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Ultimate fate of the Universe...

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When I was very young, I was told that one way or the other the entire Universe would one day come to an end.
Recently, I searched around the Internet and found some very interesting articles regarding this subject.

Apparently, there are many different theories (based on entropy the main force that’s wearing-off the universe) and multiple possible final endings of the universe depending on its overall shape and how much dark energy it contains.

The End of the Universe:
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101010625/story.html
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/end.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_f ... e_universe

Various interesting articles concerning the Universe:
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/search ... e+universe


By the way, it would be one hell of a cool story-line / plot, if someone wrote a script for a Shoot Em Up taking place during the final years of the universe! ;)
A very cool and interesting plot too, as all the great empires and immense star-fleets portrayed in the shmups story-lines & science-fiction films would perish!
The end of all!!
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I've only read Dr. Michio Kaku's work.
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if the rate at which the universe is expanding is actually increasing, and it's increasing is due to dark energy creating a repulsive sort of negative gravity, and the increase in size creates more dark energy, what happens when there is so much dark energy that the universe is trying to grow at a rate that is faster than the speed of light?

those big bang experiments that are set to take place in switzerland (?) scare the shit outta me :shock:
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jpj wrote: what happens when there is so much dark energy that the universe is trying to grow at a rate that is faster than the speed of light?
it warps the universe backwards in time until the gravity has the opisite effect and we basically rerun the creation of the world, I would guess. . . Kinda like in super man
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those big bang experiments that are set to take place in switzerland (?) scare the shit outta me
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Skykid wrote:This thread needs more avatar tits.
I was thinking of swapping back to one of the cats. . . I like cats. Not like that no!
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i thought we were having a serious conversation? :?
answer to my Q: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip

i get a feeling i'll be the last one to change back :lol:
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I did answer seriousley
Lordstar wrote:
jpj wrote: what happens when there is so much dark energy that the universe is trying to grow at a rate that is faster than the speed of light?
it warps the universe backwards in time until the gravity has the opisite effect and we basically rerun the creation of the world, I would guess.
yeah the super man mention at the end was a joke but once somehting is being pulled one way and it can be pulled anymore the only thing left to do is contract back to its original place/shape/form.
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I always thought that dark energy / dark matter were hypothetical and used to explain some universal phenomena recent observations and that no one is actually certain if they actually exist?
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yeah, i mean basically we can't really explain 90% of what makes up the universe

dark matter almost certainly exists, and holds stars together in large clusters. i think there have been experiments showing how light defracts through it

dark energy is basically hypothetical, as you say.

the other one being anti-matter. or specifically why there is so little of it in the universe when matter and anti-matter were created in near equal proportions during the big bang

thanks for the links by the way :) google video is great if you want to watch full-length cosmology lectures on the subject :)
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No matter how it ends god will just reload a save file and try to get a better ending.
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GrimoreLibrarian wrote:No matter how it ends god will just reload a save file and try to get a better ending.
rofl, maybe he's got a few save states too
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jpj wrote:yeah, i mean basically we can't really explain at the very least 99.9% of what makes up the universe
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Skykid wrote:This thread needs more avatar tits.
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spongdangly wrote:
GrimoreLibrarian wrote:No matter how it ends god will just reload a save file and try to get a better ending.
rofl, maybe he's got a few save states too
meh, you would think maybe he is going for the high score. Does he credit feed? or is he a 1cc kinda deity?
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I've always seen the concept of the "universe" ending as a bit misleading. Many years back, I took to heart the idea that our blob of matter, stars and galaxies is the known universe, which is surrounded by the unknown universe. There may or may not be anything outside the edges of our "blob of stuff", but it's expanding into something. And that something, is also part of the universe.

So while our stars and such may eventually cease to be, the universe will still be there... IMO of course.
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Lordstar wrote:
spongdangly wrote:
GrimoreLibrarian wrote:No matter how it ends god will just reload a save file and try to get a better ending.
rofl, maybe he's got a few save states too
meh, you would think maybe he is going for the high score. Does he credit feed? or is he a 1cc kinda deity?
:lol:
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Maybe he just uses gamefaqs ?! :lol:
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The only guy who can decide of the end of the universe is Chuck Norris...
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The Coop wrote:Many years back, I took to heart the idea that our blob of matter, stars and galaxies is the known universe, which is surrounded by the unknown universe. There may or may not be anything outside the edges of our "blob of stuff", but it's expanding into something. And that something, is also part of the universe.
I suspect this idea is not correct. I don't think it's possible to really comprehend the concept that there's nothing outside it... compare it with time and the big bang (i.e. nothing before t=0). Also, there are theories that the universe is toroidal (think Asteroids), which might make it easier...
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ReKleSS wrote:
The Coop wrote:Many years back, I took to heart the idea that our blob of matter, stars and galaxies is the known universe, which is surrounded by the unknown universe. There may or may not be anything outside the edges of our "blob of stuff", but it's expanding into something. And that something, is also part of the universe.
I suspect this idea is not correct. I don't think it's possible to really comprehend the concept that there's nothing outside it... compare it with time and the big bang (i.e. nothing before t=0). Also, there are theories that the universe is toroidal (think Asteroids), which might make it easier...
A few years ago, people thought the space between the stars was empty except for some dust or gas. Now we have dark matter theories flying about. I don't think it's that hard to comprehend that everything created by our Big Bang (assuming you believe in it in the first place) is expanding into something that we haven't discovered yet (or have we without knowing it?).

By nature, the Big Bang theory suggests that there was a time when all we've seen and discovered thus far wasn't here. Our present definition of time began at that moment, and our current concepts of matter did as well. And even within the confines of the Big Bang, there are speeds, temperatures and events so violent, that people may have a hard time comprehending them... yet they're handily accepted. Science can't explain just what happens inside a black hole, because all our current math and physics breaks down at the singularity (collapse of space-time geometry as some call it)... but we know an event does indeed happen. As such, it shouldn't be tough to envision that there's something outside of all our "stuff", which is being encroached upon. I simply can not accept that if you were to somehow reach the edge of everything expanding from our Big Bang, that you'd simply hit an impenetrable wall (for that lack of a better phrasing) that can not be moved past.

I know people like to say that nothing was here before the Big Bang, but something caused it. And whatever caused it was surrounded by something (and created by something for that matter). Whatever that something was, is quite possibly still residing outside of our known universe (which would be the "unknown universe" that I referred to before).


Again, these are just my thoughts on all this, even if I don't have the mathematics, physics, or in-depth science background to back it up.



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Some people just spend WAY too much time on the internets. :lol:
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Some of us were mild astronomy buffs, well before we owned a PC :P
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I'm rooting for Big Freeze.
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You and J-Manic should swap avatars then :lol:
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Aw, now that's just COLD. 8)
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JoshF wrote:Aw, now that's just COLD. 8)
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I love the way people come up with hypothesis and state it as fact with absolutely no facts to back it up.

Someone once told me the universe is trumpet shaped :lol: . I said did you run round the block to find that out?

Basically all you have to know is that the universe is beyond the brain calculations of any human. The body we own is a tool to explore the world we were born in, not those outside of our limitations.

We could learn more about the universe from a meteor rock that comes to us than we can by looking through time machine telescopes.

Oh, and the human race will be extinct before any of what the OP has stated will happen, so its obsolete information.
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JoshF wrote:Aw, now that's just COLD. 8)
I was just joshin' ya. Chill man, chill :)


neorichieb1971 wrote:I love the way people come up with hypothesis and state it as fact with absolutely no facts to back it up.
I said "IMO" and whatnot. STOP PICKING ON ME! :lol:

neorichieb1971 wrote:Oh, and the human race will be extinct before any of what the OP has stated will happen, so its obsolete information.
We'll still be here. 'HIJ' (heads in jars) technology is making leaps and bounds each year.
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