Can someone please clue me in on why Obama is f'n with Iran?

Never_Scurred · Post by **Never_Scurred** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:41 am

Please? Did Iran call him a nigger or something? Its not like i'm gonna vote for the man or anything but don't his supporters realize that he wants to take us into another middle eastern disaster? Or are they still under the impression that he can get us out of Iraq? Someone please explain this shit to me...

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:55 am

Never_Scurred wrote:Please? Did Iran call him a nigger or something? Its not like i'm gonna vote for the man or anything but don't his supporters realize that he wants to take us into another middle eastern disaster? Or are they still under the impression that he can get us out of Iraq? Someone please explain this shit to me...

You aren't going to vote for him??? Why the fuck not?

Not taking a hard line against Iran's nuclear program would be a bad move. He doesn't want to seem like he doesn't care about Israel, right?

Never_Scurred · Post by **Never_Scurred** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:06 am

professor ganson wrote:You aren't going to vote for him??? Why the fuck not?

Not taking a hard line against Iran's nuclear program would be a bad move. He needs the friends of Israel on his side; at any rate, he doesn't want to alienate them.

Which brings me to my next question. Why do we kiss Israels ass all the damned time? Real talk, i'm not the most learned on politics and shit-I take a "man on the street' approach meaning that I try not to sound like I know more than what I read in the papers and hear on the news. I listen and ask question. But why is it that everytime I watch the news and hear people talk about Israel, its always sounds like thier trying to buddy up to these folks. Again, what is so special about Israel that we need to ride their nuts so hard in the press?

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:18 am

I think many look at Israel as a shining example of democracy and modernization in the middle east. The attitudes toward women are much more reasonable than some of the hardcore Islamic views. Many Americans have personal/religious connections to Israel. The list goes on.

It's really complicated, though, and I'm not terribly informed on the subject. Btw, I think you're asking good questions, worth thinking through.

Stormwatch · Post by **Stormwatch** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:33 am

And of course, money.

gavin19 · Post by **gavin19** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:46 am

As far as Israel-US relations I found this edifying and aptly titled Israel-United States Relations Wiki page.

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:46 am

Okay first of all the correct term is nigga not nigger. Go watch Black in America on CNN for more information.

Second of all, Iran is just acting like an asshole as usual until we give it something. Obama has to know this too. The "OMG we're big stuff, we can destroy Israel" crap is just typical middle eastern macho bluster. That shit works on Bush, it shouldn't work on Obama.

BTW if we give all this money to Saudi Arabia, including tons of foreign aid, why can't we do the same for Israel? Saudi Arabia trains terrorists, treats their women like crap, and is one of the most religiously intolerant nations on Earth... Yet nobody gets shit on like Israel. Really is it the Jewish thing?

yojo! · Post by **yojo!** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:58 am

Jimmy Carter once said in a interview on the subject that taking a stand against Israel policies in the US is political suicide. The jewish lobby and the media will tear you a new one. Bush senior once voiced his concerned against Israeli settlements and felt the political backlash right away.

yojo! · Post by **yojo!** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:01 am

The n00b wrote:BTW if we give all this money to Saudi Arabia, including tons of foreign aid, why can't we do the same for Israel? Saudi Arabia trains terrorists, treats their women like crap, and is one of the most religiously intolerant nations on Earth... Yet nobody gets shit on like Israel. Really is it the Jewish thing?

We should just invade S.Arabia to spread democracy and get the oil (again) for good this time.

Alien Soldier · Post by **Alien Soldier** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:24 am

professor ganson wrote:a shining example of democracy and modernization

Todd, I'm not sure if it was a joke or something but the colonisation isn't and will never be a "shining example of democracy and modernization". During the last 50 years, Israel have stolen a huge part of the Palestinne, destroyed thousands of palestinians house and killed something like fifty thousand people to take their place. I'm pretty sure that palestinian womens don't give a fuck about the hardcore islamic views when their childrens, husbands, brothers or fathers are killed and their house destroyed. Sometimes, the bad people aren't the ones that everybody is pointing out you know. The Jewish people are trying to colonise the Palestine since 1880 and the sad thing is that the Shoah have helped them to do it. The creation of Israël is one of the biggest mistake that the UN have ever did.

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:39 am

Alien Soldier wrote:
professor ganson wrote:a shining example of democracy and modernization
Todd, I'm not sure if it was a joke or something but the colonisation isn't and will never be a "shining example of democracy and modernization". During the last 50 years, Israel have stolen a huge part of the Palestinne, destroyed thousands of palestinians house and killed something like fifty thousand people to take their place. I'm pretty sure that palestinian womens don't give a fuck about the hardcore islamic views when their childrens, husbands, brothers or fathers are killed and their house destroyed. Sometimes, the bad people aren't the ones that everybody is pointing out you know. The Jewish people are trying to colonise the Palestine since 1880 and the sad thing is that the Shoah have helped them to do it. The creation of Israël is one of the biggest mistake that the UN have ever did.

Attitudes like this are exactly why the conflict has never even come close to having a peaceful settlement. The Israelis have as much right to Israel as the Palestinians have to Palestine. Where exactly did you think the Jewish people came from? Did they just appear out of thin air from the depths of hell as ol Al Jazzeira would have you believe? Don't be an idiot. Same with the Palestinians.

Normally when two people just can't get along, they split the land in two and decide to go their separate ways. Sometimes a war results ala the American Civil War and differences are decided that way. The world will not let the Palestinians and Israelis have a true war to settle their crap therefore we make them hash their shit out like children who can't share. Each one wants the entire pie so they accuse the other of being the "bad guy."

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:51 am

Okay first of all the correct term is nigga not nigger.

Uh... I think he knows that.

Israel-US relations

B/c we have a lot of Jews in America, and they're rich.

yojo! · Post by **yojo!** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:21 am

The n00b wrote:The Israelis have as much right to Israel as the Palestinians have to Palestine.

Since when trying to re-write history give the jewish people the right to own the land where palestinians have benn living for 2000 years ?. I wonder how white americans would feel if one day native americans asked them to leave or put them in camps. This is exatly what happened to palestinians who one day had their lands taken away from them and were "relocalized" in refugee camps.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:23 am

Iran doesn't want a war. They want to talk big because USA won't attack.

The most powerful nations always get screwed when they fight wars on many fronts. Iran just wants to repeat history. As for Israel, thats a counter balance situation right there. Too much acid or alkaline and the whole thing is going to erupt. The war machine isn't a good proposition for economy building anymore.

Basically, the rule book needs to be re-written, because in the next ten years its going to be impossible for the USA to keep all its partners and enemies happy enough without losing some ground on its own. Thats when the real fireworks will start.

When that happens, the USA will only fight its way into a weaker position and see those unaffected leap over them in power and wealth. China will probably be the biggest benefactor.

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:33 am

Alien Soldier · Post by **Alien Soldier** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:00 am

The n00b wrote:
Attitudes like this are exactly why the conflict has never even come close to having a peaceful settlement. The Israelis have as much right to Israel as the Palestinians have to Palestine. Where exactly did you think the Jewish people came from? Did they just appear out of thin air from the depths of hell as ol Al Jazzeira would have you believe? Don't be an idiot. Same with the Palestinians.

Normally when two people just can't get along, they split the land in two and decide to go their separate ways. Sometimes a war results ala the American Civil War and differences are decided that way. The world will not let the Palestinians and Israelis have a true war to settle their crap therefore we make them hash their shit out like children who can't share. Each one wants the entire pie so they accuse the other of being the "bad guy."

Ok, I was starting to read and tried to understand this until I saw that hell and Al Jazzeira comments. Well, I'm not muslim but christian, but this is not the point. What you're saying right there is completly brain less. If I follow this rule, all christian people over the world have also the right to come to Palestine, kill arabic and jews to take their land because christianity was born in Palestine and a war result will let the differences decided, wow, just wow.

jp · Post by jp » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:51 am

Never_Scurred wrote:Please? Did Iran call him a nigger or something? Its not like i'm gonna vote for the man or anything but don't his supporters realize that he wants to take us into another middle eastern disaster? Or are they still under the impression that he can get us out of Iraq? Someone please explain this shit to me...

1. Because war is profitable for the media and various corporations. The media and various corporations run this country.

2. Because the media is run by jewish individuals, they like Israel, and therefore whoever wants to be the next president had better like Israel too.

Daedalus · Post by **Daedalus** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:10 am

Never_Scurred wrote:Which brings me to my next question. Why do we kiss Israels ass all the damned time?

Israel is our military base in the middle east. Even better than a military base, actually, because Israel will do things that we want but can not or will not do. However, I wouldn't exactly say we "kiss their ass." In the 6 day war, we were content to sit idly by while they fought.

During the last 50 years, Israel have stolen a huge part of the Palestinne, destroyed thousands of palestinians house and killed something like fifty thousand people to take their place. I'm pretty sure that palestinian womens don't give a fuck about the hardcore islamic views when their childrens, husbands, brothers or fathers are killed and their house destroyed.

Israel "stole" their land? You know, Jordan occupied the territory until they attacked Israel and got their asses kicked. Why don't you people ever complain about how Jordan stole the land? Or better yet, how the British stole the land? It's not like Israel usurped some great Palestinian state.

Since when trying to re-write history give the jewish people the right to own the land where palestinians have benn living for 2000 years ?. I wonder how white americans would feel if one day native americans asked them to leave or put them in camps.

It's completely different. If the indians took over, that would be like what the Palestinians want - an ethnically and religiously unified nation. America is a secular nation, and represents the interests of all people. Until the Palestinians figure out how to form a real government they're going to have a shithole place to live regardless of their official status as a nation.

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:30 am

Attitudes like this are exactly why the conflict has never even come close to having a peaceful settlement.

Capitulating attitudes like this are what every occupying power in history would hope for. Sure there is less blood when you put down the gun and get on your knees, but why should we honor these people more than the ones who will stand up and fight? For example, do we honor an ELAS soldier in Greece who fought Axis occupation more than the guy who went "eh, I don't want to make any waves"?

The Israelis have as much right to Israel as the Palestinians have to Palestine.

No logic here, flower child. If Palestinians had a right to Palestine (look at a pre-WW2 map some time) there wouldn't be such a thing as an Israeli. If you'd say something like "Jews have a right to live in their historic holy land" without the whole genocide, displacement and demolition thing then that's something I could agree with.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:55 am

I really can't understand why everyone supports Israel to such an extent. Of course, the reason for the support is clear: Jewish votes and Jewish money. But even considering these age old Anglo-Israeli and American-Israeli alliences, why is no-one going "oh fuck, they're killing people out there"?. This is a country who are committing genocide under the name of Zionism. An even scarier thing is the branding of Palestine as a nation of 'terrorists'. I read the other day that in the UK History GCSE, the Palestine Liberation Organisation will be operationaly defined as being 'terrorists' along with Al Qaeda et al. Start them young, and teach them who the 'baddies' are, yeah?

Of course, the biggest head scratcher is why in god's name a country that has had such well documented troubles on the receiving end of genocide seek to kill off an entire race in the most cruel and evil way possible, and still have the backing of the entire Western world...

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:55 am

Never_Scurred wrote:don't his supporters realize that he wants to take us into another middle eastern disaster?

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what he wants to do.

This time the cynics can't even draw on a mythical war profiteering (well, maybe or maybe not; bring out the post-Bush investigations) allegation because Obama doesn't have ties to people who would get money from such a venture.

JoshF: history started in 1947

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:29 pm

Obama doesn't have ties to people who would get money from such a venture.

wutz abouts david "one world" rockafeller's club?

MR_Soren · Post by **MR_Soren** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:01 pm

Never_Scurred wrote:Why do we kiss Israels ass all the damned time?

As others have said, they control the media, so you have to be Israel's friend if you want a positive public image.

They're also said to have bombed the base of the WTC after the planes hit, but the arrested bombing suspects were quietly sent back to Israel with no real investigation. There are some high-level ties somewhere, and Obama realizes he needs to build/maintain such ties.

antron · Post by **antron** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:38 pm

jp wrote: 2. Because the media is run by jewish individuals, they like Israel, and therefore whoever wants to be the next president had better like Israel too.

this may play a small part. Jewish voters in the swing state of Florida is probably much more.

another piece of the equation are evangelicals that believe that the formation of Israel must happen first in order for Jesus to come back with his army of the dead to kill them all. you remind me of the type of person who believes this shit.

another piece of the equation are intellectuals that like Israel because they are 0.6% of the earths population but have won 30% of the Nobel prizes in medicine.

as far as Obama, he is trying to win an election. deep down he probably knows that Israel has not helped the situation by building over 100 nuclear devices in secret.

antron · Post by **antron** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:41 pm

MR_Soren wrote:
Never_Scurred wrote:Why do we kiss Israels ass all the damned time?
As others have said, they control the media, so you have to be Israel's friend if you want a positive public image.

They're also said to have bombed the base of the WTC after the planes hit, but the arrested bombing suspects were quietly sent back to Israel with no real investigation. There are some high-level ties somewhere, and Obama realizes he needs to build/maintain such ties.

actually you, Mr Fox news viewer, control the media now.

you will beleave the wildest of theories, over the nefarious intensions obvious nuts like this:

hot nose!

MR_Soren · Post by **MR_Soren** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:24 pm

antron wrote:
MR_Soren wrote:
Never_Scurred wrote:Why do we kiss Israels ass all the damned time?
As others have said, they control the media, so you have to be Israel's friend if you want a positive public image.

They're also said to have bombed the base of the WTC after the planes hit, but the arrested bombing suspects were quietly sent back to Israel with no real investigation. There are some high-level ties somewhere, and Obama realizes he needs to build/maintain such ties.
actually you, Mr Fox news viewer, control the media now.

you will beleave the wildest of theories, over the nefarious intensions obvious nuts like this:
hot nose!

I don't think I control the media, and I've never watched fox news.

The story about the arrested Israelis was in several newspapers from the New York area. They were suspected of carrying explosives. They were sent back to Israel with little fanfare. Their involvement in the 9/11 attack is merely a theory, but this whole thread is about theories so it seemed fitting.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:57 pm

The saddest part of this thread is that the "jews control the media" sentiment is not being used ironically her

MOD EDIT: Deleted 10 pages of annoying nonsense. I know you're trying to make a point, but please do so without spamming the forum.

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:00 pm

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JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:24 pm

inb4thetwiddle

Ahs I'm tsuu late!

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:26 pm

Twiddle wrote:The saddest part of this thread is that the "jews control the media" sentiment is not being used ironically her <snip>

Well that was uncalled for.

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