What makes Seimetsu better than Sanwa?

[LuckyDay]

I dunno what to think of that site; it seems to get auto-linked to any thread on joysticks... And I'm convinced it's a collection of forum posts, designed to confuse the internet! ;P

I don't know, I haven't seen any bad information on there. It's a pretty good resource. I like it especially for layouts and templates.

The chart may have been linked to before, I didn't see it.

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So, any suggestions for the best places to buy these sticks?

[LuckyDay]

JLFs are facing a pretty big shortage right now with the release of SFIV.

In the U.S.:

lizardlick.com
Akihabarashop.jp

If you're in the UK:

http://www.gremlinsolutions.co.uk/

And there are others in Europe I'm sure, but someone else will have to help you with that.

But be warned, you're not getting anything for the next month or so. The SFIV rush has killed everyone's supply (especially Sanwa), and places are getting caught up.

Also know a guy who is selling some of his extra JLF stock here (but no mounting plate, which you can get various other places):

http://gamingnow.net/OrderForm.aspx

[j^aws]

I dunno what to think of that site; it seems to get auto-linked to any thread on joysticks... And I'm convinced it's a collection of forum posts, designed to confuse the internet! ;P

I don't know, I haven't seen any bad information on there. It's a pretty good resource. I like it especially for layouts and templates.

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Well, if there was any bad information, stealth edits can erase them away! ;P

Just skimming the first couple of pages; some choice quotes from ""The Joystick Vs The Control Pad":

[...] In fact, when you think about it, the joystick is like a mouse restricted to a small, resetting area.[...]

The "Control Pad" (aka D-pad) is actually more like a 'joystick' when you think aboout it, with a very short handle... It uses an array of 4 switches to register 8-way digital inputs, with a thumb controlled actuator...

[...]
There are many games that will be best using a joystick, there are many games that will be best using a mouse and keyboard, but there are few games that will be best using a control pad.[...]

The control pad (D-pad) usually uses 'conductive rubber domes' for their switching technology to register digital inputs. And a well designed D-pad (Saturn) that uses these switches, has some of the the fastest switching (with no inherent mechanical lag from snap-action microswitches), *and* with tactile feedback...

What does this mean? Any game that benefits from ultra-fast-return-to-neutral, e.g. shoot-em-ups...

And alot of the technical jargon, modifications and definitions that are used on the site to promote joysticks, can also be applied to D-pads, analogue sticks (digital mode) and even keyboards...

@LuckyDay:

I wouldn't call this "bad information", but skimming that page (and the rest of the site with so called technical info), the guy/gal doesn't realise the irony: The D-pad is a specialised form of the 'joystick'...

[Kanin]

Thanks guys!

I was wondering whether the lack of precision on my ship was my joystick or just human error, and it seems it was the former (and little of the latter but shhh ). I tried out an LS32 and it was a LOT better. Unlike my Sanwa where the ship would go farther to the left/right than I wanted it to, the Seimetsu was much more accurate and a LOT easier to make very short movements with.

Unfortunately I don't think the LS32 fits inside my current joystick

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w242 ... 000022.jpg

The mounting plates need removing first of all and the LS32 doesn't have the holes at the top or bottom for me to screw it in

[yojo!]

Damocles swears by the Ultimarc Mag Stick. It suppose to have a tight return and a very short throw compared to Happ, Sanwa and Seimitsu. Im thinking of getting one soon to find out.

http://www.ultimarc.com/controls.html

I just bought a MagStick plus and installed it; this stick is unbelievable ! really short throw and built like a tank !. I have both Sanwa and Seimitsu and the mag-stick really feels better.

[Crhis]

Are the differences between Sanwa and Seimitsu buttons negligible, or are Seimitsu buttons also preferred for shmups?

[croikle]

Sanwa buttons are very sensitive, and you can't really rest your fingers on them without them activating. Seimitsu buttons are less sensitive.

It's your choice, and you'll get used to whatever you use.

[LuckyDay]

Yeah, it's all preference. Sanwa are much more sensitive. I like Seimitsu better overall, but honestly I think I can use either just the same.

[LuckyDay]

Oh, Seimitsu does have much more variety on colors and looks. So if you're going for designing a stick that's something to think about.

[Crhis]

Kind of the reverse of the situation with the sticks then, with Seimitsu being the more sensitive, or at least having the smaller deadzone.

I suppose in a shooter where you're tapping away it might be useful to have your fingers able to rest in place during quiet periods but as you say, it's hardly make or break.

[corbie]

I've tried both Sanwa and Seimitsu joysticks and buttons and for shmups I prefer the Seimitsu LS-32 stick and Sanwa 30mm buttons. The Seimitsu buttons were a little bit firm and clicky for my liking.

[PC Engine Fan X!]

I've tried both Sanwa and Seimitsu joysticks and buttons and for shmups I prefer the Seimitsu LS-32 stick and Sanwa 30mm buttons. The Seimitsu buttons were a little bit firm and clicky for my liking.

If the Seimitsu buttons have had a proper chance to be broken-in, they won't be so bad. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[kemical]

I've tried both Sanwa and Seimitsu joysticks and buttons and for shmups I prefer the Seimitsu LS-32 stick and Sanwa 30mm buttons. The Seimitsu buttons were a little bit firm and clicky for my liking.

If the Seimitsu buttons have had a proper chance to be broken-in, they won't be so bad. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

very true, and I'll say it again the PS-14-G are more aesthetically pleasing due to their larger diameter...(imo) it is why the Hori RAP EX-SE looks so great