POLL: PS2 Metal Gear Solids are actually a bit rubbish?

[Skykid]

With MGS4 landing next month, I'd just like this to go to a vote, I'm curious who thinks these really are great games?

Personally I think they both stink a bit for a number of reasons, and are no way near as good as they should be.

Remember, it's the PS2 version only you're voting for - not the MSX or PSX games, which were a bit special.

[Zebra Airforce]

I hated 2, but loved 3. Where's my option?

[Mortificator]

I had lots of fun with both of them. Dressing aside, you can really see the quality of the core game in the drama-free VR Missions and Snake vs. Monkey modes. The fact that the game mechanics stand up to the old old-school style of replaying and refining your score is a big point in their favor. But it's OK if you don't like them.

[ForceDevice]

I loved 2, and 3 was ok, so I voted for the first option only for 2. I do agree with the last one, though - not on the story part, but if it was just about gameplay they would be utterly destroyed by reviewers if they weren't MGS games.

[it290]

Yeah, the VR missions are cool.. I would like the games a lot more if they would limit the interruptions to once every 10 minutes or so at a minimum. As it stands, I just don't feel like I'm getting any gameplay in. 3 is definitely better in this regard, but since Kojima is regarded as a master storyteller, you'd think he could figure out a way to tell the story as effectively without all the nonsense.

[JoshF]

That's hard to do when the plots are just an amalgam of plot pieces from brain dead action movies, for the most part.

[kengou]

I'm actually getting the Essential Collection soon so I'll know when I try them. MGS on the PSX was really good, though. As weird as it is to say, the gameplay itself wasn't anything special, although it was solid; the best part was the way the story was told. The cinematography, as it were. I enjoyed the cutscenes almost more than the actual gameplay. This is saying something since I'm usually all about gameplay over story or graphics or whatever.

[Turrican]

I think they're masterpieces.

[Phil12]

I loved them

[Limbrooke]

Not enough choices in the poll = sucks.

MGS2 was a great 'game'. Say all you'd like about the plot/story(even though it never bothered me), it was a technically superb game and that is all that really matters. Shit, if story counted so much I think plenty of shooters wouldn't make the cut. Also, see '9 minutes of Magic'.

MGS3 initially missed the mark, but built on many improvements from MGS2 although it was a far different game. I have yet to try the Subsistence improved camera, although I would still say it's a good game anyway.

I've worked on these games extensively and would be interested to discuss any flaws outside the plot/story anywhere, anytime.

[UnscathedFlyingObject]

I've worked on these games extensively and would be interested to discuss any flaws outside the plot/story anywhere, anytime.

How about stupidly long cutscenes and constant interruption of gameplay?

I like them except for those two "problems."

[Ruldra]

I only played Snake Eater. While it's not a masterpiece, it's definitely not 'average'. The game is amazing and I was hooked until the end. Anyone with a PS2 should give it a try.

[jpj]

twin snakes is da bomb

[The n00b]

I think every single MGS game past MGS 1 is complete and utter trash. They are essentially Splinter Cell games without the gameplay and with tons of cutscenes added that relate a disjointed utterly nonsensical story that fans explain away by exclaiming "LOL it's japanese!"

Well Treasure does the same weirdness with their games and they are actually fun to play.

[kozo]

MGS1 > MGS2 > MGS3

[ForceDevice]

You guys actually play games for gameplay?

lol, what the fuck.




While I DO play most games for story alone, I should emphasize that the above comment is NOT supposed to be taken seriously.

[JoshF]

I gameplay play game gameplay for gameplay.

[Ed Oscuro]

That's hard to do when the plots are just an amalgam of plot pieces from brain dead action movies, for the most part.

JoshF for the refreshment*

I only watched MGS2 being played on the Xbox, so no vote from me.

I do have a copy of MGS3 though.

*Perhaps "win" works better there after all.

[Limbrooke]

How about stupidly long cutscenes and constant interruption of gameplay?

I like them except for those two "problems."

Good thing 95% of them can be skipped(for MGS2 anyway). Same for codec transmissions: triangle is your friend. The one that really bothers me is the end credits... no skip, that has to be my biggest gripe. The end credits is the longest of them all and cannot be skipped.

Stupidly long... again, if you skip them they seem to fly by. It's no Xenosaga, what a bore that series is.

They are essentially Splinter Cell games without the gameplay...

Phew, I needed a laugh today. Thanks!

[Zebra Airforce]

triangle is your friend

Exactly! I've beaten MGS3 five or six times and still haven't watched the intro

[Specineff]

Three was like a refreshing taste of orange juice, compared to the dry, boring MGS2.

[UnscathedFlyingObject]

How about stupidly long cutscenes and constant interruption of gameplay?

I like them except for those two "problems."

Good thing 95% of them can be skipped(for MGS2 anyway). Same for codec transmissions: triangle is your friend. The one that really bothers me is the end credits... no skip, that has to be my biggest gripe. The end credits is the longest of them all and cannot be skipped.

Wells, you know, you miss on the story when you skip the cinemas. They seem to have a problem with keeping them to the point, which is my gripe.

[gundamalpha]

I like the story, but the gameplay mechanics have gone worse on every new installment. In the first MGS, you could really tell your main objective was stealth through all the places, but now it's just a mini "Dynasty Warriors" gameplay added with "Matrix" effects.. Don't think I'll ever give MGS4 a chance unless I happen to buy a PS3, which I also doubt I would.

I don't even think Kojima is the person he used to be.. Give me new Snatcher or translate Policenauts and I'd be happier with 100 new Metal Gears.

[Zebra Airforce]

In the first MGS, you could really tell your main objective was stealth through all the places, but now it's just a mini "Dynasty Warriors" gameplay added with "Matrix" effects...

what?

Give me new Snatcher or translate Policenauts and I'd be happier with 100 new Metal Gears

Oh, I get it, you were trying to watch a movie but accidentally picked up a game instead.

[Ceph]

PS2 Metal Gear Solids are actually a bit rubbish?

How can something be a bit rubbish? Sounds like "a bit empty", or "a bit pregnant"...

On topic: While I'm not a fan of the series, I can't but notice that the games sold in the millions. If people had thought they were bad, the games probably wouldn't have sold as good. I suppose that answers your question.

PS.
Don't you think there should be an option between
"I think they're masterpieces." and
"They're pretty average games, nothing special." ?

As such, the poll fails.

[mr_m0nks]

MGS on the ps1 was the first game i completed in my second age of gaming (im onto my third now) and i bought mgs2 the day it came out, completed that in a little over a week and despite all the problems (loooong cut scenes, dreary moralistic storyline, raidens hair etc) i did enjoy it.

when mgs3 came out i wasnt into my gaming much but i picked it up about a year later, i sat through the whole intro and early tutorials but a soon as the game properly started i got lost for about half an hour and then shot! ( i dont think i fully understood the hide mechanic!)

i havnt picked it up since.


i must say though one of my most memorable gaming moments is when i first played mgs2 and noticed when you are on the ship and you open one of the outer doors, the way your hair would be blown back by the wind.

that kind of attention to detail impressed me.

[MX7]

I started playing MGS3 yesterday. It's quite tough, in a satisfying way, which I appreciate. Took me two and a half hours to reach the opening credits, lol. Having fun so far.

[nimitz]

The Metal Gear Solid games are one of the few real example of a great game developer (Konami) being able to make the switch from older style 2d games to a fully 3d environment with 3d "gameplay" while keeping great mechanics and a fun, challenging game.

Sure theres A LOT of cutscene and the story itself (of all three games) isn't THAT GREAT. but I feel it adds nicely and isn't overly boring.

The MSG games are actually pretty much the only "mainstream" games I really enjoyed on the PS2.

[Shatterhand]

I am a big fan since MSX times. So yes, I voted for the masterpiece option.

[Mortificator]

Zanzibar hamsters for life, bro.

I started playing MGS3 yesterday. It's quite tough, in a satisfying way, which I appreciate. Took me two and a half hours to reach the opening credits, lol. Having fun so far.

Virtuous Mission kicked my ass at first, too. This ain't Outer Heaven no more!

Getting the shit kicked out of him can make Snake tougher in the long run, though. Assuming you survive.