre]

This was my point:
if a composite cable is plugged in it should be in 50hz. anything else plugged in should be 60 hz.
Design flaw!

Why's that a design flaw? The machine is backwards compatible and one of the most important BC games doesn't run properly in 60Hz. Therefore, the ability to switch the machine to 50Hz if you want to play that game, regardless of what cables are plugged into the back of it, is essential.

[Udderdude]

Interview with Ryan Hart: http://shoryuken.com/content/2nd-place- ... view-1529/

[Ed Oscuro]

Ahahah, that makes my day. JAPAN VERSUS ALL COMERS

[Khan]

gotta admit in the interview he comes across as a right cunt

[Udderdude]

50Hz should be enough for anyone.

:3

[Lordstar]

gotta admit in the interview he comes across as a right cunt

LOL! he may get more invites to tournys if he keeps it up that way. I recall seing a video of him and to me he had no pressence even though back then i thought he was better than that american guy. . . . shit i forget his name.

Anyway Ryan was/is as dull as dish water in person but when he is playing he is vicious. Its getting to a point where having character out side of a match is just as markatable if not more so than an actual good player.

[D]

OK, as to the difference between 50hz and 60hz
That means 50 fps against 60 fps.
the game is offcourse optimized to run at the same speed on 50 hz, that is not the issue here.
But it means that you can not do as much in 50fps as you could in 60 fps.
I know this is getting anal, but bear with me for a minute.
Let´s say there is a planet somewhere wehre the tv´s can only process 1 fps.
They would fly Daigo to that planet.
They would put their system on 1fps, still runs the same speed.
Will Daigo win? No, he will be punished.
I can understand that a tiny adjustment will affect a beast like Daigo. He did not lose.
This was not a 50hz contest. If it was, and he had entered then, only then he would have lost.

[Ed Oscuro]

But isn't it a bit of a stretch to say that all the other players wouldn't have performed that badly? How many Americans or even European top-tier players play at 50 Hz these days? Other than that, what you say makes sense - it was something "alien" to Daigo's playing routine to have a 50 Hz setup to deal with, and it never should have been introduced into the mix.

[nash87]

gotta admit in the interview he comes across as a right cunt

reminds me of Valle, just british. so yeah, total cunt, just with a different accent coming out of those lips, heh

[Cthulhu]

Questionableness aside I'd like to see the 'mad skills' Rose player. I'm nowhere near 'real' tournament quality skill-wise, but I do pretty well when playing friends locally. I like to play the oft-neglected characters and she fits that mold nicely.

[Skykid]

gotta admit in the interview he comes across as a right cunt

I didn't think so really. Just said what was on his mind.

He does do this shiz for a living practically so he definitely takes it seriously - beating Daigo at tourney level is good for the guy's career.

[Udderdude]

Questionableness aside I'd like to see the 'mad skills' Rose player.

Luffy is very good, you can prob. find some vids of him on youtube.